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Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:54 am

I know DL tagged flights between IAH-ATL-LOS and vice versa but I noticed today that flt 54 and 55 are now tagged to BWI. Has the launch of UA to LOS already impacted DL?
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting Triple7LR (Thread starter):

I know DL tagged flights between IAH-ATL-LOS and vice versa but I noticed today that flt 54 and 55 are now tagged to BWI. Has the launch of UA to LOS already impacted DL?

DL always tags international flights with domestic segments.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:57 am

Yes. DL's front cabin depended mostly on Houston, hence the tag. With the nonstop, that is now gone, and that is a major revenue loss for DL.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:59 am

Delta did a tag from Houston to Dubai.
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 1):

I know that. Just noticed they no longer tag IAH to LOS. Now they tag it to BWI.
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:12 pm

Yeah Triple, I'm not sure why they chose BWI. I guess since UA started IAH, DL beancounters have come to the conclusion that BWI would be 2nd best...No clue as to why! Interesting.
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:29 pm

Maryland has a large and growing Nigerian population (in fact I think it might be the state with the largest Nigerian population, although Houston and New York City have larger populations than any one place in Maryland), that is the only reason I can think of as to why DL would link it to BWI.
 
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:33 pm

BWI is one of their top flow destinations, if not the top destination, hence the thru flt
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:53 pm

Maybe they should tag IAH to the JNB flight
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:32 pm

It is interesting to look at UA flights 142 and 143. It will always tell you how many seats are booked in Business First on the day of travel, and of course it shows the standby list for BF.

I look at this flight a lot. BF is often heavily booked on these flights. Sometimes BF is at or near capacity.

I can believe DL has been negatively affected by this flight.
 
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:44 pm

I wouldn't go that far. DLs flights perform well if not very well in BE, based on bookings. I couldn't tell you what the yields were but we don't know that for UA either. There is plenty to go around for both airlines.
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):

Why? IAH is not a dominate contributor to the ATL-JNB flight the way it was for ATL-LOS.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:52 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 10):
I wouldn't go that far. DLs flights perform well if not very well in BE, based on bookings. I couldn't tell you what the yields were but we don't know that for UA either. There is plenty to go around for both airlines.

Houston is the largest front cabin market to LOS by far from the US, and DL was getting the vast majority of it before UA started the nonstop. Now it's getting very little of it--that is a huge amount of revenue they have to backfill, and I don't see another source that could make up for the IAH loss. BWI for instance, is entirely coach traffic.
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:50 am

It'll be interesting to see how the flight does long term and if Delta tries to move it to JFK. While filling the plane is easy, Africa-U.S. hasn't turned out be as lucrative as many - myself included - thought it would be.

A plane filled with VFR from the South to Nigeria isn't going to be lucrative these days, even though the market from Nigeria to places like Atlanta, Texas and Florida is growing and a nice pace.

Though U.S. carriers have the advantage of being on much more stable ground than the local airlines. Who knows how long Arik Air will be around, and Kano Air's application for FLL and BWI service was probably just to give an intern something to so with their spare time.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:27 am

IAH - LOS is also serves the oil company execs that travel between the 2 countries as well as the general Nigerian population of the Houston area.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting toobz (Reply 5):
Yeah Triple, I'm not sure why they chose BWI. I guess since UA started IAH, DL beancounters have come to the conclusion that BWI would be 2nd best...No clue as to why! Interesting.
Quoting Polot (Reply 6):
Maryland has a large and growing Nigerian population (in fact I think it might be the state with the largest Nigerian population, although Houston and New York City have larger populations than any one place in Maryland), that is the only reason I can think of as to why DL would link it to BWI.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
BWI is one of their top flow destinations, if not the top destination, hence the thru flt

BWI cannot support Non-Stop service, but the through-flight is very attractive to the Nigerian population in the Baltimore/Washington Catchment area. They tagged it previously, so it's not surprising to see it back.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:09 am

All I was saying was the flights do well in BE based on bookings. I understand what you are saying about Houston..I agree it's the biggest market. However, it seems other people from other cities are still using DL service and filling the front end nicely.
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:12 am

I can't honestly believe that, in the year 2012, domestic tags in the United States mean literally anything at all.

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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:52 am

I've been checking loads on DL to LOS. Good luck getting a BE seat. If not sold out there's about 2-3 seats left. DL is using newly configured BE on these flights. Very competitive product!
And I'm not just looking at a seat map on Delta.com. So it is obviously not hurting Delta much at all.
Plus think about it, would you really want to suffer on UA for 12hrs... :-P joking of course
 
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:07 pm

On a related note, I completely forgot DL's partner in Nigeria, Air Nigeria, folded months ago.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 13):
Africa-U.S. hasn't turned out be as lucrative as many - myself included - thought it would be.

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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):

I would agree, except they do show up in inventory first.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
With the exception of ATLJNB, DL's African adventures have been all over the map, literally

Planning on doing BZE-ATL-JNB next Nov in BE. Can't wait! Its a great connection both ways and it is something that DL should promote more of in the Central America / Caribbean region.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:26 pm

Somewhat on topic. Last week I was on the UA non-stop 767-400 to GIG from IAH, the plane was packed as was BF, the guy next to me said he was doing his 28 days off shore, he said many of his work buddies were in BF. I did think "wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry" how many BF seats are there on a UA 764?

And, BTW, it was a perfect flight in every way, no reason to criticize UA service on that flight anyway. No wonder they are putting the 787 on the Lagos flight. No doubt they make big bucks on that route. No?

Do all UA oil flights do so well? (like Kuwait, Bahrain and Dubai- though I assume Dubai is a lot of business and tourist too)
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
Last week I was on the UA non-stop 767-400 to GIG from IAH, the plane was packed as was BF, the guy next to me said he was doing his 28 days off shore, he said many of his work buddies were in BF. I did think "wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry" how many BF seats are there on a UA 764?

IAH-GIG is a stellar performer. Yields are very good. Lots of oil related cargo down below too.
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RE: Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?

Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
"wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry"

A piece? They have a hub in the oil capital of the world.
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