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Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:04 pm

Breaking news on BBC and NRK (in Norwegian): http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.10855720

Saying a passenger aircraft "landed" on a motorway just outside Moscow and is now on fire. No further information as to airline or aircraft type at this stage.

Anyone have anymore information?
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:07 pm

I just posted on this but you have more info. Its a tu-204 coming into VKO from the Czech Republic
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:12 pm

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/285006960309465088

 
 
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:13 pm

So according to the Norwegian news site the plane is on fire, and no one knows yet how many people on board, or casualties.

Let's hope there are no fatalities...

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:14 pm

BBC is reporting that the plane ran off the runway upon landing.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:16 pm

This is very tragic. May there be some good news on survivors.

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:17 pm

Airline: Red Wings Airways

Came from: Czech republic
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:18 pm

I just saw this on RT.

A/C type is a Tupolev-204

The aircraft looks in really bad shape from what i see on the picture...
I hope there will not be too many casualties...

http://rt.com/news/plane-vnukovo-airport-moscow-073/

      

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:19 pm

image taken from twitter

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Overshot runway, taken from twitter


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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:19 pm

Russian media reports 12 dead - 4 crew, 8 pasenegers. Strange numbers. RIP.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting EliNYC (Reply 10):

Russian media reports 12 dead - 4 crew, 8 pasenegers. Strange numbers. RIP.

Still unconfirmed.

"The plane may have been carrying 12 people: 8 passengers and 4 crew."
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:23 pm

Wikipedia editors on the ball. Sheesh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines#Accidents
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:23 pm

Apologies, other reports say 12 people on board, one dead.

[Edited 2012-12-29 05:24:27]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:24 pm

I don't want to be the pesimistic guy here, but looking at the pictures, the first section of fuselage ( + cockpit ) is just absolutely destroyed...I think, sadly, there is no chance of "Zero Fatalities" in this crash...

R.I.P. to the victims and prayers for their families and friends...

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:25 pm

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Out of 12 people onboard the crash-landed plane 3 people in critical condition, 2 others severely injured
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:26 pm

Russian State television reports that the aircraft was already on fire on approach to land ...

Article in Norwegian:

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.10855720
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:27 pm

In the last 2 months, Red Wings have had 2 other runway excursions in the Tupolev 204...   

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:27 pm

Appears to be RedWings RA-64047. WZ has 9 of the type in fleet. RIP to all involved.
P.S: Per Flightradar24, it has been on WZ9268 from Czech Republic.

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:34 pm

Sorry for all those injured. Without knowing the details though before hand, it was all too predictable. I was predicting either a Russian airliner operating mid winter or a low cost Indonesian/Indian poor weather short haul.
Terrible.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 20):
Without knowing the details though before hand, it was all too predictable. I was predicting either a Russian airliner operating mid winter or a low cost Indonesian/Indian poor weather short haul.

Why ?
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:35 pm

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:35 pm

Here's hoping for the best possible outcome...
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 21):
Why ?

Look through the frequency of aircraft type and location of the most serious civil aviation accidents of the past 10 years.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:37 pm

If the aircraft was on fire already on approach, what could that be ? Engine failure ?


Quoting by738 (Reply 27):
Look through the frequency of aircraft type and location of the most serious civil aviation accidents of the past 10 years.

There has only been 1 accident involving this type of aircraft before and that was without fatalities. So a pretty safe russian aircraft. The type was introduced in 1994.

[Edited 2012-12-29 06:29:33 by SA7700]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:43 pm

I was thinking more in a ferry or test flight, 4 crew for 8 passengers on board a twin jet of that capacity sounds crazy...

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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
There has only been 1 accident involving this type of aircraft before

I meant Russian operated aircraft in general, and given there are so few 204s specifically in operation, to have one accident already is a pretty high hit rate.

[Edited 2012-12-29 05:47:32]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 28):
If the aircraft was on fire already on approach, what could that be ? Engine failure ?

To be honest, you hear with every other airplane incident that someone saw the plane, one or more of its engines, its wing, etc. on fire. Mostly turns out not to be the case - see e.g. Spanair 5022 where multiple eyewitnesses reported the engines had been on fire.
As for this Red Wings flight - the plane appears quite damaged, but it doesn't look like there is any fire damage whatsoever, which I think pretty much rules out the plane being on fire on approach.
Regarding an engine failure - possible, but it's rare for engine failures to cause runway overruns
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:52 pm

2 confirmed dead.

RIP.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:55 pm

Police representative live on Russian news just told that 3 people are dead.

No pax onboard.

Incoming from Pardubice, Czech Republic (PED)

[Edited 2012-12-29 06:08:21 by SA7700]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 33):
but it's rare for engine failures to cause runway overruns

Not really, overruns are rare altogether, but several of them have been caused by engine failures, or engine related issues like failing thrust reversers.
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:02 pm

   and hopefully, the death toll will not increase

This COULD be the approximate site of the crash, reconstructed from the approach path on flightradar24.com and the photo in reply #9.
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:03 pm

Reuters says now 11 crew and no pax on board...

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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:04 pm

Officially confirmed 2 dead, 5 injured, 3 of them in very bad condition.

Hospital representative told that persons passed away are in pilot's uniform.

[Edited 2012-12-29 06:09:36 by SA7700]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting LH648 (Reply 40):
Hospital representative told that persons passed away are in pilot's uniform.




Looking at the picture in reply 9 I am not surprised that both pilots died in the crash. The whole nose section is disintegrated.

May they rest in peace.
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:31 pm

Video of the crash site and aircraft here:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/12/29/nyheter/utenriks/flykrasj/25014856/

Video to the right in the article

[Edited 2012-12-29 06:31:43]


Another posting of the video here:

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.10855720


[Edited 2012-12-29 06:34:13]
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:38 pm

Here is a picture of the aircraft departing from PED today.


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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):
The whole nose section is disintegrated.

I thought the same at first, but is not "disintegrated". Look at the end of the RT video linked by Mortyman in the previous reply, and you will see the cockpit and the first section of fuselage was ripped off the plane and is in front of the wreckage, resting on its left side, but still recognizable.
Confirmed is Reg number RA64047 according the picture in previous reply.

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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:42 pm

Apparently this is the first fatal accident involving a TU-204. Red Wings is the largest operator of the type even after the loss of this aircraft (7).

This single accident will send the TU-204 to the bottom of the safety statistics tables, no doubt....
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:43 pm

RIP.

Quoting aloges (Reply 31):

It is 99% the motorway in the pics. At least it seems like they haven't crashed against any car... in the pictures it looks like the plane literaly ended over half of the motorway! And I guess a 4-lane motorway outside Moscow at 2 PM is not gonna be empty.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:02 pm

The reason for the few passengers is that according to this article:

December 29, 2012 14:23 | Tupolev 204 crashed Pardubice to Moscow Vnukovo to
Tupolev 204 Red Wings (registered RA-64047), which is only manned returning after unloading tourists in Pardubice back to Moscow, slid at 16:35 Moscow time when landing at Vnukovo airport from the runway, broke up and caught fire ( photo from today's departure from Pardubice ). On board the flight RWZ9268, which started at 11 am from the Czech Airport were 12 people. Unfortunately, three were killed, three others suffered serious injuries. On the site affect rescue, Vnukovo airport was temporarily closed after the crash, flights are diverted to other Moscow airports.

Praise god that very few people were involved.    to those who did not make it no matter how few or many, 1 person is too many.
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting Cassi (Reply 38):
Apparently this is the first fatal accident involving a TU-204. Red Wings is the largest operator of the type even after the loss of this aircraft (7).

I thought that an Aviastar TU-204 already crashed last year while landing at DME, also without passengers (ferry flight from Egypt I guess)?
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Oh. My. God.

BBC says 8 pax and 4 crew - is that likely? At least the low count on board has resulted in relatively few casualties, but still a horrifying scene.

Prayers to all involved.
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:23 pm

RT says 4 dead now. As reported, both pilots are dead. The plane took tourists to PED and was returning without pax. Looks like there may have been a fire on the right wing.

"Media allege that Vnukovo firefighting cars were on repair so the first emergency crews appeared on the scene no earlier than 50 minutes after the blaze broke out."

http://rt.com/news/plane-vnukovo-airport-moscow-073/
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting LXa332 (Reply 44):
"Media allege that Vnukovo firefighting cars were on repair so the first emergency crews appeared on the scene no earlier than 50 minutes after the blaze broke out."

Seems very unlikely; the airport would not be able to operate without functioning emergency vehicles.

Can't help wondering what the Russian transport ministry's response to this will be; usually, they tend to be quite draconian in punishing airlines after accidents.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 45):
Seems very unlikely; the airport would not be able to operate without functioning emergency vehicles.

Agreed. Surely the fire would have burned more than only the right wing in 50 minutes, no?
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting LXa332 (Reply 44):
"Media allege that Vnukovo firefighting cars were on repair so the first emergency crews appeared on the scene no earlier than 50 minutes after the blaze broke out."

Very typical explanation. I don't believe it at all. What kind of airport doesn't have at least one operating safety vehicle... if the airport was on fire it would take 50 minutes for the fire brigade to get there? I don't think so.


For years Red Wings management have been expressing their displeasure with the aircraft and how they haven't been able to turn a profit... perhaps a linkage of some sort?

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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:44 pm

It must have been going very, very fast to get that far off the end of the runway, through what looks like a couple of walls and break into pieces like that. Where it has come to rest is 300 meters/1000ft past the very end of the runway surface. Usable runway distance is even further away.

Anybody have an idea of the METAR at the time of the incident? Perhaps a longer than anticipated float down the runway before touching down? An empty aircraft is obviously alot lighter so will handle differently (according to various pilots I've spoken to). Who knows, just throwing in my two kopeks.

Just as well it wasn't full of pax, but still very sad to hear of deaths.

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 30):
Not really, overruns are rare altogether, but several of them have been caused by engine failures, or engine related issues like failing thrust reversers.

I'm aware of that, but I understood "engine failure" in the sense of "engine(s) completely non-operational".
And those are rare to cause overruns.
Overruns themselves aren't that rare, by the way - checking ASN, I found 5 such incidents in the period from October to December this year alone. (And ASN does not even list all runway excursions, only those with loss of life or substantial damage to the airplane.)
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RE: Red Wings TU-204 Crashes On Moscow Motorway

Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:27 pm

Could this been a failed 'go around' ? Perhaps the pilots misjudged their landing point and touched down too far down? What was the weather and visability at the time of the crash?