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Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:42 am

Good morning everyone and a very happy, safe and healthy new year to you all.

Well, 2012 has certainly been an interesting year in Irish aviation; the highlights are too many to list here, but it certainly has been a year of more positives than negatives; in just over a week, we'll mark the 1st anniversary of the first Emirates flights to DUB (can it be a year already!) and we also saw the end of year on year declines in traffic. DUB and Aer Lingus experienced growth and apart from Emirates, we saw a fair number of new routes either launched or announced for next year.

The first half of 2013 (i.e. now!) sees us holding the presidency of the EU, so that will certainly give economic growth a boost, and of course, we have the Gathering.

There are good reasons to be optimistic - of course, good reasons to be more cautious, but I have a good feeling about this year!

I wish you all the best for the year and without further ado, let's move onto our first new thread of 2013 ...
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:13 am

Happy New Year  

Shannon really needs to come up with the goods now or it will have egg on its face. Lets hope that there is some good leadership skills and they aggressively go out and get the business. This has the potential to be very positive for SNN so lets hope it works out .
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:47 am

Varadkar has already ruled out a sweetheart deal from Ryanair, so unsure where the shannon traffic will come from. The first major investment in Shannon will have to be the runway overlay - that will cost tens of millions, so hopefully the Shannon cash will be spent wisely.
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:00 pm

Cant see SNN doing any better just due to the change of nameplate. Still in the wrong place to get traffic but best of luck to them in 2013.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Attention now turns to merging the new SAA with a restructured Shannon Development by 1st July. EI sponsored two return SNN-USA tickets to one lucky passenger at the airport this morning to celebrate the independence of the airport. No doubt EI along with others are looking forward to reduced operational and landing charges here.

Quoting Shannon Airport]Tuesday, January 1st, 2013: Shannon Airport is today celebrating the beginning of a new era for Ireland’s most historic airport as it officially became an independent entity overnight.

Separation officially took place at 11.59p.m. last night, with the first passengers to transit through the newly autonomous airport arriving on board the Aer Lingus EI-110 flight from JFK at 5.08 a.m. this morning.

The airport will commence operations on a solid footing by way of a debt free balance sheet and a business plan with an immediate focus on growing passenger numbers and route development.[/quote]

http://www.shannonairport.com/gns/ab...t_celebrates_Independence_Day.aspx


[quote=dstc47 (Reply 3):
Cant see SNN doing any better just due to the change of nameplate.

Surely though it wasn't sustainable for SNN to operate under a company with the country's main airport as its primary entity? If an airline came to the DAA looking to start service to either DUB or SNN would the DAA be pitching both of them evenly or would they lean more towards DUB? Personally I think the "Dublin Airport Authority" name alone answers that question.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:38 am

Nice picture of a Carvair on the front page:


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If someone were asked "what was the best aircraft Aer Lingus ever operated?", there would be quite a few to choose from - the F27, Viscount, 737, 747, 707, A330 and a few more besides, but if someone were asked the worst, the Carvair would probably top the list (maybe the Viking, too) ... in the words of one of its first pilots: "a bloody awful aeroplane, it really was".
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
but if someone were asked the worst, the Carvair would probably top the list (maybe the Viking, too) ... in the words of one of its first pilots: "a bloody awful aeroplane, it really was".

Agreed...the Carvair was a dodgy niche aircraft. It was a bad idea from the start.......on the other hand the Viking was foisted on EI as part of a deal and was a downright bad aircraft.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:51 am

Just at DUB now, waiting for the EI 230 to LGW; humungous queues this morning; took about 20 minutes, snaking back and forth, to get to a desk; security queue not much better. Still, just waiting for my flight call and on my way.

Weather not looking too great for JER ... would not at all upset if I had to spend a night at LGW at BA's expense ...  
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
Surely though it wasn't sustainable for SNN to operate under a company with the country's main airport as its primary entity? If an airline came to the DAA looking to start service to either DUB or SNN would the DAA be pitching both of them evenly or would they lean more towards DUB? Personally I think the "Dublin Airport Authority" name alone answers that question.

Well we may differ on this.
DUB is and will be the principal focus for air service to Ireland, not because of any conspiracy, or naming conventions, but simply because the bulk of inward and outward traffic want to reach the Dublin area and not Shannon.

True then, true today and true tomorrow, whatever SNN management regime applies. For most of the period of common ownership, or common management of the three State Airports, the overall management entity had a neutral name e.g. Aer Rianta, without any particular difference in the situation for SNN. While I am aware of cases where carriers were told to serve SNN also, when they wanted to serve DUB only. (All through the Shannon stopover period this applied to various US carriers, - mostly with the effect that those carriers served nowhere in Ireland at all). I am not, however, aware of any case where a carrier wishing to serve SNN was ever "lured" to DUB. This was not because DUB or the corporate headquarters were so clever as to conceal this but because airline managers, however stupid, look at the metrics behind a Shannon operation and found Dublin, and even Cork usually worked better. Only if SNN can cut operational costs, basically labour costs, to the levels of OCK or KIR will they have something to offer. Sadly, this is still likely still only to interest weaker, or predatory, carriers in search of free or subsidised landing rights and unable or unwilling to continue when concessions vanish.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):

Yep was the same when I was there last week too.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:42 pm

2013 is the year [October to be precise] BFS celebrates their 50th anniversary as a civilian airport,

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/new...ns-to-mark-golden-anniversary.html

I hope BFS can secure and announce a new direct long haul destination to top their celebrations, AUH & BFS.

Also:

http://www.worldairlineawards.com/Awards_2012/regionaleur.htm

RE came 4th place in "Best European regional airline" nice achievement, I am sure EI should have some credit for that.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:49 pm

Labour Court recommends new pension arrangements at Aer Lingus

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The Labour Court has recommended that the general structure of the new pension arrangements at Aer Lingus, which were proposed by the company, be accepted.

These are interim recommendations, and relate to the resolution of pension deficit and other related matters at the airline.

The Labour Court has also recommended that the pension scheme be coordinated with the State pension.
Unions had argued that the effect of coordination would disproportionately hit those on lower levels of pensionable pay.

Lets hope theres some movement in the right direction on this one, it's been going on far too long.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0102/lab...pension-arrangements-business.html
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 10):

If RE are fourth I dread to think what the rest are like! While RE crew are, almost universally, a friendly, courteous and generally great bunch and a pleasure to fly with, the RE fleet and timekeeping certainly are not. It's sad to read the skytrax reviews, very frequently the EIR flights are late and the cabins are pointed out as shabby/dirty. I have to say this does mirror my experience with RE. I don't think it is the fleet, per se. The oldest 500 is less than 5 years old, I honestly believe that these machines suffered from lack of preventative maintenance before, during and possibly after the examinership. They are still woefully unreliable. Indeed, EI operated some of the oldest, highest cycle A330s on the planet so age and cycles are not necessarily an excuse.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:27 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 12):

Yes I agree EI is able to achieve longevity and reliability of it's aircraft as the result of a excellent maintenance program. We saw that with the incredible performance of thier 747-100 fleet. Now about the catering...
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:06 am

Just a random question here if EI are going to expand there long haul in the US where would they go to? Im guessing SFO and YYZ.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 14):
Im guessing SFO and YYZ.

Unfortunately, SFO is out (as is anywhere else on the west coast); the govt would love them to fly to SFO, but has now been courting UA to do this - sadly with little success so far.

YYZ is far more likely, but is not likely to happen this year. They have instead added capacity to existing routes, particularly BOS and ORD.

During the depths of the recession, many of us were concerned about the A350 being too big for the airline's routes. I suspect that at this stage, with two full summer seasons to go before the A350 arrives, in 2015, EI is probably thinking it's not soon enough. Two are due in the first half and two in the second half of 2015, with two more in 2016.

In other news, the three EI A320s which will be operating the Virgin flights are EI-CVA, B and C.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:44 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):

But is there demand for EI going to SFO? Was the economic downturn the reason EI axed the west coast or was it low pax but with a great year for long haul last year and hopefully better this year would EI rethink SFO or LAX ?.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:39 pm

What about DUB-EWR? EI operated it before (pre-9/11 I believe) and now that UA has transferred the second daily EWR flight to IAD, could EI team up with them to offer an early afternoon flight? Would 3 daily DUB-NYC be too much for EI considering AA are soon joining them (as well as DL and UA) on the route?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 16):
But is there demand for EI going to SFO?

Demand is not the problem, but demand at yields high enough to cover all the operating costs is.

I think EI will still stay focused on adding additional capacity on core markets such as JFK,BOS,ORD where they will make more money than trying another destination. They will only expand to new cities if they have additional aircraft beyond what these core markets can take.

I don't think YYZ will be a future EI route either, AC will add DUB to it's new Rouge leisure network eventually and maybe EI will code share on this.

What do you guys think of EI adding additional seats to some/all of it's A330 fleet to improve the economics on long haul mostly leisure markets such as YYZ,LAX etc?
Seat technology has advanced where you can get thinner seats at a tighter pitch and still maintain leg room comfort levels.
Air Berlin would be my example of having 303 new slimmer seats on a 330-200 versus EI's 275.
http://www.airberlin.com/site/pressreleases_dr.php?LANG=eng&ID=4110

With 303 seats on the -200's the economics of West coast flying might be viable again!
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
In other news, the three EI A320s which will be operating the Virgin flights are EI-CVA, B and C.

So they are giving them the oldest 320's in the fleet. Nice 
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:35 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 18):
What do you guys think of EI adding additional seats to some/all of it's A330 fleet to improve the economics on long haul mostly leisure markets such as YYZ,LAX etc?
Seat technology has advanced where you can get thinner seats at a tighter pitch and still maintain leg room comfort levels.
Air Berlin would be my example of having 303 new slimmer seats on a 330-200 versus EI's 275.
http://www.airberlin.com/site/pressreleases_dr.php?LANG=eng&ID=4110

With 303 seats on the -200's the economics of West coast flying might be viable again!

Interesting that Air Berlin has gone fully flat bed on the A330 one year after relaunching their business class.

http://www.airberlingroup.com/en/pre...3-The-new-airberlin-Business-Class

Above and beyond fleet commonality, Aer Berlin and Aer Lingus have a lot in common - hybrid carriers offering a low cost, product led service on both short and longer haul flights. Both have a regional arm.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:52 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 18):
Demand is not the problem, but demand at yields high enough to cover all the operating costs is........

With 303 seats on the -200's the economics of West coast flying might be viable again!

I agree but I would argue that the demand in J is more of a factor than getting 28 extra Y fare. The cost of retrofitting the full EI fleet may be prohibitive to the potential increase in yield.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 19):
So they are giving them the oldest 320's in the fleet. Nice 

Did VS specify the aircraft? obviously not. They want A320's....they get them. These aircraft are reliable (1 careful owner...aged 75) well maintained and souns aircraft.

EI specified ATR72's for the EIR op..........
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:23 pm

You may find that the oldest of the three A320s were due for a refit and paint job. You will also find that Virgin know exactly what they are getting in terms of aircraft.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 19):
So they are giving them the oldest 320's in the fleet. Nice

These 3 were meant to be leaving the fleet anyway, so take it as a positive, net gain in the EI fleet!  

In other news, DL are increasing frequency to JFK for the summer season - to 10 flights per week, with an extra departure on Tues, Thu and Sun ex Dublin. All flights to be operated by 767 on JFK, and A332 on ATL.

DUB-NYC, with up to 6 flights a day next summer, is going to be yields bloodbath - but probably good for us consumers!
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:38 pm

I had got the impression the VS Domestic ops needed 4 A/C?
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:43 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 12):

I agree, great crew, but the ATR 72 I was on last week was in rag order. I thought all the 72s were shiny & new....nope mine was nearly 20 years old!
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:12 am

I was doing some random Internet searching and stumbled across this completely by accident. I thought projects as ridiculous as this one would have long been parked at this stage but apparently not!

'Tubber airport plans to be lodged before end of year'

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news...05/04/4010294-tubber-airport-plans

Well, it is the end of the year and still no sign. Those of us who try to argue the growth potential at SNN are often accused of being overly optimistic or even have dilusions of grandure (sometimes rightly so) but I think we all pale in comparison to the backers of this project. For those who don't want to waste your time reading it, some of the more memorable statements are:

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Patrick Little said the fact that the international trade hub had been granted planning permission by An Bord Pleanála was a boost to the plans for airport as it would bring an additional 35,000 passengers through the airport every week.

Really?? 35,000 ADDITTIONAL passengers a week? What is the basis for that calculation? Please, I would love to know where that figure came from!

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Mr Little stressed that the airport stands up on its own two feet without the trade hub as the midlands has the biggest population catchment in the country, but said the trade hub would bring additional passengers to the airport.

So basically, everything we know about geography and population patterns in Ireland is wrong! The Dublin area with its 1/3 of the country's population is clearly not be the biggest population centre in the country and the Munster region (population 1.2 million) is no where close to the population of Athlone and its environs. Also, the only airport in Ireland that currently stands on its own two feet is DUB. None of the others even come close without massive government subsidies or having their losses covered by semi-state companies. Yet this new airport which will immediately be burdened with a massive construction debt will buck the trend.

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Mr Little added that the airport would be huge for the economy in the midlands and would have significant spin offs, such as a shuttle bus or even a rail system between the three gateway towns, dubbed the MAX (Midlands Area Xpress).

Sounds like the DART will no longer be the only dedicated high capacity, high frequency rail network in the country. What three gateway towns? Mullingar, Tullamore and Athlone or Dublin, Shannon and Athlone? If anything, such a project would only serve to bring more passengers away from the airport towards DUB which is where most of the airlines will still want to fly.

Quote:
The €175 million development is now one step closer to becoming a reality, providing the massive jobs boost that the Midlands region needs," said Deputy Cowen.

€175 million? A couple of comparisons. The new terminal alone at ORK cost €140 mill plus a new control tower at €7.5 million for a design capacity of 3 million passengers annually. The extension to the SNN terminal cost IR£40 million (€50 million) for a desgn capacity of close to 4 million passengers annually and those figures do not account for inflation. Assuming the figure of 35,000 additional passengers weekly quoted above (1,820,000 annually) is a BONUS rather than the original base figure, that means that this airport is expected by its developers to handle at least 3.5 to 4 million per year which means that terminal should be designed for a capacity of closer to 6 million. A terminal for 6 million plus the airfield itself which would of course be designed to hangle B748/A380 at MTOW (why sell themselves short as clearly they are targeting services to China and the far east) for €175 million? Does anyone else see the irony of Brian Cowen quoting such a figure for this project?
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:25 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 23):
DUB-NYC, with up to 6 flights a day next summer, is going to be yields bloodbath - but probably good for us consumers!

Not to mention the (up to) 3 daily from SNN and 1 daily from BFS. On your average Tuesday or Thursday next summer that's over 2,200 seats each way between Ireland and New York!

How many widebodies can DUB Terminal 2 accommodate simultaneously? On Thursdays in the summer DUB will have 19 longhaul departures, 15 of which are widebody and 17 of which depart from T2.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 27):
Not to mention the (up to) 3 daily from SNN and 1 daily from BFS. On your average Tuesday or Thursday next summer that's over 2,200 seats each way between Ireland and New York!

How many widebodies can DUB Terminal 2 accommodate simultaneously? On Thursdays in the summer DUB will have 19 longhaul departures, 15 of which are widebody and 17 of which depart from T2.

Indeed! Hopefully the insane fares we had to pay last year will not be repeated!

T2 Pier E can handle I think 9 widebodies simultaneously, but as you know, it's normally a mix of narrow and widebodies. They can also use Pier B which adds a further 7 widebody stands.

More traffic will need to make use of Pier B this summer - no doubt about it.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:00 am

Was just looking at EK 161 this morning on Flightradar (as you do, when you can't sleep!) ... it took a very odd route; instead of heading in the usual westerly direction, skirting north of Qatar and up the Gulf towards Iraq, turned NNE, skirting the UAE coastline, then into Iranian airspace - climbing no higher than FL230; can no longer see it (presumably because FR24 can't pick up Iranian radar), but I can see that another EK flight is taking the same route, EK 27 to GLA.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:12 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 29):
Was just looking at EK 161 this morning on Flightradar (as you do, when you can't sleep!) ... it took a very odd route; instead of heading in the usual westerly direction, skirting north of Qatar and up the Gulf towards Iraq, turned NNE, skirting the UAE coastline, then into Iranian airspace - climbing no higher than FL230; can no longer see it (presumably because FR24 can't pick up Iranian radar), but I can see that another EK flight is taking the same route, EK 27 to GLA.

The last time I flew DXB-DUB direct (which was with EI - yup, that long ago) we actually took a similar routing, although I cant say I remember the level cap at FL230!
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:23 pm

Hi everyone, and happy New Year to ye all!

Got a little bit of good news...as I'm sure some of ye are aware, EI are in the process of recruiting cabin crew for their A319/320/321 fleet. I applied, and after tough interviews with them, I was told yesterday at 5pm that I got the job, based in DUB, and begin my training on the 21st of this month! Great late christmas/early birthday present!

I'm going to keep an eagle eye out of any and all EI TRs from now on in case I see myself :P

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Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:47 pm

Congrats Michael - nice to hear a good news story.
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting MichaelEI (Reply 31):

Congratulations...
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:07 pm

My EDI-NOC flight for a wedding has been cancelled, it looks as if the winter reductions has been extended. My last flight only had 5 people on it ! and my flight was only £26. Mmm. Hope they dont pull it indefinitely.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:17 pm

On saturday 29th of December, I was out at Dublin airport for the last spotting session of 2012, and saw an EI A320 over at pier A, which I thought quite odd, since there were plenty of stands available at T2. Could anyone shed any light as to why they would use pier A instead of T2?
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:10 pm

Hey, quick question. Can you earn Gold Circle miles on EY flights? What if they are not booked under an EI flight number?

Thanks
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 35):
On saturday 29th of December, I was out at Dublin airport for the last spotting session of 2012, and saw an EI A320 over at pier A, which I thought quite odd, since there were plenty of stands available at T2. Could anyone shed any light as to why they would use pier A instead of T2?

It's just in preperation for the morning TATL inbounds. Some stands need to be kept open at T2 for those arrivals, and so if an aircraft is night stopping on the last sector of the day, it may need to be parked elsewhere. As Pier A has the space, it makes as much sense to park it there and then tow it to where it's required for boarding as it does to park it on a remote stand.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 36):

Nope !
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:06 pm

Ha thanks Philip. Short and sweet
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 39):

Quick question quick answer   I enquired about it with GC but the FF program's have no plans (at that time ) to link up which I think is a shame and an opportunity missed! Maybe in the future. Still EY are a good choice for a Dubai trip even if having to take the free bus.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:28 am

The A320 was still there well after the Emirates 77W left, which was nearly 1pm. By that time, there were stands available, as most of the TATL flights had come and gone.
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 21):
I agree but I would argue that the demand in J is more of a factor than getting 28 extra Y fare. The cost of retrofitting the full EI fleet may be prohibitive to the potential increase in yield.

I'm not proposing that EI take the exact Y/C ratio that AB have, but rather just use the new slimmer seat concept as a way to get more revenue from routes that are not currently economic such as West Coast US.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:53 am

Anyone know why BA829 DUB-LHR was so delayed this evening? I think it's about 5 hours late and arriving at 2am! Only noticed as it flew over my house and I checked flightradar24 to see what it was.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 41):
The A320 was still there well after the Emirates 77W left, which was nearly 1pm. By that time, there were stands available, as most of the TATL flights had come and gone.

It may not have been operating then, might have been spare for the day. No point moving it unless it's required. Winter season especially, there is no pressure for stands at T1.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 43):
Anyone know why BA829 DUB-LHR was so delayed this evening? I think it's about 5 hours late and arriving at 2am! Only noticed as it flew over my house and I checked flightradar24 to see what it was.

The flight plan was delayed several times during the evening from BA Ops in London. Suspect in that case it was a creeping technical delay?
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:36 am

EI have released their Dec 2012 traffic figures:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0107/aer...figures-fly-7-higher-business.html

"The latest traffic statistics for Aer Lingus show that the airline flew 734,000 passengers last month, an increase of 7.2% on December 2011.The figures include the airline's regional operations.
Aer Lingus' short haul passengers figure came to 658,000, an increase of 6.5% on December the previous year; while long haul passengers last month were 76,000, an increase of 13.4% on December 2011.
The airline's load factor ....... increased as capacity fell. December's overall load factor increased by 2.9 points to 70.9%.
Its short haul load factor inched 0.7 points higher to 66.6%, while its long haul load factor rose by 6.1 points to 77.7%"
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:42 am

Promising set of results for EI. Wondering aloud what the short haul EI break even load factor is... I can only assume that it will be higher in Winter as fares are lower. A 6.1% load factor increase points to some excellent revenue management, and no doubt a push on connections.

Not sure about the capacity falling statement - if loads were up by 13.4% on long haul, and load factor was up by 6.1% percentage points, obviously capacity increased also, or is my grasp of simple maths failing me.
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:37 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 43):

My flight last week was delayed 2 hours then cancelled . Eventually got to LHR over three hours late. Servisair refused to give refreshment vouchers too which was illegal under EU law. Lounge staff at DUB say there are quite a lot of delays on the BA DUB flights especially in the evening.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:10 pm

In fairness to the Servisair staff, they need authorisation from BA before issuing vouchers. I have noticed myself quite a few delays and cancellations on the DUB route. I fear BA are making a half hearted effort with it.
 
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RE: Irish 1/13; Brave New World

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:42 pm

Good news from OCK.

Ireland West Airport, Knock has just had its busiest year.
Passenger numbers increased 5 per cent during 2012, with 685,000 using the airport.