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British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:58 pm

Does anyone know what routes British Airways' A380s will be put onto intially?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:26 pm

According to a380flights.net BA will fly first to New York, Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:43 pm

Are the routes over to Asia for connection down to Australia?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:47 pm

BA will announce the routes in spring 2013 and will take delivery of its first A380 in July 2013. They will first deploy it on short haul to train crews. Madrid is often quoted as a possible destination.

BA is currently the largest user of Boeing 747-400s (52 in service) : The scope for potential A380 routes is huge...

New York JFK, Singapore, Johannesburg, Hong Kong, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami and Boston are all candidates  
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:05 pm

The general consensus in the past has been that HKG and LAX are very likely initially.

JFK is unlikely due to T7's physical constraints and because there are better uses for the aircraft elsewhere.

It could realistically go anywhere with more than a single daily flight, either to add capacity or to combine flights and free up slots/planes for new long haul services.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Are the routes over to Asia for connection down to Australia?

Without the QF JV, BA will channel Australian traffic onto their own service via SIN wherever possible. Flying the A380 to Asia will be all about local demand.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:47 pm

Wouldn't the A380 release some 744s and 777s to open other routes. I wonder what other routes would those be...
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:47 pm

I'd like to see it at SFO as either the earlier flight or the late flight as LH does (early A380, late A340). Why don't more of the European carriers at SFO use thier 777 more. E.g. BA, AF, KL. I know sometimes they do seasonal but why SFO is always 744?
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:14 pm

I am looking forward to seeing her at LHR... truly becoming a hub for the A380
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:23 pm

LHR-NCL? Please, just once..... 
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:23 pm

I wonder whether the gates that BA uses at SFO at Terminal 1 are even capable of taking an A380?
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:25 pm

Actually Willie Walsh has said in the past that JFK wasn't high on his list of priorities for the A380 as they operated so many flights per day there, and customers are looking for a consistent service, rather than operating 3 different aircraft types. Far more likely to go to an (equally) premium heavy destination that has lower frequency - HKG, LAX, NRT (maybe DXB but who knows).

MAD sounds a likely fit for the initial crew training period...
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting ncl2011 (Reply 8):

LHR-NCL? Please, just once..... 

Just like every other airline I wouldn't be surprised if BA operate an A380 tour similar to QF which operated tour flights to nearly every port in Australia which is capable of handling the type...

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 10):

Yeah I've read up similar quotes which stated BA prefer multiple daily flights to JFK opposed to operating 1 xA380 daily...

Wasn't HKG the 1st A380 destination...?

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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:19 am

Have heard YVR will be a fairly early A380 destination (2x daily 744's within 2.5 hrs of each other in summer).
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:49 am

Quoting Azure (Reply 3):
They will first deploy it on short haul to train crews. Madrid is often quoted as a possible destination.

DME maybe? It's one of the shortest 747 flights that BA offers...
In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised to see the BA 380 at CDG/FRA/MAD

Can't remember the source, but apparently BA is considering PEK as one of the first long-haul routes the A380 will fly.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting Azure (Reply 3):
New York JFK, Singapore, Johannesburg, Hong Kong, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami and Boston are all candidates

Boston? Is Logan Terminal E even equipped to handle an A380?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):

Not to nitpick, but BA uses the International Terminal, not Terminal 1. But yes, the side of IT that BA uses has A380 capable gates. I know A9 is, though I'm not sure about A7 and A5.
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:38 am

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 14):
Is Logan Terminal E even equipped to handle an A380?

I'm not so sure that it is... I know the airport can handle A380's as diversions, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that parking one at E would shut down an adjacent gate(s).
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:56 am

I would be surprised to see SFO get a A380. BA runs double daily 747's (year round I believe).
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:14 am

I expect LAX, JFK, HKG, SIN (Possibly SYD via SIN), maybe NRT, MIA (planned frequency downgrade, possible capacity upgrade), maybe seasonal SFO. Further down the road maybe BOS, YYZ, ICN, and a middle eastern destination.
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:08 am

Quoting jfrworld (Reply 17):

I would be surprised to see SFO get a A380. BA runs double daily 747's (year round I believe).


This article is a couple of years old but in 2009, BA listed its' top ten long haul routes and SFO is on the list. I would not be surprised to see SFO get the A380. Maybe not initially but sooner rather than later.

http://buyingbusinesstravel.com/news...redicts-rise-some-long-haul-travel
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:20 am

i'm looking forward to seeing the BA A380 in PHX next year   Any remote possibility of this occurring?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:32 am

Any chance of A380 heading LHR-DXB? Already 10x flights daily?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
I wonder whether the gates that BA uses at SFO at Terminal 1 are even capable of taking an A380?

The current gates (A-4 and A-6) they prefer are not A380 capable. However A-9 has the tri-jetbridge setup. Not a long walk for the high end BA passengers.
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:52 am

Who knows, one day we may have 10 daily A380s on LHR-DXB...
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:59 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 23):

From April 2013, we'll have 7 daily A380 LHR-DXB flights (5 x EK and 2 x QF) - so not far off!
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:10 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 23):
Who knows, one day we may have 10 daily A380s on LHR-DXB...

You raise a question for me when you mention all flights perhaps being A380 one day. I imagine the demand profile varies betweem morning, afternoon and evening flights. Does BA use different capacity aircraft on the route (eg B767/B777/B744) according to varying demand throughout the day?
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:40 am

Quoting art (Reply 25):
Does BA use different capacity aircraft on the route (eg B767/B777/B744) according to varying demand throughout the day?

BA is currently operating three flights a day to DXB. Two are overnight and one is a day time flight. Depending on the date one of the overnight flights (BA107) is a 744. The other two (BA105 and '09) are both 772s. However since earlier in December all three flights have been 4-class 772s.

The two overnight flights depart from LHR a little more than an hour apart (2035 and 2140). (With the local arrival time approaching 12 hours on the clock after the local departure time, flights can depart LHR up to early afternoon and arrive before midnight or depart late evening and arrive around breakfast time.) This all creates the picture of a 380 - (F14 / J97 / W55 / Y303) replacing two 772s (F14 / J48 / W40 / Y122 each or F28 / J96 / W80 / Y244 when combined) resulting in an additional 1 'J' and 25' W' but 14 fewer 'F' and 59 fewer 'Y' seats. More importantly it would free up one LHR slot pair. It also shows that the routes the 380 initially flies might well be seasonal.

What is likely is that loads vary with the day of the week. So we quite probably will see what we saw when BA introduced the 77W with the ffirst 380 flying five or six different routes depending on the day of the week. If this happens DXB looks a good route as BA could use the fare price mechanism if it needed to to reduce 'Y' demand on the day of the 380 flight.

Quoting Seabiscuit (Reply 20):
i'm looking forward to seeing the BA A380 in PHX next year Any remote possibility of this occurring?

On diversion from LAX?  
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:25 pm

When BA does get their first A380, after they use it ti CDG for crew training, they will use it to a city where they can operate one round trip daily. This indicates a city about 6-8 hours flying time from LHR, east coast USA or Dubai fit the mission.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
When BA does get their first A380, after they use it ti CDG for crew training, they will use it to a city where they can operate one round trip daily. This indicates a city about 6-8 hours flying time from LHR, east coast USA or Dubai fit the mission.

If they operate publicity/training flights until they receive their second frame (does anyone know how long it will take for the second frame to arrive?) then they will be able to open daily flights to virtually anywhere in the network. It wouldn't be difficult for them to sub in a 744 if any issues were encountered, especially if they held off reassigning the capacity that the new aircraft will free up until they had a larger fleet/more confidence.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 26):
it would free up one LHR slot pair.

This in my view is as important a factor as anything else in BA decision to buy A380s. I see a lot more in time.
 
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
after they use it ti CDG for crew training, they will use it to a city where they can operate one round trip daily. This indicates a city about 6-8 hours flying time from LHR

You make it so certain. Do you have a mate in BA planning who knows more about it than the rest of BA?
Why not say " I think " when your whole post is guesswork?
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:18 pm

Any chance of one going to Moscow? They have already upped the route with a 747
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RE: British Airways A380 Routes

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:27 pm

Routes will be annonced in the New Year for both A380 and B787 we will have to wait and see.