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Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sat Oct 21, 2000 9:18 am

At Aeroflot's American website http://www.Aeroflot.com/search/aircraft.html, the airline lists its fleet as A310, 777, 767, TU134, TU154, and IL62, IL86, and IL96.

I was certain that Aeroflot had also been a substantial 73G and 738 operator? Also, with the 777 and 767 flying to N. America and the 310 flying to central Asia, what roles do the IL86 and IL96 play?
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sat Oct 21, 2000 2:44 pm

I went on an il86 to sweeden and i think that they are mainly used in european flights. The 96 is used for US or canadian flights
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Ivo
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sat Oct 21, 2000 4:17 pm

from JP airlinerfleets:

TU 134 (12), 737-400 (10), TU 154 (28),
A310-300 (11), IL62 (17), 767-300 (4),
IL76 (12), IL86 (16), IL96 (8+24 on order),
777-200 (2).

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Silverstreak
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sat Oct 21, 2000 7:42 pm

Does the Il-96 still serve North America? I never see the 96 anymore, only the 767s seem to come to San Francisco. I miss seeing the 96s, they are interesting airliners (though I've heard they have troublesome engines).
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 1:51 am

The IL96 does not serve any point in Canada or the US, those routes are A310 and 767. I don;t know aobut the flights to Havana, they may be using the 96 on that route.
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 3:42 am

From where does Aeroflot serve Havana? Most of the Havana services transferred to Miami several years ago.

Havana could not be served from Russia by an IL96 without a stop in one of Shannon, Gander, Madrid or the Azores, as the great circle route is 5972 nautical miles against the prevailing winds on the westbound leg.

BTW, when the IL96 served Sea-Tac, which routing did it take? The shortest route is the great circle route over Finland, Norway, Greenland and Canada at 5236nm but I suspect the flight was across Siberia, so where was the stop?
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 4:06 am

At one time Havana was served through Shannon. I'm not sure if that's the case at the moment.
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 4:33 am

Slawko, doesn't Aeroflot use one of their 2 777s for US and Canada service?

Aeroflot has routes between MIA and HAV? I can't believe that.
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 5:26 am

Havana is not served via SNN, the only route through SNN is Moscow and St Petersburg - Chicago. The 767 comes from St Petersburg and is met by, normally, a TU134 from Moscow, which also serves Dublin.

TWAneedsNohelp,

Where do you get the idea from that SU fly to Havana via Miami? Certainly not from my question or statement about the transfer of routes.

As to the B777s, they were certainly flying across the North Atlantic this summer as I heard them many times on HF.

 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 6:20 am

"Hey Phil relax, this phrase:

"Most of the Havana services transferred to Miami several years ago."

confused me a little. I thought that it implied HAV services now went through MIA.

I understand now that HAV was completely dropped. Ok man?

 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 7:32 am

Sorry guys, perhaps I should have phrased that all flights transitting Havana to South and Central America .

As far as Havana is concerned, I would be surprised if it has been completely dropped but can't place the routing.

The Russian Air Force fly irregularly to Cuba through Shannon and Gander using AN124s loaded with trucks for the Cuban police and army. There have been a couple of flights this year but I know of one that was cancelled when the Cubans defaulted on payment for the previous delivery!
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 11:33 am

As far as I know, Havana has not been dropped by Aeroflot. They used to fly SU 334 from MEX-HAV-SNN-SVO (A310 or 767) on wednesdays. A friend of mine did that flight last february. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 2:44 pm

The schedules section at www.aeroflot.ru says that they are still flying:
SU336 Lima-Havana-Moscow with a IL96-300 once a week; and
SU334 Mexico City-Havana-Shannon-Moscow also with IL96-300 once a week.
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 7:53 pm

Rojo,

Living close to SNN, monitoring HF on the North Atlantic net and visiting SNN regularly, I can assure you that SU is not flying any IL96 through SNN, the A310 service which did a round robin to South America via Miami has been dropped and the 767 Chicago service is all that is left of a once large Aeroflot presence at SNN, and, as I stated earlier, it is augmented by the TU134 service t/f Moscow.

There is a reference in the Shannon timetable to an eastbound service to Moscow from Washington, but that rarely appears.

The Aeroflot timetable pages on the web date from 1997/8 and show a much more extensive operation through SNN - I wish it was still in place.

So the Havana mystery remains. The following appeared on 12 November 1999 but gives no real detail:

AEROFLOT AND CUBANA DE AVICION BEGIN JOINT FLIGHTS

HAVANA, 9 Nov. (Prime-TASS) - On 5 November in Havana, Aeroflot-Russian International Airlines and Cubana de Avicion C.A., Cuba, signed a cooperation agreement on operating regular joint flights on the routes Moscow-Havana-Moscow and Havana-Lima-Havana. The flights will use Aeroflot's aircraft.

According to Aeroflot general director Valery Okulov, the agreement will provide the opportunity to operate the joint flights more efficiently, to increase traffic volume, and to improve the quality of service.

"Our joint Moscow-Havana flight will bring passengers to the Cuban capital, and from there Cubana airlines will carry them to popular Latin American resorts," said Mr. Okulov. "Aeroflot offers services to our potential passengers from Latin America for flights not only to Moscow, but also further: to the countries of South Eastern Asia, Japan, China as well as Eastern Europe."
Source: Independent Media

Does anyone know what the current reality is?


 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 9:41 pm

Guys, here is some info from the latest Aeroflot timetable:
Flight SU341: SVO-SNN-MIA-MEX (operated on wednesdays and fridays with A310s)

SU 335: SVO-Havana(couldnt find the three-letter code)-LIM (operated sundays using IL96s)
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 9:49 pm

Dexter,

What date is on that timetable pls? The Miami flight DOES NOT come through Shannon any more. If you dont believe me go to the Shannon Airport page on the Web via any search engine and look for yourself.
Having spent an hour today looking at various Aeroflot timetables, they all date between 1997 and 1999. The Miami via Shannon stopped in July 2000

As for the IL96 flight, unless the aircraft is lightly loaded it should be around 400 miles short on range for Moscow - Havana direct. I doubt they get anything like the 300 pax capacity, or carry too much in the hold as the Cubans have now to pay in hard currency for Russian and CIS goods and aren't buying too much, so the aircraft may make the trip direct. Does anyone KNOW?

 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 10:03 pm

The timetable is valid 26/03/2000 thru 28/10/2000
I don't know if the information in it is correct, even though it should be. They can also change the schedule anytime.

It clearly says though that they fly Moscow-Havana nonstop with IL96s
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Sun Oct 22, 2000 11:01 pm

Hi Dexter,

I've contacted a friend who is a ATC watch supervisor at SNN and knows the Aeroflot guys better than I.

He tells me that the SNN stop was dropped as, although SU had fifth freedom rights to Miami (a neighbour used the trip about four years ago) the SNN loads were very light and the aircraft didn't need the stop.

He will try to get details of the Moscow - Havana situation when he next sees the guys, which may be Wednesday.

Looking back through the HF logs for the summer produced by myself and a number of guys either side of the Atlantic, which between us give almost 24/7 coverage, I can't find any Aeroflot flights without SELCAL on the North Atlantic (Shannon/Gander) NATS Nets. All western built Aeroflot aircraft have SELCAL, IL96s do not.

Basically, this means that all flights heard were operated by A310/B767/B777. I do have a couple of IL96 Moscow Havana rotations but these were with the government aircraft early in the year and in 1999 and both times the aircraft stopped at SNN westbound and went eastbound direct.

I fully believe that Havana is still served but my guess is that the flight goes via Madrid or Lisbon where they may not have fifth freedom rights, so may not mention the tech stop in their timetable. As we rarely monitor Santa Maria and New York HF, the flights would not show on our logs. The route that way is a total of 6777 nm, so a stop would be needed unless very lightly loaded and on a day with little wind at cruise level
 
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Why Guess?

Mon Oct 23, 2000 12:31 am

If you want to find out exactly what's happening, you can do a 'availability' search on www.amadeus.net It will show you details according to the latest published schedule, even last-minute equipment changes.

Go to the 'Travel Website', then 'Availability'.

It displays aircraft type and number of stops.

Yes as far as I've seen, SU operates SVO-HAV nonstop three or four times per week with an IL9. One of them goes on to Lima under a CU flight number. Others may continue to other South American cities.

Aeroflot have been increasing their IL9 operations in the last month. Loads more SE Asian and India/Pakistan flights are now with the Il-96. Got a lot in a LHR this summer too! Good news!
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Mon Oct 23, 2000 12:48 am

SU/CU333 is shown as a nonstop codeshare using IL96, so which way does it go as the flight time is given as 13 hours 10 minutes and we just don't here that flight these days on HF on the Shanwick- Gander net?

Has the IL96 got that range, or is a tech stop in the Iberian peninsular not shown on Amadeus?

This one is really bugging me, but thanks to everyone who has helped so far.
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:37 am

In addition to its current fleet, Aeroflot Russian Airlines is planning purchases of 4 more 767-300ERs and has 17 Ilyushin IL96Ms on order. I thought Aeroflot's current 767 fleet was made up of six total aircraft - or were the EI-registered planes returned to their lessors?

I have not heard of any plans for Aeroflot to acquire 737NGs; if anything, I think they will order TU204s, now that the 737 Classic series is out of production. They may need to supplement the 10 737-400s eventually, but they may be able to acquire a substantial number second-hand if they want them.

The Aeroflot website is very out of date and can't really be relied upon for fleet numbers. I don't think the TU134 is used much on routes to Europe nowadays, at least I hope it isn't. For surely, this is the least desireable of all Aeroflot planes, unless you count YAK40 and YAK42, which don't fly international routes.

The oddest thing about Aeroflot is the unpredictability of aircraft types on its routes. I know that SVO-LHR is served by A310s, IL86s, IL96-300s, 777s and TU154Ms. I'm not certain, but I think the variation in aircraft is due to higher and lower demand. Most other flights from SVO to Europe are flown by smaller-capacity aircraft. This was the reason behind Aeroflot's purchase of the 10 737-400s - to provide quality flights aboard Western aircraft to many European destinations.

PhilB, from what I know of the IL96-300, it doesn't have the range to do SVO-HAV non-stop. It can only fly 4500 or so nm on its current pax and fuel capacity. Although with a light load of pax and cargo, who knows, the range may be increased. I don't know if even a 763 can make that flight non-stop.

As of last summer, Aeroflot's ORD-SVO 763 flight wasn't making a stop in Shannon; I took that flight at the end of May. As well, there was no stop on the return leg. There is no ORD-LED flight that I am aware of, unless the ORD-SVO flight sometimes stops over at LED. This was not the case last summer; it was direct ORD-SVO and SVO-ORD. However, Aeroflot operates certain flights into and out of LED which continue on to other destinations - LAX-LED-SVO, SFO-LED-SVO, JFK-LED-SVO. The aircraft I flew on LED-SVO last summer was the 763 having just arrived from SFO, as a matter of fact; Aeroflot uses it on the domestic route for convenience. The IL86 and IL62 were the only aircraft requiring fueling stops at Shannon. With the introduction of newer, longer-range aircraft into service, Aeroflot has virtually eliminated both its Shannon and Gander stop-overs.

Concerning SEA-SVO, I don't believe there was a stop en route with the IL96-300. The aircraft is fully capable of making SVO-LAX, SVO-SFO and SVO-SEA non-stop - I know several people who have taken those flights. I flew SFO-ANC-SVO in 1993; the IL62 flew from SFO up the West Coast and over Canada and across to ANC, made a fueling stop, then over Nome and up towards Russia, arcing across the big landmass and down to SVO. The flight took about 12 hours, broken into 5 and 7 hour stretches. I was shown the route by one of the cabin attendants, who came around with a map. I am not certain Aeroflot uses this routing currently, because surely non-stop flights from the US West Coast to SVO are more easily flown across the continental US then over the North Atlantic.
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:07 am

Aeroflot use the TU 134 to Dublin.

Aeroflot will introduce a daily flight to Geneva Switzerland this winter. In previous years they used IL 86s several times weekly!

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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:30 am

Aeroflot hasn't had the 777s scheduled to North America since the end of October last year. They fly them to LHR, BKK and PEK. Yes, the EI registrered 763s were returned to GECAS and now flies for TWA. The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:07 am

That sounds correct. How many of those Irish registered 763ERs did Aeroflot have that are now with TW, and also why does GECAS have EI- registered ships?
 
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Aeroflot's Irish-regged 763s

Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:15 am

There were two of them, registered EI-CKD and EI-CKE. I don't know why GECAS has them, though.

I have another question - are all of Aeroflot's 763s new from the factory as with their 772s and 734s, or were they formerly leased to other airlines?
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:54 am

They are all new from the factory and leased from GECAS leasing company just like the EI ones. TW has both ex EI-CKD -CKE. The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 9:31 am

Well, Aeroflot has a lot of direct flights to many destinations in the world, like Bangkok, for which they use IL-96-300. As for the fleet - All planes mentioned above, plus An-24/26/28/30/32, 72/74, An-124 and An-12, also, they use L-410 and An-2. Let me know if I missed anything. By the way, what happened to An-225 - last time I heard it was just standing in Kiev.
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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 10:36 am

The 777 only flies to Singapore and Beijong, sometimes Hong Kong.

The 767 flies to Chicago, NYC, Washington, Yerevan

A310 flies to Hong Kong, Washington, Miami.

777s are not used to the USA any more.

IL-96 flies to LAX SFO SEA
IL-62 flies to SFO SEA ANC

IL-86 is mainly euro-routes. CDG,LHR, etc, Also former CIS states.

SU only has the 737-400 which it was one of the last airlines to order.

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RE: Fleet Of Aeroflot?

Tue Oct 24, 2000 8:27 pm

SU are using IL-96 between Moscow and Saigon in Vietnam. Sometimes with a stopover in Novosibirsk.

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