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Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:34 pm

With a superior J and F product on their 77W, this may be a threat to UA, especially without a connection on the west coast.

Also great for routing award tickets!

schedule from airlineroute:

eff 02JUL13 NEW 4 weekly Boeing 777-300ER service
CA995 PEK1500 – 1540IAH 77W x135
CA996 IAH0130 – 0500+1PEK 77W x246
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:52 pm

The plane will stay 10 hours on the tarmac in IAH. Can't CA use a better slot (evening departure) from PEK or are they trying to feed UA's early evening bank of flights?
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
With a superior J and F product on their 77W, this may be a threat to UA

I have flown CA in J on their 77W and UA is better. The CA seats are narrow, especially the little ottoman where you put your feet. Service is also hit or miss. UA has older flight attndants but at least they have personality.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:02 pm

Air China is a Star Alliance member. IAH offers a good local market (oil and gas) and a nice array of connections.

China's largest oil companies - CNOOC, Sinopec and PetroChina - are all headquartered in Beijing. They probably have some dealings in Houston.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:05 pm

It will be interesting to see how this will affect TK's plans for the planned 4 x weekly IST-IAH, starting April. TK must have relied on connecting pax to China to some extent?
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):

It will be interesting to see how this will affect TK's plans for the planned 4 x weekly IST-IAH, starting April. TK must have relied on connecting pax to China to some extent?

Nah, completely different markets. CA is going to focus on IAH-China which by itself will fill about 110-120 seats a day. Connections shouldnt be hard to fill the rest of the plane. This flight will no doubt capture some traffic from DFW, ATL, and Florida which will help.

TK is going to be competing with QR and EK moreso.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:14 pm

Everybody is trying to get into IAH......
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:17 pm

Called it...   Glad to see more tails in the lineup at Terminal D!
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:18 pm

I know that not all international carriers are created equal and, of course, there are exceptions. After my experience with SQ, there is no way, unless forced, I will fly on a US carrier overseas.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting rojo (Reply 1):
The plane will stay 10 hours on the tarmac in IAH.

If there's enough time to squeeze a tag-on to Star Alliance CM PTY hub that could be quite good.
But grant that the US visa requirement may deter some passengers from flying CA via IAH.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Called it...   Glad to see more tails in the lineup at Terminal D!

Arriving in mid afternoon, D is going to start to look awfully crowded. Lord help us at an already backed up FIS facility there......
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
tag-on to Star Alliance CM PTY hub

I think UA wouldn't be too excited on that one, unless CA doesn't get 5th freedom rights.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 10):
Arriving in mid afternoon, D is going to start to look awfully crowded. Lord help us at an already backed up FIS facility there......

Amen brother! D really needs that expansion/renovation. And once, or if, the new FIS in B opens, I'm sure that'll take a huge load off the current FIS. I guess if it gets too crowded, they could open up the FIS facilities in D.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
Everybody is trying to get into IAH......

Everyone except UA. Maybe they cut 10% and laid off 1000+ people so other carriers could eat their lunch more easily?  
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:09 am

UA is getting into IAH too, the upped capacity on IAH-LHR.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:11 am

I typed this post on the "New Carrier at IAH Imminent" thread back in September:


"It wouldnt surprise me. IAH can use one more Asian destination, but they need to do it right. IAH-China is a very large market and a plane could easily be filled between IAH and PEK. I dont think IAH can support more than one more Far East destination based on O&D data, but an IAH-China flight would be great!

OZ could use the connections I suppose, but IAH-ICN is very small. "

and I typed these posts on the Future of IAH thread weeks ago:

"Im not sure I do. I have always maintained that an IAH-China route would be more valuble because the market is much larger than IAH-Korea.

It all depends on the connections they are shooting for. IAH-China could 3/4 of a 787 by itself and now that you dont need a visa to transit in PEK and the CA/UA partnership, it would be perfect."

"Based on the flight data, IAH can support one more Asian destination (in addition to Tokyo and Singapore) but not more than that in the near future.

In Texas, Seoul and Korea have much greater ties to the Dallas/Fort Worth area as well as North Texas than they do to Houston and South Texas. Heck, Austin-Seoul is not much smaller a local market than Houston-Seoul. However, China is very much the opposite. In Texas, Chinese ties are centered in the Houston area. The O&D is greater and the yields are similar.

I feel strongly that IAH-China would be better. I know Tdan and I may not see eye to eye on this one, but he makes a good arguement too. Its just a matter of what UA, CA, or OZ decide. Dont forget that if an airline decided to fly IAH-ICN, they have to compete with KE and AA both daily on DFW-ICN. If they decide on IAH-PEK, you get a larger market and no competition in this region."

I have always maintained that IAH would see another destination in Asia, but that it would not be ICN. I have always said that IAH could not really support a flight to ICN because of the lack of O&D. Korea-Texas is overwhelmingly DFW. However China-Texas is overwhelmingly IAH. That is why I have always said that the remaining hole to be filled on IAH-Asia needs to be China and PEK is the natural choice.

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Called it...  

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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:34 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Amen brother! D really needs that expansion/renovation. And once, or if, the new FIS in B opens, I'm sure that'll take a huge load off the current FIS. I guess if it gets too crowded, they could open up the FIS facilities in D.

Have you gone through US-CBP at IAH? Terminal D needs more gate, but all international arrivals are processed at the IAB and shared by D and E. D no longer has its large processing area because of the expanded check-in counters for LH, SQ, EK, and QR as well as the expanded security area. The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies and not any foreign carriers. If the lines on the D-side of immigration is too long and the E-side is rather short, the staff have been known to direct passengers to either side or vice versa.

Yes CA would arrive at the start of the busy international arrivals period, but then it seems the plane would get towed to hardstand until its time for flight to depart, which will be the time that it will be the last flight/first flight at that time of the night.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
I typed this post on the "New Carrier at IAH Imminent" thread back in September:

Just out of curiosity, what value is given for IAH-TPE? I think you gave it the last time but I just don't remember it.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):
The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies

Which is the vast majority of intl. flights into IAH. That would take a sizable load off the IAB at D/E. And I agree D needs more gates. It should've been expanded a long time ago.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:35 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):

I have to respectfully disagree.

the CA product hard and soft, blows away united even in global first.
The united FAs are horrible, especially on the 747s and eve the AVOD is outdated and clunky.

The 77W on the other hand, is new and the FAs attentive and professional.
The CA staff go above and beyond what is required, and UA staff barely does the minimum if that much.

Add to that the CA first product option that is among the best in the world, and at a price just a pinch above business, AND with WIDE OPEN Award redemption to star alliance carriers, and CA will be a great benefit to Star for the IAH route.

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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:54 pm

Quoting Steph3n (Reply 17):

I will still say UA J is better. I am *G with CA and was doing the PEK -SHA flight once a week for a year. I refuse to fly CA international as I had nothing but an impersonal experience.

But this is my opinion just as yours.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):

Have you gone through US-CBP at IAH? Terminal D needs more gate, but all international arrivals are processed at the IAB and shared by D and E. D no longer has its large processing area because of the expanded check-in counters for LH, SQ, EK, and QR as well as the expanded security area. The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies and not any foreign carriers. If the lines on the D-side of immigration is too long and the E-side is rather short, the staff have been known to direct passengers to either side or vice versa.

More times than you can imagine....usually coming in from BZE i get in behind the mid afternoon transatlantic arrivals....I spent 2 hours in line there last thursday....only places worse are LAX and MIA (well not any more at MIA). If I can I usually try to get to IAH on a later flight that gets there around 7 when the hall is usually empty

I have never seen the staff redirect arriving pax....but not saying they don't
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:23 pm

Was this the "True Asian airline with the national flag prominently displayed on its tail" that Houston mayor was talking about? maybe he saw a pic of their predecessor CAAC.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:00 pm

Wait... I thought the expansion of HOU was going to drive away new international carriers.         
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:12 pm

Nice! I had this in my Wish List topic over in the Travel, Polls & Preferences forum back in May 2011!

"CA
PEK-IAH (77W, 4-5 weekly)"

Several other wishes have been fulfilled recently as well, either directly (as called) or indirectly. I hope this continues!  
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:18 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 21):

It was not. UA was just arguing.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Was this the "True Asian airline with the national flag prominently displayed on its tail" that Houston mayor was talking about? maybe he saw a pic of their predecessor CAAC.

They still have a flag...but not on the tail.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 21):
Wait... I thought the expansion of HOU was going to drive away new international carriers.

It will go down as one of the most phenomenal self-defeating misteps in recent airline history

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 13):
UA is getting into IAH too, the upped capacity on IAH-LHR.

LHR capacity is pretty flat going from 2 2-class 777s to 3 3-class 763s.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):
It will go down as one of the most phenomenal self-defeating misteps in recent airline history

Absolutely. I think UA really shot themselves in the foot on this one.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):
LHR capacity is pretty flat going from 2 2-class 777s to 3 3-class 763s.

Not exactly...those are 2-class 763s.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 26):

Agreed, I think they will try to patch things up. I wonder what other carriers could follow Air China.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:29 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 26):
Not exactly...those are 2-class 763s.

They're selling as 3 class on UA.com as far as I can tell
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:38 pm

Nah, they are 2 class. And they are refurbished with new screens, seats and bins. And they will look like brand new jets to the passengers, from the outside and inside.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
They're selling as 3 class on UA.com as far as I can tell

Hmm...the original plan was for 2-class birds with BFirst...perhaps those plans have changed.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:04 pm

All 763s are being converted to 2 class.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:11 pm

But I wonder if Air China could be up gauging their flight to daily in the near future. I think the flight will do well.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 31):
All 763s are being converted to 2 class.


Not the three cabin 763s

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 32):
But I wonder if Air China could be up gauging their flight to daily in the near future. I think the flight will do well.


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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:20 pm

But they will be 2 class, if they have changed it the changes would have been reported.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:32 pm

No it started as all two class, and now it's selling as all three class
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:35 pm

But they added a third capacity, and the planes are being refurbished.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:39 pm

They are 3 class indeed, but they have Global First, business first and economy plus! They will have new bins and video screens.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 36):

But they added a third capacity, and the planes are being refurbished.

Yes its a third frequency - but if they end up being 3-Class birds as it looks like it is now then you are looking at a net loss of 3 seats. 3 3 class 763s = 549 seats vs. the 552 seats on 2 Bfirst 772s. However, this may further improve profit margins and allow them to compete more effectively with BA which has 744 and 77W on the route.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 34):
But they will be 2 class, if they have changed it the changes would have been reported.

It would not necessarily be reported. And as Maverick said the 3-class 763s will remain as such for now.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):

I don't think there is value to IAH-TPE. The local market is small and actually smaller than DF

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity, what value is given for IAH-TPE? I think you gave it the last time but I just don't remember it.

I cant see IAH-TPE being started. Its not a large market (in fact its smaller than DFW-TPE) and given the IAH-Asia market, with the addition of IAH-PEK, there is no need for any further Asia expansion right now.

-You have IAH-NRT to feed non-China beyond destinations from NRT.
-You have IAH-PEK to serve IAH-China
-You have IAH-SIN for the deep southeast Asia markets.

IAH-Asia is now covered.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:34 am

Is there a source confirming this new service? I can't seem to find any press releases. Thanks.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:42 am

Don't forget IAH- IST , IAH - DXB , and, IAH - DOH.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:13 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 39):
I cant see IAH-TPE being started.

It'a been done before so it wouldn't surprise me to see it make a comeback. I also see HKG as likely as TPE in the future, but my view is a one-or-the-other deal. Still waiting to see if AKL gets re-announced, though.   
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:52 am

Be nice to hear if Air New Zeland operates the Auckland flight rather than UA.
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 43):
Be nice to hear if Air New Zeland operates the Auckland flight rather than UA.

I agree. I would love to see NZ at IAH!
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:21 am

I wonder where Air China Check in desk would be in Terminal D and if they are going to share the lounge that Emirates, Qatar, Singapore, and, Lufthansa uses? I also wonder where they will open up there booking office in Houston?
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:42 am

So, is MIA-NRT the next American South-Asia route? Cue discussion 3...2...1...
 
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:38 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 42):

It's going to be neither. Neither IAH-HKG/TPE are substantial markets and in fact DFW-HKG/TPE are larger. IAH-HKG is especially out of the question. When CI flew to IAH, it was a completely different time and the flight stopped in SEA before continuing to TPE. At the time, IAH did not have SQ to serve Southeast Asia and now with CA coming to IAH, the market is covered.

Don't look for anymore IAH-Asia expansion for some time. With NRT, PEK, and SIN and the connections they offer, the market is now covered.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
No it started as all two class, and now it's selling as all three class

Your right, very interesting. It was as mentioned supposed to be three newly reconfigured two class 763s. I wonder where those aircraft are going instead, and where these 3 3 class 763s are coming from. I also notice IAH-GRU going to a 3 class 763. And IAH-AMS is going to a two class 777, shows how well that route does for them despite the loss of KLM as a partner.
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RE: Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!

Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting iahredhead (Reply 44):
I agree. I would love to see NZ at IAH!

I second that! Fingers crossed.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 46):
is MIA-NRT the next American South-Asia route?

South-Asia? I do not understand what South-Asia has to do with a potential MIA-NRT.
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