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744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:31 pm

Sadly it seems that the 747-400s days are numbered with major operators planning to retire the type or already has retired it. However threre are still quite a few operators flying the 744. Here are some that I believe use the 744 on regular scheduled flights

KL
AF
BA
LH
VS
UA
DL
QF
TG
KE
CX
NH
CA
CI
LY
SV
UN

It would be great if we all could help out to fill this list with how many 744s each carrier has and when they plan to retire the type. This will give us 747-400 aficionados a good and complete list of where we can hop on a 744, and for how much longer.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:49 pm

The KL has 26 744 aircraft in their fleet: 4x cargo, 17x combi and 5x full pax. The full pax models will be replaced by 77W aircraft while the combi's will be replaced by 787's and A350s'. However, it will take until 2020 at least before all 744 aircraft are gone.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:52 pm

As far as I know, CX will retire their last 744 in 2016. Based on the CX Interim Results presentation for this year, they currently have 21 pax 744s, 4 of which are on operating leases, and the last of which will expire in 2016. I have heard that CX are accelerating plans for 744 retirement, but even assuming they retire all their owned pax 744s before 2016, it appears that they'll still be operating the leased aircraft until then.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:56 pm

Just to specify, the list should only contain active 744s, none that are stored but still owned by the airline.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):

Thanks, that is a great start!


KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:09 pm

Lufthansa is cuurently replacing its older 747-400 with A380s and 747-8Is. The newer 747-400s are planned to stay for a few years flying side by side with its newer siblings the 747-8I- With Lufthansa you have a chance to fly on the 747 for at least 20 more years  
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:23 pm

Qantas has postponed some of the A380 deliveries and decided to refurbish 9 of the 18 744 aircraft, so they will stay in the fleet for a little bit longer. The last 747 aircraft should leave the fleet by 2021.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:25 pm

Air New Zealand apparently still has 2 Boeing 747 400's in service. The type is said to be retired from their fleet in 2015.

Air Pacific also still have 2 Boeing 747 400's. They will be retired from the fleet in 2013 apparently.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:28 pm

All five PR 744s are still in service, although rumors are going around that they will be retired by 2017.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:29 pm

Air India, Air New Zealand, Air Pacific, Air Pullmantur, Asiana Airlines, Corsair International, EVA Air, Garuda Indonesia, Lion Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Philippine Airlines and Royal Air Maroc all also still operate them on scheduled services.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):

Fantastic, keep the good work up.

KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH
VS
UA
DL
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
KE
CX
NH
CA
CI
LY
SV
UN
FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 7):
Air New Zealand apparently still has 2 Boeing 747 400's in service. The type is said to be retired from their fleet in 2015.

Do those two operate on scheduled flights or are they just used as back up planes?
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Do those two operate on scheduled flights or are they just used as back up planes?

They are nearly always scheduled to operate NZ7/NZ8 to and from San Francisco as well as several trans-Tasman flights. I think they also get send up to Vancouver every once in a while. Both were bought from the lessors by Air New Zealand a few years back.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 12):

They are nearly always scheduled to operate NZ7/NZ8 to and from San Francisco as well as several trans-Tasman flights. I think they also get send up to Vancouver every once in a while. Both were bought from the lessors by Air New Zealand a few years back.

Good, then they should be included in the list.



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LH
VS
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DL
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
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FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:51 pm

CA has 4x744, 5x74M and 11x74F in operation. There is no plan for retirement until now.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting justinlee (Reply 12):
CA has 4x744, 5x74M and 11x74F in operation. There is no plan for retirement until now.

Does CA usually operate an a/c until the end of their usable life? Might give us an idea of how long they will keep their 747 fleet flying.


KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH
VS
UA
DL
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
KE
CX
NH
CA 5x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement, not announced
CI
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FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:09 pm

KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH Phasing them out slowly and adding 748. Currently around 23-26 active, rest stored or srapped.
VS
UA
DL
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
KE
CX
NH
CA 5x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement, not announced
CI
LY
SV
UN
FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017

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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:11 pm

NH has 5× 747-481D.
JA8957, JA8960, JA8961, JA8965 and JA8966
They will be retired until 2015.

[Edited 2012-12-25 07:13:39]
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Does CA usually operate an a/c until the end of their usable life? Might give us an idea of how long they will keep their 747 fleet flying.

CA usually utilizes their owned planes for quite a long time. But there is a higher possibility that CA will convert 747s to cargo aircraft.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 14):
LH Phasing them out slowly and adding 748. Currently around 23-26 active, rest stored or srapped.

Hasnt LH announced any year for their last 744 to be retired?

Quoting kochikaze (Reply 15):
NH has 5 747-481D.
JA8957, JA8960, JA8961, JA8965 and JA8966
They will be retired until 2015.

KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH Phasing them out slowly and adding 748. Currently around 23-26 active, rest stored or srapped.
VS
UA
DL
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
KE
CX
NH 5x 74D - retirement ~ 2015
CA 5x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement, not announced
CI
LY
SV
UN
FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017

Quoting justinlee (Reply 16):
CA usually utilizes their owned planes for quite a long time. But there is a higher possibility that CA will convert 747s to cargo aircraft.

Oh, I see. Hopefully CA wont convert them to 74Fs.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
Hasnt LH announced any year for their last 744 to be retired?

Well, things at LH change rather quickly. I was told when I was at flight school I will never fly the 737... That was in 2001... And they are still around.
So the same for the 742 back then. So I guess we will see the 744 for many more years at LH as we have some rather new ones. The old ones will be retired pretty soon with the replacement 748's.

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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 18):
So I guess we will see the 744 for many more years at LH as we have some rather new ones. The old ones will be retired pretty soon with the replacement 748's.

I guess so. Isnt LH known for using aircraft until they reach the end of their serviceable lives? I know that at the time of retirement some of LH's 744s had the highest hours/cycles recorded on the type. I believe they hold a similar record for the 737s.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):

Yes, LH uses their airplanes quite long. Good service makes it possbile. The oldest 744 which are retired had over 120,000 hours and were from 1988. So quite old, but still an incredible reliability   

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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
UA
DL

DL has 16 744s and has just done a complete cabin refurbishment on them. Despite being some of the oldest 744's (NW took delivery of the first 744) AFAIK there are no plans to retire them.

UA has 24 744's (23 mainline and 1 charter) UA announced some time ago that they intended on replacing them with the A350-900 however with the CO merger there is some talk of acquiring larger aircraft (350-1000, 737--300NG or 747-8i) to replace the 744's. They recently concentrated all of the 744s around SFO in order to improve dispatch reliability. UA finished retrofitting IPTE on the 744 a couple of years ago but is adding worldwide WiFi and streaming video to improve the experience in Y.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:08 pm

CI has 13 744 in service and 18 744F, 3 744F in storage,and one leased out.
Just announced order for 6 77W (with purchase rights for 4) and lease another 4. Seems to be a 744 replacement program though initially the first ones will replace A343 till A359 delivered. They just spent over 100 million Us$ refurbishing the 744 cabins. First 77W delivery from GECAS 2014 but not sure when first 744 retirements would be., first A359s due 2016.

What they will do with their 744F fleet, the largest, is the 6 billion $ question for B! I don't see a for one for one replacement, they could do with something smaller for regional routes or even for the lower 48 states for transpac with transhipment via ANC etc, plus there is far more competition from newer carriers now. As most of their cargo business is electronics they probably would need the 7478F rather than a 777 F for the volume. With 24 A333s in service or due in next 2 years the A332F would fit well size wise as a smaller complement to the 747 and for commonality (except they would have to change engine suppliers as GE is not on the A332F).

The last 4 pax 744s are operated by CI, they were delivered 04/05. Hoping they stay till end of this decade!
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 21):

When last 744 retires from DL, the pilots will deadhead back in a D95  
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 23):
When last 744 retires from DL, the pilots will deadhead back in a D95  

....not sure about the D95's although something along the lines of a MD90/95/88 is possible  
Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
737--300NG

Oh...that's funny. I meant 777-300NG   Too much egg nog  
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:16 pm

You forgot EVA. EVA had four 747 combi , sold two but are still flying two of them. And they have a number of all passenger 744. However all are slated for retirement within the decade. The remaining two combi will be gone within 2 years FAIK, as they are near 20 years old.
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:35 pm

Malaysia Airlines is also missing in the list, they currently operate 8 744 aircraft (6x pax, 2x freighter) and the pax models will be stored in Februari next year.

[Edited 2012-12-25 10:35:45]
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:50 pm

VS has 13. One, G-VTOP, will be retired in Jan 2013.

The 7 remaining leisure configured B744 (G-VROM,GAL,LIP,ROS,ROY,AST,XLG) have all just been refurbished and will be around until at least 2019.

The other 5 (G-VFAB, HOT, BIG, WOW, ROC) are in the lower density configuration of J44 W62 Y261 and will probably be around until;

A) they are replaced like for like by A380 (IF they arrive) from 2015 onwards
B) they are replaced by a similar high capacity aircraft (A359, maybe B77W) from 2015, depending on what replaces them
C) the other B744 are retired, due to lower demand for larger capacity aircraft and they are replaced by B789 (this is unlikely, as the B789 are required to replace the A346 which will probably be gone before the B744)

Whichever scenario occurs they wil be in the VS fleet until at least 2019.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:05 pm

National Airlines also has a few 744s around.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
Sadly it seems that the 747-400s days are numbered

Why sadly?

We are talking about a model that has been around for almost 25-years now, whose economics and market placement is not as compelling compared to more modern options.

Its simple life where progress leads to obsolescence.

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 25):
You forgot EVA. EVA had four 747 combi , sold two but are still flying two of them. And they have a number of all passenger 744. However all are slated for retirement within the decade. The remaining two combi will be gone within 2 years FAIK, as they are near 20 years old.

With the follow on order of 7 more 77Ws this year it was mentioned the current 6 strong 744 fleet would drop to 4 in 2013, and the last 4 examples would be gone by 2015.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:17 pm

Transaero has large fleet of them...probably will be flying them for some time to come in addition to their B743s..

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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:40 pm

Thank you guys, this is great.

KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH Phasing them out slowly and adding 748. Currently around 23-26 active, rest stored or srapped.
VS 13x 744 - retirement ~ 2019
UA 23x 744 - retirement, not announced (?)
DL 16x 744 - retirement, not announced (?)
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
KE
CX
NH 5x 74D - retirement ~ 2015
CA 5x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement, not announced
CI 13x 744 - retirement, not announced
LY
SV
UN
FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017
BR 2x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
MH 6x 744 - retirement ~ FEB 2013

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
Why sadly?

We are talking about a model that has been around for almost 25-years now, whose economics and market placement is not as compelling compared to more modern options.

The same reason why some will miss the MD80s, MD11 or any other model. Everything doesnt always have to do with economics.

Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
DL has 16 744s and has just done a complete cabin refurbishment on them. Despite being some of the oldest 744's (NW took delivery of the first 744) AFAIK there are no plans to retire them

Didnt they say 2016?
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 31):
Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
DL has 16 744s and has just done a complete cabin refurbishment on them. Despite being some of the oldest 744's (NW took delivery of the first 744) AFAIK there are no plans to retire them

Didnt they say 2016?

Not that I know of...you may be thinking of UA which plans on starting to retire them in 2016.
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
I guess so. Isnt LH known for using aircraft until they reach the end of their serviceable lives? I know that at the time of retirement some of LH's 744s had the highest hours/cycles recorded on the type. I believe they hold a similar record for the 737s.

LH seems to take very loving care of their aircraft in order to maximize their serviceable life. They have even spun off their aircraft service capabilities in the form of Lufthansa Technik, with a world-wide network of facilities and contracts with many airlines from all over the globe.

The 744 is an old bird, but she can still be flown profitably. She is still a modern airliner, very different from the original 741.
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 32):

Not that I know of...you may be thinking of UA which plans on starting to retire them in 2016.

When will the last 744 fly for UA?
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):
When will the last 744 fly for UA?

Assuming that delivery of the 359's are on schedule and UA does actually replace the 744s with 359's the last 747 should leave the fleet in 2019.
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:01 pm

Which airline at anytime in history operated the largest fleet? And about how many? PanAm? BA? Just a guess!
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 36):

Which airline at anytime in history operated the largest fleet? And about how many? PanAm? BA? Just a guess!

Of all types of 747s? JL or BA....I would have to go back and count how many but booth would be around 70+ at their peak.

UA had 60 at one point before the 777s started coming online...18 741, 9 742, 11 74L and 22 744.
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:07 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 35):

Assuming that delivery of the 359's are on schedule and UA does actually replace the 744s with 359's the last 747 should leave the fleet in 2019.

Thanks!

Quoting VC10er (Reply 36):
Which airline at anytime in history operated the largest fleet? And about how many? PanAm? BA? Just a guess!

BA I guess.

KL 17x 74M/ 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2020
AF
BA
LH Phasing them out slowly and adding 748. Currently around 23-26 active, rest stored or srapped.
VS 13x 744 - retirement ~ 2019
UA 23x 744 - retirement ~ 2019
DL 16x 744 - retirement, not announced (?)
QF 6x 744ER / 12x 744 - retirement ~ 2021
TG
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CX
NH 5x 74D - retirement ~ 2015
CA 5x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement, not announced
CI 13x 744 - retirement, not announced
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FJ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2013
NZ 2x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
PR 5x 744 - retirement ~ 2017
BR 2x 74M/ 4x 744 - retirement ~ 2015
MH 6x 744 - retirement ~ FEB 2013
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:18 pm

It is nice to see this list and conversation. With SQ having retired their's already, I had it in mind that there were just a handful of years at the major carriers left in the old girl. Seems more like several.

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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:36 pm

There's at least one more 744 flying around!

YI-AQQ is operating for IA. Dunno if it's a charter, VIP, but for sure is not a cargo plane!
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:38 pm

YI-AQQ is leased from AAR Corporation.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 36):
Which airline at anytime in history operated the largest fleet? And about how many? PanAm? BA? Just a guess!

If you're just talking 744's I think it goes BAB, JAL, UAL. However, I think JAL for several years was flying the largest fleet of 747's (all types).
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 27):
A346 which will probably be gone before the B744

4x have already gone, plus another 2x pretty soonish. They're already in the process of being replaced by the A333. I can see all the 744's heading over to LGW eventually and LHR being a 789/A333 base.

Having said that, their oldest 2x 744's (G-VFAB/G-VHOT) are 19 years old next year so nearing the end of their lifespan unfortunately. The other 3x of the original 5x aren't much younger (G-VBIG/G-VAST/G-VXLG) and as you correctly mentioned G-VTOP is heading off shortly. Be interesting to see if it finds a new lease of life or heads for the scrapper as its a 1997 build, so not exactly one of the newest out there.
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 31):
Didnt they say 2016?

I've heard nothing.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 36):
Which airline at anytime in history operated the largest fleet?

My guess is Japan Airlines...60?
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 43):

The next two A346 don't go until August and October next year (G-VGOA/ATL)

LHR will probably need the capacity for LAX/SFO/MIA/NYC until something similar comes along. G-VHOT and G-VBIG are not necessarily coming to the end of their life. I think 'AB is paid for, and 'OT is not far behind. They could easily last until 2015 or layer if required, as they have at least another 35000 hours ( enough for something like 7 years at current utilisation) in them under their current lifespan certification. (I believe LH was retiring theirs at @120k hours without issues or restrictions)

The others have even fewer hours, and could conceivably go another 10 years.

Interestingly the A346 were returned with barely 50k hours on them. The leases on the leisure B744 were renewed with over 55k already on them which suggests that VS still find them to be a very useful aircraft
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 44):
My guess is Japan Airlines...60?

Airfleets.net lists them with 126 historical, B lists 108 deliveries and there were some -400BCF's they also purchased (I don't know where those came from). I heard that at one point their fleet was over 90 in service.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 43):
4x have already gone, plus another 2x pretty soonish. They're already in the process of being replaced by the A333. I can see all the 744's heading over to LGW eventually and LHR being a 789/A333 base.

All A330s ordered by VS have been delivered and the sub-leased Air China A330s have returned to VS.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 43):
Having said that, their oldest 2x 744's (G-VFAB/G-VHOT) are 19 years old next year so nearing the end of their lifespan unfortunately.

To be honest I wouldn't use age as a sole definition of an aircraft's lifespan and it should be added that younger aircraft have been withdrawn and it is known for aircraft to still fly 35+ years after being built.

Also VS have operated 747-200s in the past which were well over 20 years old before VS retired them, though admittedly this is going back to the 1990s and early-2000s when VS had 747-200s in the fleet.
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:29 pm

Great thread..regarding JL..i cant believe how quickly they retired their fleet =(
DL will def hang on to those for awhile, if anything, as ive stated before, they were a golden nugget in the merger and a source of pride for the combined carrier. Still nice to see as many as three on the deck at once at DTW..doesnt beat when NW would five or six mostly side by side but still bohemiths that can be seen all the way from 94
 
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RE: 744: Current Operators And Planned Retirements

Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
As far as I know, CX will retire their last 744 in 2016.

Latest rumour is that the 744 retirement has been postponed a little later. Many of the remaining 744s in the fleet are undergoing business class cabin refurbishment (instead of getting the new business class). The end date of the 744s might remain the same but the number of retirements next year might be less than original.

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