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Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:58 am

I fly from Sydney to Bangkok quite often, Thai has used the lovely A346 exclusively for a number of years. Recently they have change to the 747-400,any ideas why?
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:02 am

Higher capacity?

The A346 may well be a newer aircraft, but if it sees a better need for it elsewhere then thats just the way it goes.
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:07 am

Quoting nrt1011 (Thread starter):
Thai has used the lovely A346 exclusively for a number of years. Recently they have change to the 747-400,any ideas why?

The first thing I do is go to Seatguru and note than there is a drop in premium seats and a sharp increase in Y seats. That tells me that is where the demand is. The A346 has been sent to where the front cabin will be filled. I would ask where? My first guess would be PEK or PVG. SYD apparently fills the back of the plane well though...

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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:09 am

More Y, less J.

We'll be getting the A380 next year, which is a pretty clear signal that they're going for the Y market at SYD these days. Perhaps we could see an A380/A346 combo (that would be VERY welcome!).
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:11 am

Hmm..capacity?! If it was all about comfort, we would have lovely 763s flying DEN-COS. If Thai can make money on the route and fill aircraft, they can put a 744 on that route and better use a 346 elsewhere.
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:13 am

Given that BKK is not a high yielding destination in its own right, and Australia as a whole really isn't exactly the biggest premium market, its strange they sent them here in the first place.
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:16 am

Good points and makes sense. Whatever plane they use, the thing is usually pretty well full. I don't really mind, either plane is fine by me, just the 747 seats are a bit older.

I noticed Thai actually changed the BKK-LHR flights from B747 to the A346, probably per the points above

I love the thought of the A380 at some time, I flew the SIN one maybe 3 weeks after they got it. As long as I fly Star Alliance, I don't mind
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:28 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):

More Y, less J.

We'll be getting the A380 next year, which is a pretty clear signal that they're going for the Y market at SYD these days. Perhaps we could see an A380/A346 combo (that would be VERY welcome!).
TG have shelved plans to operate their A380 down under... The A380s will be deployed on HKG, SIN, LHR, FRA, & CDG... As for the equipment change on the SYD from a A346 to B744 this was due to A346 pilots not satisfied being restricted to the regional routes therefore they operate the A346 to LHR... Yes, politics rule @ TG not management...

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) and Thai Airways are planning to increase capacity on European routes as they take delivery of the remaining A380s from their six-aircraft orders.Both carriers have opted against implementing original plans for deploying any of their initial A380s to Australia.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...er-than-australia-with-a380s-88384

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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:59 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
TG have shelved plans to operate their A380 down under

I read that but it does state that TG could use their A380s to SYD still when they take their last 2 aircraft later in 2013, SYD is still loaded from September 2013 AFAIK. LHR is possible but not certain aswell.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
That tells me that is where the demand is. The A346 has been sent to where the front cabin will be filled. I would ask where? My first guess would be PEK or PVG. SYD apparently fills the back of the plane well though...


It was a straight swap with LHR.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 1):
Higher capacity?

TG went from 21 weekly A346s to 11/12 weekly 744s to SYD. Interesting, they did use 2 class 777s for a while before the A346s aswell, so they have brought back F class in the last few years.
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:07 am

LHR will see A380 pretty much guaranteed IMO as the front is nearly always full in both directions and Y class does well too. TG will make a killing if they have y+ on the route too as it will sell out pretty much on every flight from LHR.

BA and BR also offer Y+ but the arrival time
In BKK is late and less connection options too.

I'm always suprised people assume Thailand is a low yield market, perhaps yes outbound from OZ, but from Europe and especially LHR, there is a sizeable F/J market . Hence the number of high-end resorts
that have opened in Thailand in recent years.
 
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RE: Why Has Thai Changed SYD-BKK From A346 To 744

Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 9):
I'm always suprised people assume Thailand is a low yield market, perhaps yes outbound from OZ, but from Europe and especially LHR, there is a sizeable F/J market . Hence the number of high-end resorts
that have opened in Thailand in recent years.

That's still a low yeilding J. Plenty of that J traffic continues onto australia at heavy discounts over what BA/SQ/QF and even EK charge, and tourist J usually does not command the same premium as corporate accounts. For example, SYD-LHR on Thai is commonly available for about AUD $5000. Its just short of $8 000 on the carriers mentioned above. Sometimes more, and these are at the discounted prices. In fact often thai's F class on this route comes in at comparable prices to the others J. Great for the customer but not so great for Thai.