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DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:29 am

According to DL's desktop timetable, they will be adding a daily LAX-BNA flight starting April 8th with a 738.

At the same time, they will increase LAX-RDU frequency to daily, though it will still be a redeye.

RDU-TPA starts March 3rd as a once daily CRJ.


Looks like Jetlanta was right, DL views RDU as their market and are willing to fight for it. We shall see if AA has a response.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:25 am

The red-eye isn't the issue, in fact most people still prefer the red-eye since they can take all day to finish their business. It's the timing of the flight leaving RDU that has always been the biggest gripe.

Also, I'm not sure where you are seeing the RDU-TPA flight start on Mar 3 or even Apr 3. And remember, if this is actually happening, this would be a restart of the route, as recently as last year DL had at least 1x daily to TPA from RDU.

[Edited 2013-01-03 03:27:49]
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:31 am

Who would have ever thought that AA's addition of LAX-RDU would elicit any kind of response from DL, other than a swift and quiet drop a la LAX-PHL (once VX started that route). If AA started LAX-ATL/DTW/MSP, then it'd be another story.

I don't see how either of these routes will impact AA at all. AA shuttles the entertainment industry folk$$$ between LAX and BNA, given that that will not change anytime soon they have nothing to lose to DL but low-yielding pax. AA doesn't fly RDU-TPA, a route that certainly does not fit into their cornerstone strategy.

It may be worth mentioning that WN does fly both of these routes. They enjoy significant FF loyalty and onward connectivity in all 4 markets, and are probably laughing at DL's attempt to either retaliate against AA, or keep the 738s and CRJs busier, or simply keep building up focus cities at LAX and RDU any way they can. If DL wanted to make a statement to AA, they could have started LAX-DFW/ORD, or even LAX-AUS/STL. If DL wanted to grow at LAX, why not resume LAX-BOS, as they seem to be holding their own at BOS these days, or a niche route like GEG, perhaps also send an RJ to SAT (relatively uncompetitive by LAX standards). Even a resumption of LAX-MKE seems like a better move to me. Out of RDU, they could send the RJ to an uncompetitive niche market - AUS, MCI, MKE, etc. - rather than a route that sees mainline LCC competition.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
AA shuttles the entertainment industry folk$$$ between LAX and BNA, given that that will not change anytime soon they have nothing to lose to DL but low-yielding pax.

Who is to say that won't change? Lots of things have been changing over the past few years. But change like this doesn't happen without first adapting the network to serve the needs of the customers in question.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:00 pm

I am curious as if to the OP has a link to this information. I dug a little deeper from both internal and external sources and cannot find one piece of information on this.

Friend of mine hopped on travelnet and it shows no non-stop TPA flight nor any deviation from the RDULAX 3x weekly.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:38 pm

BNA-LAX, vv. is interesting. I see it in the downloadable app but nowhere else.

DL934 LAX 10:15a BNA 4:10p D 738
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:18 pm

Dear Delta,

If you want to reinstate a route, might I suggest RDU-MSY since its unserved and overdue? Throw a goJet CR7 on it. Then research MCI and AUS. GoJet CR7 and Compass E70 utilization, please...
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:38 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
I don't see how either of these routes will impact AA at all. AA shuttles the entertainment industry folk$$$ between LAX and BNA, given that that will not change anytime soon they have nothing to lose to DL but low-yielding pax.

  

DL will be at a frequency disadvantage to both AA and WN, plus AA and WN have better hubs for connections when the nonstops are full or the times don't work. The relatively newer morning AA flight also connects pretty well to both the AA and JL NRT flights, and the connection coming back isn't too bad either. WN has significant feed on both ends (and carries a lot of RDU/PHL/BWI-LAX thru traffic, depending on the continuation city in the current schedule). I love to see BNA get more service, but I don't see DL's niche on this route. The timing of the eastbound flight is also sub-optimal.

[Edited 2013-01-03 06:04:13]
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:51 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
I love to see BNA get more service, but I don't see DL's niche on this route. The timing of the eastbound flight is also sub-optimal.

I disagree with you on this one. That timing is perfect with the last bank out of LAX. While it misses the HND flight by an hour and change, they can also capture the intra-california, the majority of the Skyteam connections from TBIT, and the SYD flight. Whereas RDU arrives at 2210, which misses most, if not all, connections domestically, misses the DL SYD flight, and the majority of the Skyteam TBIT departures. I think there are two random Asian departures that leave TBIT post midnight that people can connect to, but those are a far cry from other, more optimal departures.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:55 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 8):
I disagree with you on this one.

You are talking about westbound, and I agree that the timing of the westbound flight is good. The eastbound flight isn't so good, especially for O&D passengers.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:59 pm

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 2):
I don't see how either of these routes will impact AA at all. AA shuttles the entertainment industry folk$$$ between LAX and BNA, given that that will not change anytime soon they have nothing to lose to DL but low-yielding pax. AA doesn't fly RDU-TPA, a route that certainly does not fit into their cornerstone strategy.
Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 5):
BNA-LAX, vv. is interesting. I see it in the downloadable app but nowhere else.
DL934 LAX 10:15a BNA 4:10p D 738
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Quoting xjramper (Reply 8):
I disagree with you on this one. That timing is perfect with the last bank out of LAX.

I'm shocked to see them go into a two carrier, fairly long-haul market. Also, the point of sale is mostly BNA on this flight and the schedule requries two nights in L.A. to have one day of business there. That will really hurt them against the other airlines. The connectivity on the LAX end is something, but still the local market is how this lives or dies. I agree it is retaliation to AA...fairly clearly.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:13 pm

DL has been chasing high yield stuff as of late....and LAX-BNA is clearly an attempt at that.

I firmly believe we will see lots more LAX stuff in the next 12 months.....including some international once again..and this time it will stick.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I firmly believe we will see lots more LAX stuff in the next 12 months.....including some international once again

You are probably right.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
and this time it will stick.

History shows you are likely to be wrong on that one.

In April and May 2012 LAX-HND only flew 62 and 67% full.

[Edited 2013-01-03 07:12:42]
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I firmly believe we will see lots more LAX stuff in the next 12 months.....including some international once again..and this time it will stick.

Can't wait to see what happens!! My rumor ive been spreading around the ramp lately is DL going 2x daily LAX-KOA haha i can dream..

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
History shows you are likely to be wrong on that one.

In April and May 2012 LAX-HND only flew 62 and 67% full

"LATELY" history is showing you were wrong in a lot of markets that DL is still serving from LAX...Not trying to be in ass just saying...
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
History shows you are likely to be wrong on that one.

In April and May 2012 LAX-HND only flew 62 and 67% full.

I was thinking it would be more south....mexico and latam. LAN has shown LIM can work....ditto on CM at PTY etc etc. And don't forget DL already serves GUA....a return to SAL would be a no brainer for them....BOG would work too

Yes they tried Central America a few years ago.....but that was the old DL...this time they understand the markets better and have better sales teams in place. Anyone monitoring the latter over the last 24 months will see that moves to better play in the VFR markets have been made successfully.

DL desperately needs a second LatAm hub to compete with AA (MIA-DFW), UA (IAH, EWR, IAD). Dual hubs work better as they are better able to cater to many passenger connecting needs. For example, I know of many tourists that do XXX-DFW-BZE-MIA-XXX.....right now DL loses much of the connecting traffic to latin america to UA and AA because the DFW and IAH connections are far better than ATL.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
LAN has shown LIM can work....ditto on CM at PTY etc etc. And don't forget DL already serves GUA....a return to SAL would be a no brainer for them....BOG would work too

LA and CM mean nothing. They have significant connecting hubs on the other end. DL's aborted attempt at LAX-GRU is more instructive. DL on LAX-Latin America is basically p2p, and the South America flights are longer than other flights from the States to the same points. For instance, LAX-BOG cannot be done on anything smaller than a 752.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:30 pm

Delta had to at least upgrade to daily or leave the route.

I think its half as#ing it to still keep the return a red eye . They should really commit and fight AA with a daytime return. Delta been on the route longer but i think AA will win the business crowd with the timing......interesting to see how RDU-LAX plays out. My guess is Delta will eventually fail unless they commit to a daytime return, but i will be interested to watch and see delta does have quite a loyal following in the southeast so that could be the wildcard here
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
For instance, LAX-BOG cannot be done on anything smaller than a 752.

73G can do it.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 1):
. It's the timing of the flight leaving RDU that has always been the biggest gripe.

RDU-LAX is being retimed and will be a morning departure out of RDU instead, starting in April, clearly targeting the RDU-origination market.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:54 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
73G can do it.

Please point me toward some other 3000 nm routes successfully operated by the 73G. LAX-BOG is 80 nm longer than MVD-PTY
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Please point me toward some other 3000 nm routes successfully operated by the 73G. LAX-BOG is 80 nm longer than MVD-PTY

I didn't say without restrictions....but it could do it with a couple of seats blocked out or limited cargo
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:30 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
I didn't say without restrictions....but it could do it with a couple of seats blocked out or limited cargo

So we're going to take a plane that has poor economics to start with and then start blocking seats?

Besides bleeding money, what is the point of this exercise?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
So we're going to take a plane that has poor economics to start with and then start blocking seats?

Besides bleeding money, what is the point of this exercise?

I think WN and CM would disagree on the poor economics thing....If you can charge enough for the seats, it more than makes up for the loss of a few blocked seats.

But yes, I agree a 752 would be the ideal aircraft and thoroughly fillable from LAX.

You say CM and LAN have feed at PTY/LIM....DL has feed (via AS) and its slowly growing domestic route structure at LAX (wasn't SEA announced last week?) to more than make it work
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:37 pm

It'll be fun to watch. I look forward to the fare wars. Already have an LAXRDU booked for April.

Wouldn't be shocked to see AA add a third daily LAXBNA, and I've already been hearing AA is looking at LAXATL.

DL won't last on LAXBNA.

LAXRDU will be more interesting to watch. Market is not big enough for two airlines, and the end result might be it simply won't be served non-stop at all.

[Edited 2013-01-03 12:37:53]
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:41 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
You say CM and LAN have feed at PTY/LIM....DL has feed (via AS) and its slowly growing domestic route structure at LAX (wasn't SEA announced last week?) to more than make it work

That's not really an apples to apples comparison. CM has a highly banked, extremely efficient hub at PTY and LA/LP fly to many big cities without other access to LA from LIM.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
You say CM and LAN have feed at PTY/LIM....DL has feed (via AS) and its slowly growing domestic route structure at LAX (wasn't SEA announced last week?) to more than make it work

Ridiculous comparison.

CM and LA have hubs at PTY/LIM and feed from cities that have strong demand to LA.

DL and AS do not have hubs in LAX, nor do they have feed with cities with strong demand to LatAm, because on the West Coast, it's pretty much just LA, some demand from SF, and LAS-Brazil.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:54 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
It'll be fun to watch. I look forward to the fare wars. Already have an LAXRDU booked for April.

Wouldn't be shocked to see AA add a third daily LAXBNA, and I've already been hearing AA is looking at LAXATL.

DL won't last on LAXBNA.

LAXRDU will be more interesting to watch. Market is not big enough for two airlines, and the end result might be it simply won't be served non-stop at all.[Edited 2013-01-03 12:37:53]

I hope AA does LAX-ATL. It'd be nice to see DL add back LAX-DFW in response. Everything out of DFW on DL is packed to the gills.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
I've already been hearing AA is looking at LAXATL.

Oh man I hope so. Either UA or AA should start LAX-ATL. It's too big of a market for one carrier (yeah yeah FL serves it too I know).
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:03 am

LAX-ATL is a tough market but i could see one 737-800 like they maintain to EWR if its perfectly timed being possible.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 27):
Oh man I hope so. Either UA or AA should start LAX-ATL. It's too big of a market for one carrier (yeah yeah FL serves it too I know).

AA would bleed even more money if they tried this..I believe UA tried it a few years ago and was also cancelled,so if UA wasn't able to make it work i highly doubt AA can.But like someone else said if it was to happen you would see LAX-DFW in a heartbeat which i would love,i really miss those days when we had non-stops to DFW from LAX...
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 29):
AA would bleed even more money if they tried this

I don't think AA would bleed money with the frequent flyer base it has in the LA area. And UA I believe tried it a very long time ago, but ATL is today much larger than it was 10-15 years ago, with a larger economic base and population.

I don't think AA would bleed money at all, the market is large enough for several carriers to serve it.

And if DL wants to jump in on the AA/UA/VX LAX-DFW fight, go ahead.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
AA is looking at LAXATL

Can't they at least wait unti they get out of bankruptcy before going back to making stupid business decisions?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 5):
Quoting xjramper (Reply 4):

Have to wait till its loaded into the system on Saturday to see it on Delta.com or TravelNet.

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):

History shows you are likely to be wrong on that one.

In April and May 2012 LAX-HND only flew 62 and 67% full.

How about a cit that isn't restricted by crappy slots? (IRC NRT or SYD)

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 13):

Can't wait to see what happens!! My rumor ive been spreading around the ramp lately is DL going 2x daily LAX-KOA haha i can dream..

I do think at some point we will see more hawaii capacity from DL. Can see both LIH/KOA going 2x daily.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):

LAXRDU will be more interesting to watch. Market is not big enough for two airlines, and the end result might be it simply won't be served non-stop at all.

agreed. Unless AA dumps more capacity into it I think both will stay around.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
DL won't last on LAXBNA.

I disagree. I think DL has the fallowing to keep this one on both sides. IMO DL will likely stay the third carrier on the route, but I think they can keep it around. (and that all depends on how long they want to lose money)

Quoting surfdog75 (Reply 26):

I hope AA does LAX-ATL. It'd be nice to see DL add back LAX-DFW in response. Everything out of DFW on DL is packed to the gills.

ORD, BOS, WAS, DEN and DFW are the biggest holes in the Delta LAX network. I would like to see Delta add the big four Texas cities from LA soon rather than later. (but I think DEN or PDX will be the next shorthaul adds.)
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 27):

WN is on the route nonstop as well 1x daily and as you mentioned FL is 3x daily. I'm convinced that if AA attempts LAX-ATL DL will respond with LAX-DFW. But on the second thought if we are to believe in the new commitment and expansion of LAX we will see DFW, BOS, DEN to name a few giant holes in DL's offering from LAX.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:27 am

To respond to the initial post: I'm not surprised. DL is DL, and they don't want to lose all LAX-RDU pax. But it probably won't impact AA much. Neither flight will.

As far as hubs go, DL operates something like 105 daily flights (I think including regional). And LAX is a major destination for many SkyTeam airlines. So it is an important destination.

I'm not surprised, but I don't think AA is going anywhere anytime soon, and I think these routes will hurt DL more than AA or WN.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:29 am

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 34):

As far as hubs go, DL operates something like 105 daily flights (I think including regional). And LAX is a major destination for many SkyTeam airlines. So it is an important destination.

Getting close to busting 110 flights a day. IIRC this will put Delta right at ~108 flights from LAX.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:34 am

Just a note, its a little OT but I'm to lazy to go and find the thread.

PR for the start for SEA flights. Not sure why they didn't include BNA, because its on the PR on DeltaNet

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1837
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:43 am

Well no one is prone to mistakes, and this may very well be one, but DL does seem to be cutting the crap recently and trying hard to fly only flights that make money. I don't think they're just blindly adding it without a reason. Again, it could flop, but given DL's recent actions, I think there is much more that meets the eye.

But yeah, DL's track record is sketchy in some areas... LAX being one
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 31):
Can't they at least wait unti they get out of bankruptcy before going back to making stupid business decisions?

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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 32):
disagree. I think DL has the fallowing to keep this one on both sides. IMO DL will likely stay the third carrier on the route, but I think they can keep it around. (and that all depends on how long they want to lose money)

I agree too...DL has a decent FF base in BNA.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:01 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 31):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
AA is looking at LAXATL

Can't they at least wait unti they get out of bankruptcy before going back to making stupid business decisions?

Why is it stupid for an airline to fly to ATL from its fourth largest hub, in a market (LAX) where AA is the strongest airline among corporate travellers?

Even if it's not the easiest market to compete in, the fact is AA needs to strengthen its lead in the LA market, and adding more key business markets like Atlanta, and more frequency in its established markets (which it has started doing with YYZ, BNA and OKC, for example).

Then again, everybody thought AA was stupid and would never last entering LAXIAH and LAXSLC.

AA has a huge advantage coming out of LAX after BK: the nicest facilities, more gates coming up in 2014/15, the strongest partner collection, the strongest share of LAX-originating O&D premium travellers (and I believe overall, as well, after WN), the strongest share of LAX corporate travel contracts and the only alliance that will allow every possible connection to be within security. LAX might never be dominated by one airline, but there will always be an airline stronger in the market than the rest, and AA wants to be that airline.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 32):
I think DL has the fallowing to keep this one on both sides.

I would be shocked if DL had more of a "fallowing" than AA or WN in either BNA or LAX, but I'd love to have someone convince me otherwise.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):

I don't think anybody was stating that DL had a larger following in either LA or BNA, but that their following was maybe large enough to warrant a once daily flight between LAX and BNA on its own metal. And I'm sure being able to connect onward from LAX to SEA, SAN, OAK, SFO, SMF, and other destinations on AS will help fill up the plane. Not saying any of this will make the route profitable or keep DL on the route long term but it could maybe work. In my opinion I give it a 40/60% chance of success.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:10 am

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 41):
I don't think anybody was stating that DL had a larger following in either LA or BNA, but that their following was maybe large enough to warrant a once daily flight between LAX and BNA on its own metal.

Let's say DL can get a 20 percent market share with a nonstop. That's only about 60 PDEW, and with only one nonstop flight, some DL passengers will doubtless connect. I don't see how the airplane goes out full.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:22 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 42):

Starting off I don't either, but with the right attention, support, and maybe if they stick to it long enough it just might. That's why I'm giving it a 40% chance of working and that's the optimist in me talking. I think all this depends how well DL sticks to its guns with this round of LAX expansion.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:31 am

BNA-LAX has a simple reason behind it...the entertainment industry. It's mostly the music biz but sometimes the TV and movie biz needs a direct from these two entertainment business locations and for years, AA has been the only game in town (a holdover of the original AA hub in BNA). Southwest has been able to poach some of this business (although a lot of theirs is leisure travel) and DL is seeing if there is enough of a market for them as well. There are already competing non-stops between DL and AA over BNA-LGA (the other entertainment capital) so I'm not completely surprised to see them making a run at it.

I've flown DL to LAX from BNA twice in the last few months...one for business and one on vacation (passing through to Hawaii). It would have been nice to skip ATL on the way there. I imagine upgrades are a lot easier out of Nashville versus fighting for them in ATL. Interesting choice of a 738 for equipment...although it's too much to expect a 752 on this route...there hasn't been 757 hardware in BNA for years now. Can the MD90 make this distance?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:37 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):

I would be shocked if DL had more of a "fallowing" than AA or WN in either BNA or LAX, but I'd love to have someone convince me otherwise.

Where did i say that?

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 43):

Starting off I don't either, but with the right attention, support, and maybe if they stick to it long enough it just might. That's why I'm giving it a 40% chance of working and that's the optimist in me talking. I think all this depends how well DL sticks to its guns with this round of LAX expansion.

this.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):
more gates coming up in 2014/15,

maybe. AFAIK TBIT hasn't hit the magic number to give AA its TBIT gates.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):
the strongest partner collection,

uhh...not sure how you figure

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):
the nicest facilities,

uhh Terminal 5 is just as nice as T4....and lets not act like the box is some super nice terminal....

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):
the strongest share of LAX corporate travel contracts

proof?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:41 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 45):
Where did i say that?

The market isn't big enough for three, so if you believe DL is going to make it work, you have to believe that DL has an advantage somewhere. I'd like to know where that advantage is. It's certainly not in Nashville.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):
AA has a huge advantage coming out of LAX after BK: the nicest facilities, more gates coming up in 2014/15, the strongest partner collection, the strongest share of LAX-originating O&D premium travellers (and I believe overall, as well, after WN), the strongest share of LAX corporate travel contracts and the only alliance that will allow every possible connection to be within security. LAX might never be dominated by one airline, but there will always be an airline stronger in the market than the rest, and AA wants to be that airline.

AA has no huge advantage at LAX because it doesn't have a huge advantage in any of the categories you mention, with the exception if the mostly irrelevant post-security issue. It has a small advantage in some of them, but it isn't even close to dominating any of them at this point. So, while one could argue that AA is in good shape at LAX, the truth is that only 3pts or so of revenue share separate the three majors. There is limited infrastructure for growth for any carrier, so no one should expect any dramatic changes in the status quo.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:56 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 46):

The market isn't big enough for three, so if you believe DL is going to make it work, you have to believe that DL has an advantage somewhere. I'd like to know where that advantage is. It's certainly not in Nashville.

I think they have the people in both cities to make it work.....

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 47):
AA has no huge advantage at LAX because it doesn't have a huge advantage in any of the categories you mention, with the exception if the mostly irrelevant post-security issue. It has a small advantage in some of them, but it isn't even close to dominating any of them at this point. So, while one could argue that AA is in good shape at LAX, the truth is that only 3pts or so of revenue share separate the three majors. There is limited infrastructure for growth for any carrier, so no one should expect any dramatic changes in the status quo.

           
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RE: DL To Start LAX-BNA, RDU-TPA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 48):
I think they have the people in both cities to make it work.....

You are avoiding the issue. Do you believe the market (~275 PDEW) is large enough for three carriers? If so, why?
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