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US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Today's US 711 from ZRH to PHL diverted to MAN due to "aircraft maintenance" (source: US airways website) prior to resuming its flight to PHL where it is expected later this evening. Does anyone know what happened? Did they have to dump fuel prior to landing in MAN?
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:41 pm

Yeah, all I can find is "aircraft maintenance." Look at the Flightaware tracker for it.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE711
Pretty interesting approach into Manchester. Is this a glitch? Or did it circle 20 times? To burn off fuel?
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
Is this a glitch? Or did it circle 20 times? To burn off fuel?

This is what caught my eye as well. Given the current high holiday season loads, I would assume that they were still well above their max landing weight when they arrived over MAN.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:12 pm

They probably didn't dump fuel then.
It looks they knew where they were going pretty soon after takeoff. They could probably do a few things to burn a lot of fuel over Manchester, and probably did what they could on the way, but why Manchester and what happened? Maybe Manchester was so they could burn off some fuel in a less busy holding pattern and airport. Though by the circling, DUB or KEF could've worked.  
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:11 pm

Flightaware and flightstats now show the flight heading from MAN to BOS; according to usairways.com it is still going to PHL as originally scheduled.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:25 pm

This is quite interesting. Bad fix (or no fix) on the mechanical issue? There is a storm up in the Northeast US, but it seems to be affecting BOS more than PHL. Both are quite delayed right now.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:52 pm

The avherald now carries an update on the incident:

"A US Airways Boeing 767-200, registration N246AY performing flight US-711 from Zurich (Switzerland) to Philadelphia,PA (USA), was enroute at FL340 about 25nm southeast of Manchester,EN (UK) when the crew decided to divert to Manchester reporting problems with the air conditioning on board. The aircraft descended normally to FL100 and entered a hold for about 2.5 hours to burn off fuel and commenced a safe landing at Manchester about 2:50 hours after leaving FL340.

The air conditioning was quickly repaired, however, a preflight inspection revealed a further fault with the gear doors delaying departure for another hour.

The aircraft was able to depart after 2 hours on the ground in Manchester and is currently enroute to Boston,MA (USA) where an additional intermediate stop is necessary due to crew duty time limitation"

It seems strange to me that they would circle for 150 minutes rather than just dump fuel. Is it possible that they did not get permission to do so?

I wonder what they will do once they get to BOS as the passengers will have to go through customs & immigration in BOS. I assume that they will rebook the pax on other flights from BOS and then ferry the 762 down to PHL.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 6):
It seems strange to me that they would circle for 150 minutes rather than just dump fuel.

Some 767 aircraft do not have the capability to dump fuel.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
Some 767 aircraft do not have the capability to dump fuel.

US only operates 762s, and some older ones, so it is possible this aircraft isn't able to dump fuel. Pax in Boston will have to clear Customs and probably therefore security again. I have once seen a diverted plane get a dedicated customs lane blocked off from the normal Pax flow at the end, allowing the passengers to be shuttled back to the gate if they wanted to without security.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 8):
US only operates 762s, and some older ones

They have two batches of 762, the 767-201 which were originally delivered to Piedmont and the 767-2B7 which went to US Air. BTW, N246 AY is their second oldest ex-Piedmont 767 at 25.6. years.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 9):
second oldest ex-Piedmont 767

Thank you! MSN 23898, LN 175. Anymore diversion info?
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:26 pm

So if I understood it correctly the plane flew from ZRH-MAN which takes around 1h20min, then circled for 2.5h before landing and then stayed in MAN for 2h and then flew let's say 6-7h to BOS and now the passengers are stranded in BOS?

Sounds like a terrible ordeal for the passengers who have connections etc. Also the 762 has no AVOD in Y so that makes an uncomfortable flight for passengers...Anyway, safety comes first but still what an ordeal.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting lax888 (Reply 11):
stranded in BOS?

According to US Airways the plane is still expected in PHL at 8:23 PM, that´s 2 hours after its estimated touch down at BOS. I wonder whether they intend to bring up a fresh crew, refuel it and then head on to PHL without clearing customs and immigration at BOS (provided US law allows such a procedure).
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:07 pm

You are correct. They are only stopping in BOS to add crew which are probably dutying out. Suppose to be a quick fuel & go but you know how that can go.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:29 am

The US 762's are old Piedmont airplanes. Early 1980's vintage.
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:25 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 14):
The US 762's are old Piedmont airplanes. Early 1980's vintage.

Five were delivered to Piedmont in 1987-1988, the other five were delivered to US Air in 1990-93. (http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/US%20Airways-active-b767.htm) This is why they're still around, versus, say, the early 80s vintage 762s that AA and UA have retired. US will be replacing these in the next few years with new A332 deliveries, but it's not clear whether they'll retire the 762s or put them on domestic/Caribbean routes.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 13):
They are only stopping in BOS to add crew which are probably dutying out. Suppose to be a quick fuel & go but you know how that can go.

They finally made it to PHL at 9:09 pm; looks like they spent an hour and 36 min on the ground in BOS. Long day for the passengers; hoe
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 15):
Five were delivered to Piedmont in 1987-1988, the other five were delivered to US Air in 1990-93. (http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/US%20Airways-active-b767.htm)

If memory serves, Piedmont ordered and took deliver of 6. Us Air also ordered and got 6. US later sold one (I think that was when the A330-300 started coming in. They lost one in a fire after maintenance in Philly about 2,000
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 15):
US will be replacing these in the next few years with new A332 deliveries

OT: I guess US will have merged with AA, left *Alliance and discontinued the flight to the LX hub in ZRH before we see modern US airbus metal on the ground here in ZRH. I do like the vintage 762 though; while everyone is complianing about their lack of IFE right now, it will be sad day when the last "short" 767s are retired from scheduled TATL service and all that is left are A330/340 and 763 plus the occsional A380. It is a pity that UA no longer flies the CO 762 to ZRH and we now get only tired old 763 and the occiasional 764 during the high season.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:35 am

Quoting lax888 (Reply 11):
now the passengers are stranded in BOS?

Crew ran out of duty time.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 13):
They are only stopping in BOS to add crew which are probably dutying out.

Correct. Crew ran out of duty time. Probably getting a new crew inbound from PHL or CLT.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 6):
It seems strange to me that they would circle for 150 minutes rather than just dump fuel. Is it possible that they did not get permission to do so?

If the fuel from the centre tank had been burned, then no dumping would have been possible as fuel can only be dumped from the centre tank, not either of the two outers.
 
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting CaptCufflinks (Reply 19):
If the fuel from the centre tank had been burned, then no dumping would have been possible as fuel can only be dumped from the centre tank, not either of the two outers.

The centre tanks hold roughly half of the entire fuel capacity. If Fuel Jettison is installed, then normally it would get the aircraft under MLW.

It has been a while since we have had -200s in our fleet, but I don't recall the -200s every having the Fuel Jettison capability. It looks like they circled to reduce weight.
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:06 pm

Pretty sure US diverted to 711 because they wanted to get Slurpees!
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RE: US 711 Diversion: Why

Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:34 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 21):

LOL probably!
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