93Sierra
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Southwest At Eugene

Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:02 pm

Lots of WN metal in Eugene today. Looks to be charters, but I wonder if they would ever consider service to Den, Lax, las, phx
 
Wingtips56
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:14 pm

Probably Oregon State returning from the Alamo Bowl.

Once upon a time, EUG had United and (briefly) AirCal service with B732, but in this day and age, does EUG have the population to support the WN high-frequency, point-to-point model? You'd think AS would have taken the hub service mainline from QX if there was a big enough market.
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:11 pm

Quoting gators312 (Reply 2):

It's 3 flights to PHX, I assume charters to the Fiesta Bowl.

Well, we're both right. {Correction} Two flights came in from SAT, and one apparently ferried from PDX, for the outbounds to PHX.

[Edited 2012-12-30 15:17:00]
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:18 pm

Pre-WN merger Morris Air served EUG. When WN acquired Morris, EUG was dropped along with ANC, COS, DEN, FAT, IFP, and PSP. Since then, only DEN has been brought back out of the seven cities dropped (Morris served 21 cities in total).

I don't think that EUG would work today for WN, as it's AS/QX territory, and AS will go out of their way to defend that part of the country (remember the WN at BFI fiasco).
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Since then, only DEN has been brought back out of the seven cities dropped (Morris served 21 cities in total).

Not really accurate at all. DEN was WN city from 83-86 before leaving. So it wasn't so much bringing DEN back from the Morris cities, but return to a former WN city.

As far as the topic at hand. EUG could find itself in the WN system down the road. There isn't any option between PDX and SMF, so it could provide a nice filler with a few flights a day.
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 1):
does EUG have the population to support the WN high-frequency, point-to-point model?

Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...

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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:47 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
I don't think that EUG would work today for WN, as it's AS/QX territory, and AS will go out of their way to defend that part of the country

  
[quote=ouboy79,reply=5]As far as the topic at hand. EUG could find itself in the WN system down the road. There isn't any option between PDX and SMF, so it could provide a nice filler with a few flights a day.

This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
Like DSM's 2 flights a day, EYW's 2 flights a day, PWM's 3 flights a day, CRP's 5 flights a day, etc? The "high-frequency, point-to-point model went out the window awhile ago...

  
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:03 pm

The EUG metro will probably hit 400K in the next decade, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, EUG is a three-hour drive from PDX so it already splits a lot of its catchment with PDX. But who know? WN continues to evolve so it could happen.
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:02 pm

UA has had on again off again mainlines service from SFO-EUG. I flew it a few times in maybe 2001-2003? 737-500s if I recall correctly.

Eugene to Portland is hardly a 3 hour drive, more like 2 and 1:45 if you hustle.
As much as I hope they get regular mainline again someday (not counting Allegiant or similar), I think the Q400 service of Horizon is as good as it's going to get for a while.

EUG is a cool airport, nice setup out there.
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting phxmkeflyer (Reply 8):
This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 9):
The EUG metro will probably hit 400K in the next decade, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, EUG is a three-hour drive from PDX so it already splits a lot of its catchment with PDX. But who know? WN continues to evolve so it could happen.

If WN were to start a token presence at EUG in the future, I would think a couple daily flights to OAK would make the most sense. This would provide great connectivity to southern California, LAS, PHX, and a few others as well as serving Bay area O&D. Other than OAK the only thing that would make much sense out of EUG would be LAS or DEN, but both those are longer stage lengths. LAS and DEN do offer a lot more connectivity than OAK, particularly to non-west coast destinations. Thoughts on this?
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:19 pm

Way way back in the day, AA had a tag-on PDX - EUG with an MD-80. Those were the days!
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:31 pm

Back in the day, UA also did mainline to DEN. Flew on more than a few 727s on that route over the years. Especially with the growth of Allegiant, EUG is becoming more of a leisure-driven airport. Usually, it's cheaper to fly out of PDX even considering parking costs (although not always -- my next trip to PTY will be out of EUG, since it was way cheaper than PDX with a better schedule).
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:33 pm

Allegiant has enjoyed the loads on the EUG to PHX/AZA flights. WN with 1 daily to the following PHX, DEN, LAX, LAS, and maybe something like MDW to allow connects ..... Horizon flights are very full leaving EUG. Happy New Years
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:08 pm

EUG-LAX was tried a couple of times in the past (QX, I believe?) and it didn't last. I really don't see any way that EUG-MDW could work out, but perhaps to PHX/DEN/LAS. For a market of its size and relative proximity to other options in PDX, however, EUG is pretty well served.
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting phxmkeflyer (Reply 8):
This market wouldn't work, especially for WN. AS could better serve this market with Horizon.

I'm thinking fairly long term, nothing in the near future. Much better fish to fry first.

Quoting flashmeister (Reply 15):
EUG-LAX was tried a couple of times in the past (QX, I believe?) and it didn't last. I really don't see any way that EUG-MDW could work out, but perhaps to PHX/DEN/LAS. For a market of its size and relative proximity to other options in PDX, however, EUG is pretty well served.

Yeah MDW seems to much of a stretch, if you are just doing it for connections. DEN is a much closer and better option. G4 has proven that there is a market there, so PHX/LAS could fit in nicely. Could pretty easily make it work with 4-5 flights a day once other opportunities are tackled and WN looks for other cities to fill the gaps.
 
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RE: Southwest At Eugene

Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:01 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 11):
If WN were to start a token presence at EUG in the future, I would think a couple daily flights to OAK would make the most sense.

I'd agree with you Iowaman, EUG-OAK 2x daily makes the most sense along with perhaps 1 daily to LAS.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 14):
WN with 1 daily to the following PHX, DEN, LAX, LAS, and maybe something like MDW to allow connects

Should WN serve EUG, it won't be for at least a few years, as WN is fleet neutral and what growth they are doing is focused on connecting the FL dots to WN and into the Caribbean/Mexico. If anything, the trend for WN to reduce its capacity in the Pac NW is likely to continue.

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