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Turkish Aviation January 2013

Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:02 pm

HAPPY NEW YEAR, to all our Aviation friends here!!!!

We leave behind 2012 and hoping for a happy, peaceful 2013.



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2012 ended with significant orders from the Turkish duo; 15+5 77Ws and 15 333s for TK and 75+25 NEOs for Pegasus.
Congratulations to both companies!

Just to recap 2012 mildly for Turkish Aviation;
-Besides TK's WB order, TK suggested an order for 100 NB beginning of 2013.
-Also in works, a brand new Istanbul airport North of the city, we might see a groundbreaking in 2013, up to 5 interested developers as of now.
-TK launched many routes in 2012 and there are talks for 30+ more destinations in 2013; (in order of possible inaugural dates)

Libreville, Colombo, Luxor, Aswan, Houston, Gassim, Rotterdam, Abha, Santiago De Compostela, Malta, Salzburg, Asmara, Marseille, Constanta, Tallinn, Vilnius, Luxembourg, Kharkov, Luanda, Abuja, Kano, Caracas, Mexico City, Boston, Havana, San Fransisco, Montreal, Kuala Lumpur, Ndjamena, Juba, Kathamndu, Mazar-i Sharif, Friedrichshafen, Lankaran, Bogota, Aqaba, Bamako

Let's see in a year if all these become true. Since I like fact checking, last year this time TK said that they will increase African destinations to 35 in 2012 and they pretty much achieved it. So far Manila, Atlanta never came true and it is not on TK's above list.

-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.
-Many frequencies went up. Can you believe TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA, 44 x weekly to London area, 32 X weekly to TLV?
-When said and done, TK will finish 2012 with 40Million pax. TK predicts to carry 46M pax in 2013.
-In terms of TK fleet; in 2013 we will see a net of 14 frames coming into the fleet to bring the total to 214 jets.
2 x 333s, 9 x 321s, 6 x 738s, 1 x 739, 2 x 332Fs will arrive while
3 x 734s, 1 x 737-700, 1 x 319 and 1 x 310F will leave the fleet.
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.
-Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.
-In terms of rumors; we still yet to confirm if TK is in the market to lease 7 x 777s until owned frames arrive in 2014 AND, we still yet to confirm if the ordered 15+5 77Ws will not have the Comfort Class.


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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:50 pm

According to TK sources the new direct sceduled flights to following destination will be initiated from ESB quite soon, most probably with the coming summer timetable;

London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW), Paris CDG (That will kill AF's plans to reinstate ESB in a short while at least), Rome FCO (AZ already announced they are starting thrice weekly to ESB on 25 March so TK may reconsider), Kiev, Medina, Mecca

4 more destinations to follow later in the year to bring the number of international destinations fom16 to 20

A regional hub at ESB will help TK to ease a little bit of pressure at IST most particularly from these trunk routes to destinations in Turkey and will give some free slots to TK at IST to utilize more on new long haul international network.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:26 am

Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

Anyway, will mention this.......close to 75,000 Filipinos live in Greece. And with Singapore and Thai both eliminating Athens service, this eliminates two connection options. A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:41 am

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
A PR/TK MNL-IST-ATH option equals anything else currently out there, at the very least, and could possibly be even better.

you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
TK flies 49 x weekly to FRA,

just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Atlasjet to open bunch of new domestic routes, they might bring in more planes to do this.

KK has 15 orders for the CS300. once realized and delivered this will bring a whole different dimension to Turkish domestic aviation.
it is also quite interesting to see them expanding ex SAW.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-2012 saw for the first time 3 x daily IST-JFK flights ( 2 x 77W, 1 x 333). Starting early March 2013 the same is true.
-Also last year UA started EWR-IST. Let's see how they do after a year and if DL can keep IST open.

add the 3x weekly AC flight to YYZ
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:10 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
London (Not clear as to which airport, LHR is much needed but slot restrictions might push TK to use STN or LGW),

By the way, Star Alliance got the terminal 2 from BAA. All Star carriers will move to LHR terminal two. This might create further opportunities to get more slots.

"Once the new Terminal 2 opens in 2014, the 23 Star Alliance member carriers operating at Heathrow will move in various stages from their current locations."

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/heathrow-airport-prp/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:06 pm

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 4):

I hope so LHR T2 can provide good connections exLHR to all Star * pax of course. LHR is a very important destination for TK and TK will benefit form this a great deal from this consolidation.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 2):
Someone was mentioning on the previous thread about Philippine Airlines' upcoming service from Manila to Istanbul, but the thread was locked......

In the tradition of "Turkish Aviation" threads, I start a new thread the first day of the month and the previous months' thread gets archived which makes "searches" easier. You can go search a month and a year easier than let's say "thread #23". But I also mentioned the PAL route on the original thread;

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Also in 2013 we will see AC flying to IST and PAL flying from Manila. Let's see how this will affect TK's long haul plans.

Also,

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
just a slight correct, this is together with the codeshares on LH equipment. nevertheless, we get the point and its amazing how frequencies went up in recent years

Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment? Thanks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Thanks Stylo, how many of those are on LH equipment?

21 iso 3 daily flights
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 7):

Thanks,

TK33/34, Houston flights start in April and for the first 3 months they are running a special. Economy RT tickets IST-IAH for $518 including taxes. Friends in Houston say they are advertising this heavily.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:17 am

HI Guys,

First of all great summary , really like the TK aviation threads,

Just wondering if any of you'll have heard the same

As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

Karan
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:44 pm

Quoting karan69 (Reply 9):
As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W for the 777s these wil be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leases expire

Any idea where TK intends to use them as they will probably be with F class

in fact, if this is true two of the four birds have been already with TK on previous lease (HS-TKT/TKS)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:10 pm

Happy New Year every one.   

Lets see what excitement 2013 brings to the Turkish aviation scene.


This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

*data is for demand traveling in both directions. For example, NYC total figure encompass local demand from New York to Istanbul as well as demand from Istanbul to New York. To determine PDEW (passenger daily each way) divide the total by 2.


Its also interesting to note the amazing growth of local US-Turkey traffic has seen in the last 10-years. For example back in 2001 not even 100,000 people flew between NYC and Turkey, and now the count is over 250,000 !
Add in huge and growing transit traffic, the numbers are even more impressive.

Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:39 pm

"Turkey has truly become both a global transportation hub and a significant local home market."

How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Why does the growth of one hub has to be at the expense of another? Isn't global air traffic increasing?

When the economy of one country develops - does it actually worsen (or help) or economy of another?

Istanbul and TK have grown tremendously ... and as a result, IST is a madhouse these days  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:07 pm

Happy New Year to everyone!

Flew DAC-IST-JFK on New Year's Day ... the flights were on time, but service was drastically different.

IST-JFK ... flew Y+ ... amazing service, the legroom, amenities, large lavatory, and large food portions will make me miss this service whenever I fly something else. Great product ... flight was 100% full.

DAC-IST ... no Y+. Y was 100% full ... only 2 passengers in C. We got a terrible old A332 ... did not even have personal IFE. The interior lights were also not working properly. The flight attendants kept avoiding questions about the condition of the plane. I guess they knew the situation already. Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

But DAC seems to be sending a lot of connecting traffic. Atleast 26 people I counted on the JFK flight were from DAC alone ... that's close to one-tenth of the 77W! I wonder when will DAC get proper frames ... I don't think I'm going to fly this route on TK again unless I'm sure that newer planes are being used. The competition EK/EY/QR are providing much better and frequent service.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12

This is amazing! BOS seems to have more than SFO or MIA ... and more than double of SEA, DFW, ATL, etc ... big big hubs. It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
It is strange that BOS is yet to get a TK or the Big 3 service from the ME (EK/EY/QR).

Wait a few more months. Rumor has it EK will launch BOS in June or July of this year.

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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):

quite interesting to see them operating this route exclusively with the two former QR 332 TC-JNF/JNG
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk712
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:20 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37

Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:54 am

B77W utilization for S13

The following is the currently loaded flight program for the 12-strong TK B77W fleet for S13:

TK001 IST JFK 1315 1650 - block 10.35 - daily
TK002 JFK IST 1850 1140 - block 09.50 - daily

TK009 IST LAX 1245 1630 - block 13.45 - daily
TK010 LAX IST 1820 1710 - block 12.50 - daily

TK011 IST JFK 1820 2155 - block 10.35 - daily
TK012 JFK IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - daily

TK015 IST GRU 0930 1705 - block 13.35 - 4 weekly
TK015 GRU EZE 1820 2105 - block 02.45 - 4 weekly
TK016 EZE GRU 2300 0150 - block 02.50 - 4 weekly
TK016 GRU IST 1310 2135 - block 12.25 - 4 weekly

TK017 IST YYZ 1315 1725 - block 11.10 - 5 weekly
TK018 YYZ IST 2355 1645 - block 09.50 - 5 weekly

TK020 IST PEK 0035 1505 - block 09.30 - daily
TK021 PEK IST 0010 0525 - block 10.25 - daily

TK026 IST PVG 0035 1550 - block 10.15 - daily
TK027 PVG IST 2245 0545 - block 12.00 - daily

TK033 IST IAH 1305 1805 - block 13.00 - 4 weekly
TK034 IAH IST 1950 1555 - block 12.05 - 4 weekly

TK050 IST NRT 1655 1010 - block 11.15 - daily
TK051 NRT IST 1140 1745 - block 12.05 - daily

TK070 IST HKG 0055 1620 - block 10.25 - 6 weekly
TK071 HKG IST 2325 0545 - block 11.20 - 6 weekly

Total weekly utilization for this flight program adds up to 1,391 hours 25 min in block time for an average daily utilization rate of 16 hours 34 minutes per frame, which is very high by all standards. TK has an overnight operational spare overnight at IST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, but on any other day all aircraft are scheduled. The relatively long ground times in PEK, PVG and HKG make those flights to most susceptible for delays, as TK can delay the late evening departure until the arrival of an aircraft the next morning with relatively minor impact on the overall operational stability.

If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away. Although TK could operate daily to HKG with the current fleet, such as move would seriously jeopardize operational reliability by reducing the operational spare capacity to just one frame on one night per week.

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:00:17]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:01:12]

[Edited 2013-01-03 21:03:35]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:03 am

Happy New Year to you all,

Interesting figures out TK is making its move slowly or quickly into the top ten world biggest airlines, It has jumped 7 places from 22 in Dec 2011 to 15 in Dec 2012 well done here is the link http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-lion-air-the-biggest-movers-93047

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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:37 am

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

While global traffic pie has grown, TK along with the likes of EK have certainly effected established carriers and disrupted previous demand flows.

In Turkey's particular case, not only has THY developed into a significant hub operator, but maybe more importantly Turkey since the 1980s has seen tremendous economic growth which has spurred huge growth in consumer activity including air travel demand.

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):
Seems TK is using DAC as a low yield, second grade destination.

In fairness you somewhat answered this comment. With mere 2 people in C class, you can see that the market is not quite one that demands very high end product. If TK has an all economy aircraft, DAC might very well be perfect for such offer.

The practical reality is markets like JFK, LHR, NRT etc, will get the new and high end products. And this is not just by TK, but by most airlines. Their premier aircraft will operate on ones premier revenue routes.

Though I agree with you that it would be nice to have a more consistent product across fleet types in things like seats and IFE offerings. Alas this is a weak point with TK seeing so much growth and a diverse fleet coming from different pedigrees.

Quoting radiopolitic (Reply 17):
Interesting that given this info theyre deciding to launch Houston ahead of wishlist destinations such as Boston and SF.

Keep in mind that local O&D is only part of the equation that is looked at. Matter of fact many recent TK routes - especially ones to Africa have virtually no existing local markets, but rely wholly on connection traffic flow.

Anyhow, I personally think IAH has a few reasons why it was launched so fast - first its a Star hub, but more importantly, two Turkish ministers visited Houston on separate occasions and were strongly courted and came home with the idea in their head that TK needed to serve IAH.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
If the deal for additional leased frames materializes, I would expect HKG to be made into a daily flight right away.

Its bilateral limited.

TK was only able to increase it from 4 to 6x weekly in 2010. TK was able to get an extra bilateral (7th) frequency for W12, but HK did not authorize the same for S13.

I think unless CX resumes IST some time soon, I don't believe HK authorities are too open to increasing this any further at this time.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:25 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
you still have the Gulf carriers in this equation. EK/EY/QR all three have atleast one daily to ATH and two daily flights to MNL. quite a competion in my eyes.

True, to an extent.....but EK also now has convenient service from Adelaide to DXB.........in fact, EK has flights from at least FOUR Australian cities now. More Aussies on EK will fill up the DXB-ATH portion up a bit quicker than last year, meaning less seats for Filipinos and others.

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 12):
How has TK been able to attract people away from London, Paris, Frankfurt as a hub?

Two things. First of all, they serve cities that LHR/FRA/CDG don't have, particularly in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Places like Sochi, Donetsk, and cities in Iran other then Tehran, etc.. Secondly, the taxes at LHR are hideous. CDG/FRA are better, but they are still less than any of the above.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

Seattle has fairly high numbers due to Microsoft and Boeing. In the case of Boeing, there is a lot of training and administrative issues, and you have TK employees, as well as personnel from the Turkish Air Force, coming here.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:35 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36
11) Seattle - 31
12) Washington-ESB - 25
13) Orlando - 23
14 Dallas - 23
15) Detroit - 19
16) Denver - 18
17) Philledelphia - 16
18) San Diego - 16
19) Las Vegas - 15
20) Phoenix - 12
21) Chicago-ESB - 12
22) Tampa - 9
23) Portland - 9
24) Charlotte - 9
25) Boston-ESB - 9
26) Raleigh - 8
27) Cleveland - 8
28) Cincinnati - 7
29) St Louis - 7
30) Pittsburgh - 7
31) Salt Lake - 6
32) Columbus -6
33) Austin - 6
34) Washington-ADA - 6
35) Minneapolis - 6
36) Kansas City - 5
37) San Antonio - 5
38) Indianapolis - 5
39) Jacksonville - 4
40) Nashville - 4
41) Memphis - 4
42) Norfolk - 4
43) Seattle-ESB - 4
44) Dallas-ESB -4
45) Buffalo - 3
46) Rochester - 3
47) Oklahoma City - 3
48) Nashville-Diyarbakir - 3
49) Tulsa - 2
50) Tucson - 2

Let's see how long before a certain Turkish member publishes this in his website...

Great source of information though...
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:04 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

Thank you for including the numbers from ESB to various US destinations.

ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

This month for statistics I will post the Top-50 Turkey-US O&D markets.
Unless noted all counts are for Istanbul.

1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80

LAXintl can you please explain more about this table? What exactly are the numbers? Daily two way total passenger average?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 23):
ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.

Agreed. Plus with AnadoluJet feeding ESB from various domestic cities, it could easily grow to daily...
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:01 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
for an average daily utilization rate of 16 hours 34 minutes per frame

Thanks for posting this again.
For comparison; when HB-IWC did this 77W utilization back in March 2011, average rate was 12 hours 41 minutes. At that time there was concern that there was too much down time for the 77W fleet.
4 hour more daily use per frame, WOW... as if TK received another few frames almost.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
Anyhow, I personally think IAH has a few reasons why it was launched so fast - first its a Star hub, but more importantly, two Turkish ministers visited Houston on separate occasions and were strongly courted and came home with the idea in their head that TK needed to serve IAH.

I lived there for sometime back in the 80's and even then there was a Turkish Diplomatic mission in the city. Also Houston is huge for Oil, Healthcare and Higher Education and there must be the usual connecting pax.
Looking at the list again, SFO, BOS and MIA looks pretty strong. Especially BOS and MIA could be 332 destinations with easier availability of aircraft.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
1) New York - 623
2) Los Angeles - 176
3) Washington - 160
4) Chicago - 121
5) Boston - 80
6) San Francisco - 70
7) Miami - 68
8) NYC-ESB - 45
9) Houston - 37
10) Atlanta - 36

About ESB-JFK 3 x weekly;
Just look at the numbers one more time. I think SFO, MIA, BOS from IST has to come before this ESB flight. I can even see a JFK-SAW ahead of a JFK-ESB flight. Am I that far off?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:12 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 25):

North America ESB service can also further feed eastbound international service to IKA, Baghdad etc.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:05 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
In fairness you somewhat answered this comment. With mere 2 people in C class, you can see that the market is not quite one that demands very high end product. If TK has an all economy aircraft, DAC might very well be perfect for such offer.

Agreed 100%. I realized that too (and was disappointed to see just the 2 passengers in C). I'm sure even EK and QR also use the older planes for DAC and better products in Europe and USA. But even the economy class product needs to be at par with the competition and what TK stands for as a global airline. No IFE, worn seats, and old planes would soon affect the market response.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 15):
Wait a few more months. Rumor has it EK will launch BOS in June or July of this year.

I'm hearing this, too. But with such a new addition for Boston (route/airline) I'm wondering why they haven't declared their intentions before now with a press release? Surely this needs some PR muscle behind it, and enough advance notice so that the selling of seats can occur. If Emirates is indeed coming to Boston this June, I'd have thought they'd give themselves more than 5-6 months visibility by announcing this 'officially' a month or two ago.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:06 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 23):
ESB deserves a thrice weekly direct service to JFK by TK.

Maybe one day, but I don't believe we are anywhere close yet based on passenger demand.

Today's numbers are easily handled over existing service at other gateways (IST, and European connection hubs).

Also just because you add a flight does not mean you will capture the existing flow - you might only capture 50%. Also ESB is not exactly a "hot" destination, so the ability to stimulate new demand will be limited. Lastly, need to look at the revenue picture. For example the average revenue earned on ESB-JFK ticket was 14% less then a IST-JFK ticket., so the yields are worse in Ankara.

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 24):
LAXintl can you please explain more about this table? What exactly are the numbers? Daily two way total passenger average?

Yes its the average daily local passenger counts between the cities. Excludes transfer flow.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 25):
Agreed. Plus with AnadoluJet feeding ESB from various domestic cities, it could easily grow to daily...

But there is virtually no demand from other domestic points to NYC. Just look at my list. You only might get a random single passenger here or there. Not much feed.

Also the international feed at ESB and its schedule timing would be tiny compared to the opportunities TK IST has.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 26):
About ESB-JFK 3 x weekly;
Just look at the numbers one more time. I think SFO, MIA, BOS from IST has to come before this ESB flight. I can even see a JFK-SAW ahead of a JFK-ESB flight. Am I that far off?

  

SAW could be interesting as a secondary hub is built up there. Remember about 2009-2010 CO seriously looked at adding SAW-EWR flight on its 767-200s, so for TK to do it would be even easier today.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:57 pm

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...pageID=238&nID=38403&NewsCatID=338
RTE to tour Africa; Gabon, Niger and Senegal;
Any idea if this be with the government 319, or 739ER or 332/343 type?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:06 pm

Nice to see that the airline is doing well into 2013, in the UK the airlines has been advertising on TV quite a lot with this advert.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TURKISHAIRLINES

The ad also states that they have won "The Best Airline in Europe" award, it is however offered by SkyTrax.

I wish them well for the future.  
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:45 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 14):

Thats strange since they are flying their new A333s to Kabul.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:03 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 33):
Thats strange since they are flying their new A333s to Kabul.

Higher fares, higher yields... That's pretty much where TK sends their new airplanes... TK still has a few 737+400 and you only see them do domestic flights and mainly to the Eastern part of the country...
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Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:23 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 34):
Higher fares, higher yields... That's pretty much where TK sends their new airplanes... TK still has a few 737+400 and you only see them do domestic flights and mainly to the Eastern part of the country...

...as well as three A319s (ex IzAir) doing the same Eastern Turkey missions.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:21 pm

Kabul flights draw lots of high fare traffic including healthy business class loads.

With TK being one of only a few travel options, lots of foreigners from diplomats, NGO employees, journalist, and business men etc, use the TK flights.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:49 am

TK extending Male to Colombo acc to airlineroute.net. Posting this on mobile so can't copy further details now.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 37):
TK extending Male to Colombo acc to airlineroute.net. Posting this on mobile so can't copy further details now.

Here you go

till 31JAN13
TK730 IST2025 – 0710+1MLE 330 x15
TK731 MLE0845 – 1410IST 330 x26

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TK730 IST0015 – 1100MLE1215 – 1415CMB 330 3
TK730 IST0110 – 1155MLE1310 – 1510CMB 330 x236

TK731 CMB2140 – 2240MLE0010+1 – 0545+1IST 330 x37



http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/08/tk-cmb-feb13/
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:42 pm

I know it is off the current topic, but I thought I will point out a minor photoshop error on the TK website. In picture number 1 of the slideshow section titled, 'FLY WITH THE BEST', you can see Kobe Bryant and Leo Messi sitting in business class, with a flight attendant and a chef behind them. This isn't the problem, but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger? 
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Quoting Fuling (Reply 39):
but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger? 

The same ball is used by both Messi and Kobe, which is indeed the same symbol used in any number of recent TK ads. See here for example: http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...movie_archive/istanbul_europe.aspx

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 38):
Here you go

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Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:24 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 40):
The same ball is used by both Messi and Kobe, which is indeed the same symbol used in any number of recent TK ads.

I have seen the adverts, I just thought it was strange because Kobe Bryant plays basketball.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:42 pm

Quoting Fuling (Reply 41):
I have seen the adverts, I just thought it was strange because Kobe Bryant plays basketball.

I know. That ball is neither a football nor a basketball but a globe fashioned into a ball with the TK logo on it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 37):
TK extending Male to Colombo

Colombo, one more city from the wish list coming true. Congratulations to TK.
I wonder if I asked this before, but is it not possible to fly this route with 739ER? I am not sure about the loads in Male or Colombo but 330 seems like a big of a plane for the route.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 39):
This isn't the problem, but why is Kobe Bryant spinning a soccerball on his finger?

I don't see the point here. We all know who is the basketball player, who is the soccer player, what a soccer ball looks like, what a basketball looks like.... Those two red spheres are not supposed to be sports balls but "The Globe" according to TK.
The theme is, "The Globe is at your fingertips" or "Globally Yours"
Unless you are talking about the very detail about the pentagon stitching on Kobe's ball.....still not a soccer ball.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):

No way for a 739  
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
I wonder if I asked this before, but is it not possible to fly this route with 739ER? I am not sure about the loads in Male or Colombo but 330 seems like a big of a plane for the route.

IST-MLE should be filled with touristis, honeymooners and vacationers from all over Europe with one-stop only. There are limited options from Europe to MLE. Of course, the same goes for Northamerica...

CLB however is more a VFR destination; thus, one stop or two doesn't really matter as long as the price is right. If I remember correctly there are significant numbers of Sri Lankan living in especially Italy, but also in Germany and UK. Those should generate enough traffic to fill this plane.

Quoting emrecan (Reply 44):
No way for a 739

quite a stretch, that's for sure, but impossible? I've my doubts since a low density configuration as well as extra fuel tanks are installed on those aircraft
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 45):

Thanks Stylo777,
Also I forgot to ask, even if the 739ERs can do it, what is the situation with ETOPS and TK 739s?
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 43):
Unless you are talking about the very detail about the pentagon stitching on Kobe's ball

Yes that what I thought. To me it looks more like a TK coloured soccerball, hence the post. I suppose it can be a globe too.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:11 am

LBV is going to happen very soon. An operational readiness team was in LBV at the end of 2012 ...

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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2013

Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:39 am

Yes Gabon is happening.

It was virtually announced today as Turkish prime minister and delegation of 300 business men are there today.
They inaugurated the Embassy in Libreville, which is an essential precursor to TK service.

They also made specific mention fast growing trade with the region and how Turkey successfully uses the "soft power" of TK to help open up new doors of commerce for Turkish companies.
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