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DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:21 pm

With the beginning of 2013 how many DC-9s are currently in service? Will they begin the withdrawal before the beginning of deliveries of the717? Also of the currently known nunmber of 65 MD-90s planned for the fleet, how many are still remaining to actually put in service? I know that there are a few still in service with JAL but I think they are supposed to be withdrawn by the end of March. Is this correct?
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:37 pm

IIRC, there are 17 or 18 (I think 17) DC-9s left in service, all to be retired this year.

I was surprised to learn of their retirement plans. After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years! An a.net eternal question has been answered: When will the NWA 9s be retired?
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:55 pm

An updated question would read: 'When will the Delta DC-9s be retired?'
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:06 pm

The D95s will remain active into 2014. Several 752s will be retired before their replacements are online. The D95s and MD-90s will temporarily cover this capacity. The D95 will also provide DL some insurance until a successful 717 on-boarding has been established. By successful, I mean more than 10 frames with limited issues.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:42 pm

They will keep a DC-9 active at Mojave to bring back the Airbus ferry pilots.   
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:51 am

Quoting airtechy (Reply 4):
They will keep a DC-9 active at Mojave to bring back the Airbus ferry pilots.

The B717 (MD95) will still be flying ! they will just drop in and pick'em up and haul'em back to Atlanta.

So a Testament to the engineers at Long Beach in the early 60's.,first delivery in 65..still the BASIC design, and the same airframe will be in service probably until 2025..maybe a few more beyond that...who knows. So if my math is correct that would be 60 years.

I'd say that is a darn good run. The only aircraft I can forsee overtaking that is the 737. In service in 1968 (maybe late 67??)and no doubt deliveries of the MAX will go to at least 2030 (my estimate) and in service another 20..so to 2050 ish or so..
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:59 am

But these are indeed the ex-NW DC-9s. They will be here longer than the 717s :p But seriously, knowing the longevity of MDs, these 717s will be here for another 30 years.

DL is planning on replacing the DC-9s in the next couple of years. The 737 will indeed have a longer production run than the -9/80/717, but it remains to be seen which one will be in service last :p
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
I was surprised to learn of their retirement plans. After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years! An a.net eternal question has been answered: When will the NWA 9s be retired?

Well, not exactly correct. All the DC9's remaining are -50 series which are all less than 40 years old.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:28 am

A DC9 even flew a charter out of MSY yesterday!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...4/history/20130103/1400Z/KMSY/KGNV

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
After all, these are the old NWA birds that have been doing powerbacks for 40 years!

Sadly, powerbacks ended at NW in 2006.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:03 am

I worked one running MLB-ATL today and asked the pilot. He said one more is leaving tomorrow and he thought that would bring it to 14-15 left.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting michman (Reply 7):
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):

Yeah. It was a joke.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:14 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 5):
The only aircraft I can forsee overtaking that is the 737

I guess some B52s, while not in commercial service and with much less flying time, will live on even longer.

LH is still flying some A320s from 1988. Not so bad either if you ask me.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 1):
there are 17 or 18 (I think 17) DC-9s left in service, all to be retired this year.

Correct! According to aerotransport.org, DL began 2013 with 18 in service. 1 was sked to be removed from service yesterday (Jan 4) leaving 17 in service. Looks like N401EA was the tail retired yday.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:19 pm

I just flew on that bird a month ago! I took some pics and posted them on FB...and a buddy of mine from a former carrier said that his father had actually flown that bird years ago! Wild, eh?
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:30 pm

Well, it seems one is heading to the desert at the moment.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 12):

Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s, Allegheny to Eastern to NWA to DL. Sad that 3/4 of its operators no longer exist.

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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 5):

So a Testament to the engineers at Long Beach in the early 60's.,first delivery in 65..still the BASIC design, and the same airframe will be in service probably until 2025..maybe a few more beyond that...who knows. So if my math is correct that would be 60 years.

I wonder if my uncle had anything to do with the DC-9 program. I know he was involved with the DC-8.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:49 pm

Hey Guys! I appreciate the answer to my DC-9 question but nobody as yet has addressed my MD-90 question.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:56 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 15):
Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s

Dash 9s? I thought they came with -15s, and an option for -17s.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:14 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 18):
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 15):
Long live N401EA. 1975 built DC-9-51, cn 47682, JT8D-9s

Dash 9s? I thought they came with -15s, and an option for -17s.

No DC-9-51s had the JT8D-9 as far as I can tell. Even the -41 series didn't use the -9.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
Also of the currently known nunmber of 65 MD-90s planned for the fleet, how many are still remaining to actually put in service? I know that there are a few still in service with JAL but I think they are supposed to be withdrawn by the end of March. Is this correct?

Delta has 54 MD-90's in service. Jal's last MD-90 service is in March of this year, so yes you are correct.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
No DC-9-51s had the JT8D-9 as far as I can tell.

Correct. The DL DC-9-51's all had JT8D-17.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:39 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 20):
JAL's last MD-90 service is in March of this year,

Blog item on a "retirement tour" of the MD-90 early last year. It used the only MD-90 in the new JAL livery.
http://jal-pak.blogspot.ch/2012/11/jal-md-90-retirement-tour.html

And related JAL website page (in Japanese only, but includes some photos).
http://www.jal.co.jp/domtour/md90fnl_charter/

The page above using the Google translate tool.
http://translate.google.com/translat...mtour%2Fmd90fnl_charter%2F&act=url
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:40 am

Quoting bigbird (Reply 17):
Hey Guys! I appreciate the answer to my DC-9 question but nobody as yet has addressed my MD-90 question.

I think there are two or three of the first wave of JAL MD-90 that are currently in heavy check before they go into service.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):

You are correct. I had a JT8 info page up in another tab, and last I saw before writing the reply was JT8D-9. I meant to say just JT8D. The DL 9-51s are all JT8D-17.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:55 am

The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly.  
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:59 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 25):
The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly

Surprised to see they let the reservation for reg numbers N966DN-N980DN expire
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 25):
The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly

Woah, seriously? I have been suggesting this for over a year but was deemed crazy because Delta supposedly wouldn't touch the ex-Lion Air birds with a ten foot pole since JT had beaten the heck out of them and the maintenance was supposedly questionable. I guess Boeing Capital either is leasing or selling these aircraft to Delta for dirt cheap or Boeing agreed to overhaul these planes at their expense before they go to Delta.

Are all four ex-JT frames coming over? I know one was damaged in a landing gear accident but looking at the post incident pictures it looked like it could be repaird. It was still in Batam the last I heard.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 26):
Surprised to see they let the reservation for reg numbers N966DN-N980DN expire

Have any of these reg numbers been taken up by another operator?

[Edited 2013-01-16 21:10:39]
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:00 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 27):
Have any of these reg numbers been taken up by another operator?

They all show as available except for N971DN which already shows reserved for DL and N975DN which is deregistered from a 2010 Cessna export and may or may not be available now.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 27):

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 25):
The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly

Woah, seriously? I have been suggesting this for over a year but was deemed crazy because Delta supposedly wouldn't touch the ex-Lion Air birds with a ten foot pole since JT had beaten the heck out of them and the maintenance was supposedly questionable. I guess Boeing Capital either is leasing or selling these aircraft to Delta for dirt cheap or Boeing agreed to overhaul these planes at their expense before they go to Delta.

Northwest Airlines bought a number of Eastern Airlines DC-9-30s that had the you know what beat out of them.
They got them so cheap, they could not pass them up and still brought them up to the required standards.   
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:39 pm

I think its also interesting that NWA never placed an actual order for DC-9's they were all acquired through mergers or second hand!

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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 6):
But these are indeed the ex-NW DC-9s. They will be here longer than the 717s :p But seriously, knowing the longevity of MDs, these 717s will be here for another 30 years.

To be exact, they are former North Central/Repulic airplanes with on Eastern and one other "generic" thrown in for good mesure.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:09 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 31):
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 6):
But these are indeed the ex-NW DC-9s. They will be here longer than the 717s :p But seriously, knowing the longevity of MDs, these 717s will be here for another 30 years.

To be exact, they are former North Central/Repulic airplanes with one Eastern and one other "generic" thrown in for good measure.

Four of the DC-9-51 aircraft besides N401EA never came from Republic Airlines. Three were flown by Swiss Airlines and and one was operated by Austrian Airlines. Then all four went to Muse Airlines, then to Transtar Airlines, followed by Eastern Airlines and the then Continental Airlines got them. These four have N numbers that end in MC as a result of flying for Muse Airlines. When Continental was done using them, Northwest Airlines picked them up and good old Delta got them as a result of the "merger" with Northwest Airlines.   

[Edited 2013-01-17 21:10:48]
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:04 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 20):
Jal's last MD-90 service is in March of this year

I'm assuming you're referring to N937DN. I flew on her from GEG-MSP on New Year's day; very nice bird.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:08 pm

I sure am glad DL scheduled them into ROC this past Summer . Those things are LOUD at take off !! I got some nice shots,too! Hopefully they'll schedule them back,but I doubt it. Maybe a sub for an -88.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:11 pm

Friends, I fear that our old friend N401EA has been put out to pasture. According to Flightaware, the ship hasn't flown since January 4th.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N401EA

It would be a sad day if this is true, one of the few remaining remnants left of Eastern finally gone.

I flew N401EA a little over a year ago on EWR-ATL, sat in 23A right next to the engines. What a fantastic flight and a great bird, even after all these years.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:37 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 32):
Four of the DC-9-51 aircraft besides N401EA never came from Republic Airlines. Three were flown by Swiss Airlines and and one was operated by Austrian Airlines. Then all four went to Muse Airlines, then to Transtar Airlines, followed by Eastern Airlines and the then Continental Airlines got them. These four have N numbers that end in MC as a result of flying for Muse Airlines. When Continental was done using them, Northwest Airlines picked them up and good old Delta got them as a result of the "merger" with Northwest Airlines.

You are quite correct--NW inherited those former MUSE/Transtar airplanes after a swap with WN. They originially never planned to fly them and left them parked in the desert for several years before deciding to invest in their renovation. I had totally forgotten about that. Your memory is better than mine! Thanks for the clarification.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:22 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 25):
The latest update is that the ex-JT frames will be coming to DL. Yes, you read correctly.

N459BC recently flew KGYR-KBYH. Seems to me that means part-out and not entry into service. I haven't seen one Delta MD-90 transit BYH for reconfiguration. The MD-80's recently purchased from SAS are also in BYH for part-out. I guess further information is needed here in regards to the Ex-Lion MD-90's and their future status with Delta.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 37):
I guess further information is needed here in regards to the Ex-Lion MD-90's and their future status with Delta.

I recently heard from a reliable source that DL had acquired some MD90 frames for part-out. My first assumption was Saudi frames but perhaps these Lion Air derelicts are the ones being parted-out. Interesting if that is the case, probably quite affordable!
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:53 am

I have heard in the past that Dealt ahas bought all of Saudi's MD-90 spare parts and is acquiring some of the Saudi MD-90 aircraft for parts also.
  
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 11):

I guess some B52s, while not in commercial service and with much less flying time, will live on even longer.

The U.S. military E-3 Sentrys and E-6 Mercurys are built on the 707-320 fuselage and wings. They are among the last few 707 fuselages made (1989-1992), but as we know, the basic design goes back to the early 1950s.

I was surprised to learn last week that the Rolls-Royce Avon is still being manufactured. They are sold now as turboshaft engines and gas generators for stationary applications.
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 39):

don't know about aircraft for part out, but Delta did buy spare parts from Saudi
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:28 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 37):
N459BC recently flew KGYR-KBYH. Seems to me that means part-out and not entry into service.

At least one ex-Lion Air MD-90 is being considered for active service.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:59 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42):
At least one ex-Lion Air MD-90 is being considered for active service.

Any guess as to which one? Also are all four ex-Lion Air frames part of this deal (whether in whole or for parts)?
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 37):
The MD-80's recently purchased from SAS are also in BYH for part-out.

DL has bought 9 ex-SAS M80's for part-out so far.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 37):
I guess further information is needed here in regards to the Ex-Lion MD-90's and their future status with Delta.
Quoting akelley728 (Reply 43):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42):
At least one ex-Lion Air MD-90 is being considered for active service.

Any guess as to which one? Also are all four ex-Lion Air frames part of this deal (whether in whole or for parts)?

I can't see any purchases yet of ex-Lion M90's. Will post here if I see an update.

DL has 52 M90's in service. 13 more are in storage and/or being prepared for service. These 13 are ex-JAL, China Southern and China Eastern. All 13 are intended to enter service which will bring the fleet to 65.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 44):
I can't see any purchases yet of ex-Lion M90's. Will post here if I see an update.

Any update on this?
 
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 37):
N459BC recently flew KGYR-KBYH. Seems to me that means part-out and not entry into service. I haven't seen one Delta MD-90 transit BYH for reconfiguration.

Quite right. The ones that have been put into service fly to ATL for paint and VQQ for interiors. One just flew in today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...3/history/20130201/1900Z/KMZJ/KVQQ
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:44 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 32):
hese four have N numbers that end in MC as a result of flying for Muse Airlines.

Those MC birds came from Muse Air rather than Muse Airlines.
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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:49 am

Quoting cornutt (Reply 40):
The U.S. military E-3 Sentrys and E-6 Mercurys are built on the 707-320 fuselage and wings. They are among the last few 707 fuselages made (1989-1992), but as we know, the basic design goes back to the early 1950s.

I was surprised to learn last week that the Rolls-Royce Avon is still being manufactured. They are sold now as turboshaft engines and gas generators for stationary applications.

Interesting hint, do you have alonk regarding the Avon? On which line did they built the E-6's?

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RE: DL DC-9 & MD-90 Question

Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 48):
Interesting hint, do you have alonk regarding the Avon?

"The current version of the Avon, the Avon 200, is an industrial gas generator that is rated at 21-22,000shp. As of 2011, 1,200 Industrial Avons have been sold, and the type has established a 60,000,000 hour class record for its class."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls_Royce_Avon

http://www.rolls-royce.com/energy/en...gy_products/gas_turbines/avon_200/