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The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:36 pm

I've always wondered, how planes were able to be pushed out of position on the old Gate A10 at FRA:

http://goo.gl/maps/PVdma

There seems to be absolutely no space for the plane to be pushed back out of position... how did they do it? I know plenty of guys at FRA BVD (marshallers) etc, but it was all way before their time.

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:46 pm

I've seen somewhere, and to me it is the only reasonable explanation, that planes get pushed all the way out of the pier area onto taxiway M I think it is.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:56 pm

Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

I parked at that gate many times and it was an interesting pushback. You basically make an 180° turn on the taxi way. He pushes you back out of the position, then turned you even more and then pulled you forward onto the taxiway. And then disconnected. But that was only possible with rather small airplanes. So no 330 or something like that. I think biggest was 320.
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:22 pm

A1 and C2 look more tricky to me...
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:31 pm

Quoting Fly-K (Reply 3):
A1 and C2 look more tricky to me...

With those gates they just do what can be seen at B10. They swing the aircraft around and park it parallel (more or less) to the terminal, and then they just turn to exit.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:33 pm

Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

That's what I thought when I spotted the LH 310!
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

These images are at least eight years old. Rhein-Main AB closed in late 2005, Google's imagery shows a very much still active military ramp.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

On the picture, the old Halle 3 is still present, and the Lufthansa Flight Training is not built, so it dates to prior 2007!
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:12 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Google needs to update its maps! That

That image is from March 27, 2002.

There are updated images available, but I don't know how to access them in Google Maps. They are available in Google Earth. However the newest is 12/31/2008 - and doesn't show the new runway either.

The reason Google keeps the March 27, 2002 image as the default is that it is one of the most popular, most famous images in their system.

It shows three images of a LH B747 and four shadows just off the northeast end of the runways. This is a perfect example of how aerial imagery is used, blending tiles of small areas into a wider image.

There is just one aircraft which took off and was in four frames taken seconds apart. The blended image shows four shadows of the aircraft on the ground and three pictures of the aircraft in the air.

BTW - Bing Maps does show the new runway and terminal construction.

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):

Yes sir they do! It's pretty sad that they have hindered Germany, almost everywhere else in Europe they have StreetView, but when they get to Germany, only few selected cities have StreetView. I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):
Geez. Google needs to update its maps! That image is so old! No new runway, no Z gates, etc.

What caught my eye was the Fokker pushing back from C1(?) in British Midland livery (not even bmi then!). Very retro!
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
What caught my eye was the Fokker pushing back from C1(?) in British Midland livery (not even bmi then!). Very retro!

Just saw this! It was like stepping back into the mid-90's!
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:31 pm

What caught my eye was the Aeroflot A310 parked at B47.
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10):
I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.

It is.

Also, if you look at the cities where Street View is available, you'll often see houses which have been blurred. This was done at owner or occupant request (and Google was forced to comply with these requests by German privacy laws).

To see an example, enter "Thielallee 26, Berlin, Germany" on Google Maps and then look at the house to the right of it (Thielallee 28).
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:06 pm

This impossible gate in FRA reminds me of the gate that shouldn't be a gate in CLT... C2

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=charlo...&hq=charlotte+airport&z=20

When there is a heavy parked on D1 and a A320/B737 parked on C4...very tough location to get to especially with all those baggage carts hanging around.

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 5):

As of a week or so ago, IAD pics were current only up to a certain altitude. The most recent parallel runway magically disappears if you zoom out too much.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:45 pm

the greatest thing to see on that picture is the beautiful visitors terrace on Pier B - i really miss it!
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:21 pm

Remember when Airline did gate 3A at LAX?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfyUsuMI5ig&t=0m43s
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:03 pm

There is a gate at LGA like that. I believe it's D1. I sat in the food court and watched the tug push a DL 757 out in reverse, all the way out into the taxiway before spinning it around. It took a good 5-10 minutes of "three point turning" to get the wings clear in order to back out of the ramp without bashing the nose into the window that I was looking out of.

http://goo.gl/maps/nky2C
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting n126dl (Reply 19):

A 757! Wow. That must have been fun. Some guy in a pushback tow is really earning his pay. (And more!!) At least that gate is straightforward apart from the fact that it is awfully close to the terminal wall.

B81 down in the RJ area at DEN concourse B can be a bit fun. It's pretty close to the terminal wall, and is made more fun by the other RJ concourse directly behind it, and often quite a few other RJs on the concourse. I've seen CR9s there. I have never pushed back there, but I landed from AUS and arrived at the gate once.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 20):
Some guy in a pushback tow is really earning his pay.

It was like...pushpushpush OOPS, we're gonna smack the nose. Backup. Pushpushpush OOPS, we're gonna smack the nose.

Took a few tries to get the rear end swung out the right way. I could imagine the people inside's heads moving forward and backward like bobble head dolls.
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

Don't worry about that Gate A10. Look at these airbridges at the bottom of the pic :

http://goo.gl/maps/1T8xe

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:19 am

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 14):
Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10):
I believe it's due to some privacy laws in Germany, not sure though.

It is.

Also, if you look at the cities where Street View is available, you'll often see houses which have been blurred. This was done at owner or occupant request (and Google was forced to comply with these requests by German privacy laws).

No, it's not due to privacy laws. The law is on Google's side (it's perfectly legal to publish imagery from private buildings, as long as the pictures are taken from publicly accessible grounds). Google did meet stiff opposition concerning Street View in Germany, however, and they voluntarily restricted the service and allowed house owners to remove their houses from Street View.

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Nice facilities but useless...welcome to CDG   

Haha, that's great.   Heavens, CDG is a mess. But I love it. On the most interesting airports in the world.
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:41 am

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 22):
Look at these airbridges at the bottom of the pic :

Isn't that because one part of the bridge leads from the departure level boarding area and the other side leads to the arrivals level?
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:56 am

Quoting lh526 (Thread starter):

That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?

As for the gate very tricky bay I take its restricted to B737/A320 type...

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 22):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):

They indeed are Multi-level gates. But I think his point is that the gates at the bottom of the pic are blocked off by the terminal. Literally impossible to get to.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 9):
That image is from March 27, 2002.

There are updated images available, but I don't know how to access them in Google Maps. They are available in Google Earth. However the newest is 12/31/2008 - and doesn't show the new runway either.
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:35 am

Funny, A10 at MDW is an "impossible gate" as well. Takes some skill and finesse to get a E175 pushed back out of there. Never seen anything bigger than a 717 use A10 before.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=MDW,+South+Cicero+Avenue,+Chicago,+IL&hl=en&ll=41.785345,-87.742143&spn=0.001254,0.00327&sll=41.661685,-87.738727&sspn=0.643273,1.674042&oq=mdw+airport&t=h&gl=us&hq=MDW,+South+Cicero+Avenue,+Chicago,+IL&z=19
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:40 am

Another "impossible" gates, here in DTM:

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=dortmun...=0,0,10400618430448378589&t=h&z=19


They did so because a 737/320 would reach into the safety areas if it would taxi in forwards, so it has to be pushed backwards into the position. This applies to the positions 5 to 12 at DTM.


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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:08 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
That's a very old image of FRA when was that image taken..?

Google is very slow, as there are still active 742Fs of LH Cargo on that photo, its no younger than early 2005!
 
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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:08 pm

Quoting na (Reply 30):

Not only LH B742 also the new concourse is active which occupies the entire area too...

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:16 pm

Google has updated the USA.. recently I was browsing my town and there's new views and angles along with updated town changes.

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RE: The Impossible Gate At FRA

Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting Jet13 (Reply 32):

Mine is now on 45 degree view. You can see all the windows on the house, the trampoline in the yard, and the trashcans.

JFK was recently upgraded to 45 degree. T4 construction is viewable. T8 looks pretty cool. Are there any impossible gates at JFK?

Pushbacks at the west end of the DEN A concourse can be fun, because you have to turn at exactly the right time. If you turn to early, you hit an adjoining plane. If you turn late, you go right off into the dirt.

The first couple of gates nearest the Terminal at T1 LAX look a bit fun. You could hit a nearby plane or wall, and apparently ANZ occupies the gate across the way. Overall, LAX looks really close together, but no real impossible gates.