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Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:43 pm

With a merger between AA and US becoming closer to reality, I think now is the time to discuss on what will be the fate of domestic IFE on AA if they are bought out by US.

AA has announced that its new domestic aircraft deliveries will come with AVOD from the factory. US Airways, on the other hand, does not offer any IFE on any domestic flight, even on aircraft equipped with AVOD (I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map). Knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I am a little concerned that he will order IFE to be removed from all of AA's domestic aircraft.

While I don't fly AA nor US as much as I fly DL, I would at least hope that under US Airways' management that the new AA would keep IFE on its domestic aircraft. I am glad that DL chose to keep domestic IFE when they merged with NW, however, Richard Anderson seems to care more for the customers than Doug Parker does.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:58 pm

I would say that in a possible merger between AA/US , one of the last issues to be discussed would be the IFE plans for all aircraft. I would bet that no one at either AA or US has even thought about it nor are they likely to any time soon
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:26 pm

Since US and HP still don't have there house in order from that merger, I wouldm't start calling this a done deal just yet.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:49 pm

Currently, the IFE policy on US is only flights to Hawaii, South America, Europe, and the Middle East will receive IFE. In a merger, I would bet that we might see pre-merger AA aircraft keep their IFE while pre-merger US aircraft would not receive IFE.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map

Did they use the moving map on the overhead monitors? And on these flights, as well as PHL-SJU, CLT-MCO, and PHL-CLT, First passengers usually are allowed to use the IFE.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:56 pm

Hope USAirways doesn't scrap AA AVOD plans! I wouldn't keep my hopes up!
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:23 pm

With UA and DL making domestic IFE including WiFi and Satellite TV commonplace, in addition to the smaller airlines like B6, VX, F9 also having it, I think AA/US would seriously consider having it. WN would be the only other major airline without personal IFE (AS only has it for sale on transcons), but we all know people have different expectations on WN and I don’t consider Allegiant or Spirit as legitimate competitors to AA/US.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:26 pm

Don't forget that US did decide last year to install Wifi on A319/320/321 and E190/175/170s, the wifi installation is almost complete and soon the Airbi will also be equipped with GoGo Vision which gives you AVOD for a fee. IFE on US isnt completely nonexistent!   
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:37 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 4):
Hope USAirways doesn't scrap AA AVOD plans! I wouldn't keep my hopes up!

However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:09 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
With a merger between AA and US becoming closer to reality,

Source? It's actually looking less and less likely every day that it will happen short term and under US' terms and more and more likely it will happen long term and be dictated by AMR.

Further, the most recent proposal has AMR shareholders getting 80% to US Airways getting 20%. So, explain to me, how exactly does this mean US will be in charge?

Regardless, to answer the question: AA's IFE plans will remain. That's a given. I think even somebody has anti-customer as Parker knows there's a big problem being the largest airline and lacking the most basic of amenities.

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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:09 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):

Where is your source to that latest proposal ?
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
It's actually looking less and less likely every day that it will happen short term and under US' terms and more and more likely it will happen long term and be dictated by AMR.

I sure hope your right. I personally think that AA wants to be industry leading in terms of yield and passenger ammenities. I like my AA just as it is and believe it will get better over time if left to emerge on its own.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:04 am

The proposal has not gone up from 70/30 to 80/20 . That simply is not true . I don't know where your getting that from but there is no validity to it whatsoever .
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:42 am

They'll keep it. If WN has it, they certainly will want to keep it.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was on a US A330 on December 22nd on CLT-SJU and they didn't let us use the IFE, not even the moving map

Did they use the moving map on the overhead monitors? And on these flights, as well as PHL-SJU, CLT-MCO, and PHL-CLT, First passengers usually are allowed to use the IFE.

  

Incorrect. At least for their SJU-CLT/PHL. I've flown both on first and on coach aboard their 757s and 767s (curiously I have yet to fly on their A330s) and there's no IFE whatsoever for any of the classes.

Odds are that on the CLT-MCO and PHL-CLT legs, if they use A330/757/767s they don't offer IFE either to any of the classes of service.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.

Not necessarily taking exception to the statement, I can point to several instances of other airlines' arrogance and historical anti-customer views. The question for the decision makers here is whether Parker has what it takes to run a global carrier. Perhaps not, but I've asked the same things about AA's management as well many times. One outcome that would be interesting to see would be a merger with a new CEO (other than Parker or Horton).

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
Further, the most recent proposal has AMR shareholders getting 80% to US Airways getting 20%. So, explain to me, how exactly does this mean US will be in charge?

Actually, AMR shareholders will get nothing and AMR creditors will get an equity stake in the combined carrier of an amount that I suspect is being negotiated. From what we read, the proposal involves putting Parker in charger. However, that is subject to negotiation just like everything else.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 10):
I personally think that AA wants to be industry leading in terms of yield and passenger ammenities. I like my AA just as it is and believe it will get better over time if left to emerge on its own.
AA does not need to mess around with a merger, or get side tracked by one.

AA will not be large enough to compete against United and Delta on its own. A merger with US will give it a much better network and facilitate AA's push into international markets. US is not a perfect merger candidate, but who is?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 14):
A merger with US will give it a much better network and facilitate AA's push into international markets.

What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK?? CLT?? or PHX all low yielding hubs? AA does not have to be the biggest to complete.
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:51 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 13):
Incorrect. At least for their SJU-CLT/PHL. I've flown both on first and on coach aboard their 757s and 767s (curiously I have yet to fly on their A330s) and there's no IFE whatsoever for any of the classes.

This is on the A330 only.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:52 pm

I bring my own moving map. I have an aviation GPS and use it regularly.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 15):
What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK??

Yeah, DCA and PHL are low-yielding trash markets. Really?
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:53 pm

All these new merged legacies are offering IFE and more amenities. AA will be the larger entitiy anyway. I don't think I would worry about this.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 15):
What network?? A hub at DCA filled with low yielding government fares?? PHL which will bleed revenue off JFK?? CLT?? or PHX all low yielding hubs?

I agree on PHL and PHX, but you are totally wrong on DCA and CLT.

DCA: On every person flying in and out of DCA on a government fare you can bet 10 lobbyists are flying in and out of DCA, too. Then you have members of the news agencies and companies around Washington.

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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:24 pm

If a US/AA merger occurs, I'd expect AA's product will survive along with the brand.

Remember, all AA's A32X aircraft ordered will be fit with AAs new cabin which includes IFE. I think it would make lots of sense to see all of US's A32X get retrofitted with the same cabin.

I don't think that IFE will be compromised in this merger scenario.
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:25 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
AA has announced that its new domestic aircraft deliveries will come with AVOD from the factory.

Has AA confirmed the details of the new IFE? Will it be on all the new aircraft deliveres or just a select group (i.e. trasncon A321s)? And will it be nose-to-tail AVOD or just up front?
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.

Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views?
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 23):
Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views?

The hostile takeover offer of Delta is one key example. He only made the offer to eliminate a competitor while completely ignoring loyal Delta customers. This wouldn't have done any good for customers; Doug Parker made this offer out of pure greed.

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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:18 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):
The hostile takeover offer of Delta is one key example. He only made the offer to eliminate a competitor while completely ignoring loyal Delta customers. This wouldn't have done any good for customers; Doug Parker made this offer out of pure greed.



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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
However, knowing Doug Parker's arrogance and historical anti-customer views, I would say that it has a significant chance of happening.

Have you ever met Parker? I'bet not. Can you give us examples of his arrogance or historical anti customer views? no quoteing airline pilot central
 
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
Source? It's actually looking less and less likely every day that it will happen short term and under US' terms and more and more likely it will happen long term and be dictated by AMR.

Further, the most recent proposal has AMR shareholders getting 80% to US Airways getting 20%. So, explain to me, how exactly does this mean US will be in charge?

In a few weeks, once the merger is announced, based on your current and historical perception of the chain of events that has led AA/US to their current status, you will probably be claiming it never actually happened. And that would be really funny.

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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 4):

Hope USAirways doesn't scrap AA AVOD plans! I wouldn't keep my hopes up!


USAirways won't call the shots in any event.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 27):
In a few weeks, once the merger is announced, based on your current and historical perception of the chain of events that has led AA/US to their current status, you will probably be claiming it never actually happened. And that would be really funny.

Not as funny as your disappearing act if the merger isn't announced. I'd stop being too confident about it - the finances of AA right now don't prefer a merger, only the unions drinking Parker's kool aid. The merger will lead to heavily reduced flying, drastic cuts at US' hubs and plenty of your colleagues being fired.
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RE: Fate Of Domestic IFE In An AA/US Merger

Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):
Not as funny as your disappearing act if the merger isn't announced. I'd stop being too confident about it - the finances of AA right now don't prefer a merger, only the unions drinking Parker's kool aid. The merger will lead to heavily reduced flying, drastic cuts at US' hubs and plenty of your colleagues being fired.

mah4546 is spot on.... The only thing a US/AA merger will do is pull both carriers down. It would probably lead to approximately 15,000 job cuts. AA does not need US, and the creditors will see AA can and will be a more viable company as stand alone. Why has every other airline kicked Doug Parker to the curb?? He has NOTHING to offer.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:27 pm

Also an interesting website.... about Doug and the merger

http://firedougparker.org/
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:00 am

People on this forum are living in an alternate universe.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:14 am

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 32):

People on this forum are living in an alternate universe.


Are you trying to say that if US/AA merge, there won't be significant cutbacks in flying and staffing levels? Because if so, you are living in an alternative universe.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 32):

People on this forum are living in an alternate universe.

To yours, yes.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:12 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 33):
Are you trying to say that if US/AA merge, there won't be significant cutbacks in flying and staffing levels? Because if so, you are living in an alternative universe.

I actually never said any of that. Everything you describe could very well happen if AA remained a standalone airline. AA has already cut staffing levels -- which BTW you of all people must have a very clear understanding. What do you think has been happening since they declared BK? Risks well worth enduring in any case in order to create able to compete with UA and DL on equal terms -- one that I am willing to bet my three decade long career on.

The alternate universe I am referring to is the one in which AMR either emerges as a standalone airline, or merged with US AIrways with Horton and current AMR management in control. Both are statistical near-impossibilities at this point.