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UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:05 am

UA has three daily to BOG (1 EWR, 2 IAH) which have been operating with 73Gs for the last few years, they're all switching to 757s. BOG goes from 3 daily 73Gs to 3 daily 757s, sCO 757s. CO previously had operated 757s from both EWR and IAH, the EWR flight continued onto UIO. This is a nice surprise and hopefully is a sign of things to come thanks to AV in Star.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:14 am

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
BOG goes from 3 daily 73Gs to 3 daily 757s, sCO 757s.

Are these going to be sCO 753s?
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 1):

Are these going to be sCO 753s?

The 2x IAH-BOG and 1x EWR-BOG go to sCO 757-200s across the board with BusinessFirst flat bed seating at least through the current schedule
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:19 am

SCO 752s. Very good news...now if we could get AV to IAH.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 3):
Very good news...now if we could get AV to IAH.

I would love to see AV at IAH as well as bringing back EWR, and either UA or AV to bring back CLO and perhaps MDE to either (or both) hubs.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:56 am

I thought that was a holiday schedule only - how long do the 757s stay in the BOG market?
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:10 pm

This is great news, I had assumed it was only for the high season. The lie flat seats make all the difference for the weeked trips I usually take to Houston. Fantastic.
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:16 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 5):
I thought that was a holiday schedule only - how long do the 757s stay in the BOG market?

I'm seeing them through April, I hope this is a permanent change. It would be great if AV and UA could work more closely together, perhaps UA could operate some fifth freedom flights such as IAH-CLO-LPB (a former Eastern route).

[Edited 2013-01-02 07:19:33]

[Edited 2013-01-02 07:20:07]
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:42 pm

Good to see the Star Alliance member build up in BOG now that AV is a Star Alliance member. It was about time. BOG can become the new South American hub for Star and it will be a strong hub with a strong airline firmly planted there (AV/TA). Good luck to them.

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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:05 pm

Great news...it would be great to see some other UA hubs connected to BOG also...ORD would be my first choice. LAX or SFO would be a logical next step. AV already flies to IAD, correct?
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 9):
AV already flies to IAD, correct?

That is correct

AV 246 -- dep BOG 9:05am -- arr IAD 3:20pm
AV 247 -- dep IAD 4:36 pm -- arr BOG 9:01pm
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 9):
Great news...it would be great to see some other UA hubs connected to BOG also...ORD would be my first choice. LAX or SFO would be a logical next step.

LAX definitely, with UA. And Perhaps AV to ORD.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 2):
The 2x IAH-BOG and 1x EWR-BOG go to sCO 757-200s across the board with BusinessFirst flat bed seating at least through the current schedule

Are these 757 coming from the EWR to LHR route ? Its about time they find more appropriate flights for all those 757 to LHR.
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):

Are these 757 coming from the EWR to LHR route ? Its about time they find more appropriate flights for all those 757 to LHR.

Is EWR-LHR getting an upgrade of equipment?
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
I would love to see AV at IAH

You can say AV is already at IAH because of TA.

I wonder if the upgauge allows for greater partnership with either AV, CM/Aires, or both.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:03 pm

Nice to see expanded services to Colombia. They are on my "must visit soon" list. Would be even nicer to see AV at EWR.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Its about time they find more appropriate flights for all those 757 to LHR.

Uh oh.... Let's not start the "757 isn't the right airplane to fly from EWR to LHR" debate again (though I DO agree with you!).  
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):

Are these 757 coming from the EWR to LHR route ? Its about time they find more appropriate flights for all those 757 to LHR.

EWR-LHR is still 4x 752 1x 772 for the current schedule and beyond. Unclear at this point whether it will change but it seems that the 2-cabin 767-300ER fleet is close to being fully committed, and that would be the likely upgauge from the 752. Right now it is clear that UA prefers frequency over gauge in this market. Adding additional seats to the current 5x frequencies may negatively impact yield.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Uh oh.... Let's not start the "757 isn't the right airplane to fly from EWR to LHR" debate again (though I DO agree with you!).

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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:19 pm

Not every sCO/L-CO/PMCO 752 went int'l daily as they were utilized on various domestic routes, most notably transcons and Florida turns. While some of this flying was done between int'l routings, some of it was not. On any given morning at EWR there are 752s that RON'd. I would guess that while some of this available capacity is coming from the int'l arena, much of it can be from taking the CO 752s off of domestic routings and placing it on the Columbia flying. The domestic flying is then replaced by the other various aircraft such as 737s, UA 752s, etc.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 13):
Is EWR-LHR getting an upgrade of equipment?
Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Uh oh.... Let's not start the "757 isn't the right airplane to fly from EWR to LHR" debate again (though I DO agree with you!).
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 16):
EWR-LHR is still 4x 752 1x 772 for the current schedule and beyond. Unclear at this point whether it will change but it seems that the 2-cabin 767-300ER fleet is close to being fully committed

Busniess First 767-300ER would be a great plane for the LHR run. 757 were never made for crossing oceans, they were made for mountains, the Andes fill that well.
 
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:27 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 18):
757 were never made for crossing oceans, they were made for mountains, the Andes fill that well.

Just like the 707 or DC8 right...  
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:59 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Its about time they find more appropriate flights for all those 757 to LHR.

Ah yes. trying to make profits....terrible thing. They should fly 40x daily with 744s. who cares if it burns money.


Just be like TWA or Pan Am.  
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:09 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 18):
757 were never made for crossing oceans, they were made for mountains, the Andes fill that well.

Just like the 707 or DC8 right...  

Kids now-a-days forget about those two aircraft types. I crossed the North Atlantic many times on the DC-8.
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RE: UA Boosting Colombia

Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:33 am

[quote=STT757,reply=11]

LAX-BOG is a tricky market that AV has tried on several occasions. The last time the axe came down on it when AV withdrew the 762ERs from their fleet. They did fly the 75W on occasion, but can' say if they flew it with restrictions or not.
Now that AV-TA is a part of Star, perhaps they will have a better chance of making this market work.
How ever I don't see UA starting LAX-BOG anytime soon, after pmUA had swung the axe down on LAX-GUA/SAL.
These are strong pmCO markets, not UA.
If UA were to start LAX-BOG, the 75Ws they operate would need to fly this route w/o restrictions and definitely not on a daily basis. It's a shame UA won't be keeping any of the 762ERs for specific routes such as these.

This market is spoken about in the Colombian threads at great length.