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Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:27 am

With the speculation from the TImes of Trenton that F9 would be announcing an expansion of TTN, I went to flyfrontier.com to see if something would come out early seems the interactive route map did.

Looks like Chicago (MDW), Detroit, Raliegh-Durham (RDU), Atlanta and Columbus, OH. That sounds too adventurous but I don't know. here's the screen cap from fly frontier.com

Frontiers new cities


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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:57 am

Ok, its slowly coming out and there is no press release but some info can be found scattered on the website

TTN-MDW starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X weekly ex Saturday
TTN-ATL starts April 8, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Mon,Wed, Fri, Sat)
TTN-DTW starts Apirl 9, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Sun, Tue, Thur, Fri)
TTN-CMH Starts April 8, 2013 and is 3X Weekly (Sun, Mon, Thur)
TTN-RDU Starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X Weekly ex Saturday

These are some interesting choices and alot of them. WOW.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:27 pm

wow this is very interesting, indeed! GoOd luck to them, seems they are trying to diversify a bit. F9 doesnt even fly from MDW, RDU or CMH do they?

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:30 pm

I think that's a bit much on the RDU route. Will be pretty interesting to see how these pan out.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:34 pm

Why CMH and RDU? Are there companies in Princeton that have ties to those cities?
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:45 pm

F9 does fly from MDW to DEN.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:13 pm

This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:32 pm

To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" . I'm enjoying it because it benefits me but thats the long and short of it..
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:33 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 5):
F9 does fly from MDW to DEN.

I bet this flight is timed to be thru to DEN. I wonder if this also means that TTN-DEN isn't possible because of TTN's runway.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:59 pm

The runway is short and they don't want to open new stations, so it appears they are hooking up most things they can in the runway range limit.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:15 pm

Available via the online schedule (not bookable)

Here are the times for MDW, DTW and ATL. And the DEN-TTN 1 stop via MDW (havent figured out where the stop is TTN-DEN)

X TUE/SAT
F9 907 TTN 1035am MDW 1150am
F9 532 MDW 1115am TTN 205pm
TUE
F9 907 TTN 1105am MDW 1220pm
F9 908 MDW 100pm TTN 350pm

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TUE
F9 929 TTN 430pm DTW 615pm
F9 930 DTW 655pm TTN 835pm
THU
F9 929 TTN 1140am DTW 125pm
F9 930 DTW 205pm TTN 345pm
FRI
F9 929 TTN 150pm DTW 335pm
F9 930 DTW 415pm TTN 555pm
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MON
F9 933 TTN 605pm ATL 815pm
F9 934 ATL 855pm TTN 1059pm

WED
F9 933 TTN 150pm ATL 400pm
F9 934 ATL 440pm TTN 644pm

FRI
F9 933 TTN 635pm ATL 845pm
F9 934 ATL 925pm TTN 1129pm

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X TUE/SAT

F9 532 DEN 715am TTN 205pm (44 minute stop in MDW)

Oh and with arrivals like 1059pm and 1129pm...HERE COME THE NIMBYS

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:30 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
I think that's a bit much on the RDU route. Will be pretty interesting to see how these pan out.

Been decades since I've lived in that area.

But I'm guessing that gridlock makes EWR and PHL a difficult access for the electronics and pharmaceutical firms in the New Jersey US-1 corridor. I'm also guessing that the residential communities on the Pennsylvania-side of the river will be taking leisure trips out of TTN.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:32 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...

Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" . I'm enjoying it because it benefits me but thats the long and short of it..

They are looking to be more than DEN. They've gotten chased out of a lot of places, so yes they are experimenting. Will it work? Who knows? But with markets everywhere already saturated they have to be given credit for trying new things.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
This massive TTN expansion seems to be very fitting of the phrase "betting the farm" for F9, we'll have to see how it turns out...

Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

It's not betting the farm, but they are squandering their gold if it fails again.

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
They are looking to be more than DEN. They've gotten chased out of a lot of places

Will B6 or DL react? I think DL in TTN-ATL is almost a lock. Surprised they chose that one. DL has flown it before I think.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
makes EWR and PHL a difficult access for the electronics and pharmaceutical firms in the New Jersey US-1 corridor

Also, WN is dropping PHL-RDU. I think there are few ties between PA and Raleigh, including pharma companies like GSK having presence, and demand that was built up over the years through WN. I don't know about CMH- would have suggested CLE over CMH. Cleveland is a larger market though Columbus is central between Cleveland and Cincinnati.

TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN. While I don't think WN would be interested in that route, it cuts a little from their PHL and EWR-MDW. TTN-ATL could have been a route WN flies if it didn't want to fly PHL-ATL say after FL is ceased.

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:07 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN. While I don't think WN would be interested in that route, it cuts a little from their PHL and EWR-MDW.

I see DL and perhaps B6 caring about this. I think US probably doesn't add TTN.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Only the leisure markets in Florida have even a chance of working.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 1):
TTN-ATL starts April 8, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Mon,Wed, Fri, Sat)

Meanwhile F9 cuts ATL-DEN from 3.0 to .8. Can TTN-ATL be better use of a plane???

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
Give me a break. This is using what, all of 2 planes?

a F9 FA told me they are losing something like 10 frames in 2013. Will this just be temporary, then used to backfill DEN.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Will B6 or DL react? I think DL in TTN-ATL is almost a lock

Why would B6 care? Also why should DL open a station they just closed a few years ago to respond to a carrier that will most likely fail (The TTN-ATL timings stink for TTN point of sale pax) resulting in DL having to keep TTN open for probably a full year in order to avoid DOJ scrutiny?

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN

Not really. I doubt they are unnerved. It probably will take 1 pax per flight off their flights.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-ATL could have been a route WN flies if it didn't want to fly PHL-ATL say after FL is ceased.

WN didnt get to where they are by being dumb.

Fact that F9 is doing this rather than DEN expansion, doesnt bode well for the airline's future. Almost anything from DEN should do better. How about DEN-CAE 4x weekly? DEN-SYR or ROC 4x weekly? Geez that's gotta be better system wise.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:28 pm

doesn't TTN have a midnight curfew? I would think a 2329 arrival from Atlanta will cut it close when the summer thunderstorm season kicks in. Mercer county use to publish the violators publicly on their website.

this will also be competing with Nk on the acy - atl / dtw / ord seasonal service

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:56 pm

RDU is big from NYC. All of them except CMH are likely to work VERY well.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:05 pm

I am sure they did their homework on the potential and this isnt dart-board network planning. I am guessing that the RDU segment is aimed at biotech and CMH is insurance/financial services. The head-scratcher to me is is DTW.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:06 pm

TTNs curfew is voluntary, all they do is publish your info on the website (that no one goes to BTW)
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:13 pm

Are these new flights in addition to the announced Florida and MSY schedules?
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
Why would B6 care?

Look at the geography, it is definitely in the NYC catchment, as much as SWF is.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
Also why should DL open a station they just closed a few years ago to respond to a carrier that will most likely fail

To make sure

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
to avoid DOJ scrutiny?

Nobody seems to care about them any more in this industry
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:37 pm

I for one love this - I have booked F9 for a weekend in New Orleans in March and it's great to see their expansion. I believe initial bookings have been strong. Although strange routes - CMH, DTW, RDU?
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 19):
The head-scratcher to me is is DTW.

There is some pharma/biotech in Detroit area, esp Ann Arbor and to north and west.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:57 pm

An idea for the F9 marketing team. Although a transportation competitor of sorts F9 might want to think about entering a MOU with http://us.megabus.com/default.aspx to provide and market service from from PHL and the NYC area to TTN. The free parking at TTN is another perk which should draw some fliers from outlying areas.

Although MegaBus does not currently service TTN it does provide service to Princeton and three other NJ cities. Service is offered from the NYC to Princeton but not PHL to TTN/Princeton. That's an easy fix though.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
DL has flown it before I think.

Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):

Look at the geography, it is definitely in the NYC catchment, as much as SWF is.

TTN is actually closer to Manhattan than SWF.
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 17):
doesn't TTN have a midnight curfew? I would think a 2329 arrival from Atlanta will cut it close
Quoting JA (Reply 18):
TTNs curfew is voluntary, all they do is publish your info on the website

In the noise abatement FAQ at http://www.state.nj.us/counties/mercer/departments/airport/ it also say the TTN ATC tower tower is manned until 10: PM I suppose that is going to change if it hasn't already with the late ATL arrivals on Monday and Friday.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
But I'm guessing that gridlock makes EWR and PHL a difficult access for the electronics and pharmaceutical firms in the New Jersey US-1 corridor.

Accepting that traffic makes access to EWR & PHL difficult from central N.J., the sub-daily schedule in most markets makes F9 @ TTN less attractive for business travel. Most people traveling on business aren't going to stay an extra night in a hotel to save an hour on the road.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 4):
Why CMH and RDU?

I don't really get this either. They're (re-)opening stations just for a few flights a week to TTN?
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs.

DL (Comair) actually flew to ATL and BOS frmo 2006-2007.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
DL has flown it before I think.

Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs.

DL flew to both BOS and ATL from TTN: http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=633

3x daily to BOS, 1x daily to ATL.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 27):
it also say the TTN ATC tower tower is manned until 10: PM I suppose that is going to change if it hasn't already with the late ATL arrivals on Monday and Friday.

Not necessarily.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 25):
An idea for the F9 marketing team. Although a transportation competitor of sorts F9 might want to think about entering a MOU with http://us.megabus.com/default.aspx to provide and market service from from PHL and the NYC area to TTN. The free parking at TTN is another perk which should draw some fliers from outlying areas.

You know, that is a good idea. I could get them some buses from Center City Philadelphia and New York City. Frankly, they could move the E190s to work out of SWF and the Port Authority would be VERY helpful in that regard as well.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:42 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
DL has flown it before I think.

Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs.

They flew Dec06-Jun07 with CRJ.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting JA (Reply 31):
You know, that is a good idea. I could get them some buses from Center City Philadelphia and New York City

Is there a shuttle between TTN and the West Trenton SEPTA stop? I guess taxis would work...
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
How about DEN-CAE 4x weekly? DEN-SYR or ROC 4x weekly? Geez that's gotta be better system wise.

I think any of those routes would be awful. There are reasons why Southwest turned down the multi-million dollar subsidy offer from CAE.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 28):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 4):
Why CMH and RDU?

I don't really get this either. They're (re-)opening stations just for a few flights a week to TTN?

I'm scratching my head about those two as well. I could maybe make a case for RDU, but CMH is a puzzle to me.

Mostly, i am concerned about TTN-ATL and potential Delta retaliation - DTW makes it a double poke in the eye with a burnt stick. Then again, I'm not privy to what is said in the boardrooms, and I have no idea was discussed between BB and Delta in the negotiations for the LGA slots.

Those LGA slots are obviously beneficial to Delta and I might hope it would respond in kind. But in my experience, leopards don't change their spots.

Then again, i don't know if CEO Siegel is (a) ready for a battle or (b) looking for one. Somehow, this occasional but vicious war between Frontier and Delta has to be addressed.

I was completely happy with TTN as a leisure flight base and am happy with with MDW as a substitute for DEN - not as good, lacking connections to the west, but then most of the choices would lack those connections and Chicago has its own attractions.

But I think this expansion changes the nature of Frontier at TTN. Good? Bad? Dunno.

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Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:55 pm

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 8):
I bet this flight is timed to be thru to DEN. I wonder if this also means that TTN-DEN isn't possible because of TTN's runway

Not that I can tell. It's not even an allowed booking based on the cities I can select on their reservation page. I was hoping for it.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
It's not betting the farm, but they are squandering their gold if it fails again.

I still don't know why COS didn't work, it's their own (the customers) darn fault -- not the airline's -- for not using what surveys and market research seemed to show would work. I figure those they ask for surveys don't follow through? Crying for more servive, but don't use it, go figure. Anyhow, TTN is an experiment, like COS, not a squandering. I don't know if much money was actually lost at COS, given that it was already a station, and had paying customers on planes that may have made more money than being utilized elsewhere. To a point, not enough. Perhaps TTN will work better. If the hot air that customers blow about needing new service actually materialize.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
DL has flown it before I think.

Not TTN, perhaps your thinking of ACY where DL flew to both ATL and MCO with CRJs.

I was thinking it was WIlmington, which I think DL did serve, but apparently they did serve TTN, too.

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:56 pm

Wow, this is quite interesting. Anyone know how loads are looking for the previously announced routes?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" . I'm enjoying it because it benefits me but thats the long and short of it..
Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 12):
They are looking to be more than DEN. They've gotten chased out of a lot of places, so yes they are experimenting. Will it work? Who knows? But with markets everywhere already saturated they have to be given credit for trying new things.

Yep, F9 seems to be attempting to diversify their eggs that are all in the same basket at DEN, with limited success at least in my opinion.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 8):
I bet this flight is timed to be thru to DEN. I wonder if this also means that TTN-DEN isn't possible because of TTN's runway.

It's not too bad looking at next June - there is a 2 hr 50 min connection offered on the website TTN-MDW-DEN. The return has a 1.5 hour connection (also bookable) DEN-MDW-TTN.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
Also, WN is dropping PHL-RDU. I think there are few ties between PA and Raleigh, including pharma companies like GSK having presence, and demand that was built up over the years through WN. I don't know about CMH- would have suggested CLE over CMH.

WN also flew PHL-CMH in addition to PHL-RDU. CMH performed relatively poor with low load-factors in the high 50% area. US was in the 80's on the same route. PHL-RDU appears to have performed a little better in the low 70's, with US performing slightly better.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 14):
TTN-MDW might be a little unnerving to WN. While I don't think WN would be interested in that route, it cuts a little from their PHL and EWR-MDW.
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):

Not really. I doubt they are unnerved. It probably will take 1 pax per flight off their flights.

PHL and EWR - MDW will be at 6 daily each this summer so I can't imagine a less than daily flight will take too much away either.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 16):
Meanwhile F9 cuts ATL-DEN from 3.0 to .8. Can TTN-ATL be better use of a plane???

Makes me wonder with DEN having connecting feed and an FF base if TTN-ATL can work. Of course F9 won't have the competition on TTN-ATL though.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 28):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 4):Why CMH and RDU?
I don't really get this either. They're (re-)opening stations just for a few flights a week to TTN?

Seems risky from a cost stand point - maybe they know something about TTN we don't. 
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:00 pm

I have no idea the thoughts behind this. Did they learn nothing from the LAX flights, should we bring up the CUN hub flights.
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:20 pm

What makes F9 decide to do something like this at TTN vs another city like MSY or AUS?
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 28):
Most people traveling on business aren't going to stay an extra night in a hotel to save an hour on the road.

Well, it has to build somehow. Probably first by building the leisure traffic and then increase of frequency.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 36):
PHL and EWR - MDW will be at 6 daily each this summer so I can't imagine a less than daily flight will take too much away either.

WN probably currently carries most of the NJ to Chicago leisure traffic. There might be no impact to them in the summer with one more flight from another LFC when there is anyways more demand. NK also has an ACY-ORD flight in the summer. However, if F9 does well on TTN-MDW and it increases frequency on it, and it could attract business traffic. That's the only reason I mentioned WN. F9 seems pretty dedicated to TTN. They are giving MDW the almost daily frequency as well, even when Chicago fares are generally reasonable anyways from PHL and EWR. PHL-CLE and EWR-CLE fares are very high, and it could have done that route, and would have gotten more than just leisure, but chose the bigger midwestern city, Chicago.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 37):
I have no idea the thoughts behind this. Did they learn nothing from the LAX flights, should we bring up the CUN hub flights.

TTN is not PHL, nor is it BMD, which would be more analogous to compare to LAX or CUN. I think of TTN as more like IWA or PHF, under- or non-served airports in a larger metro area that seem to be working well with pioneering airlines.

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Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 34):
Mostly, i am concerned about TTN-ATL and potential Delta retaliation - DTW makes it a double poke in the eye with a burnt stick. Then again, I'm not privy to what is said in the boardrooms, and I have no idea was discussed between BB and Delta in the negotiations for the LGA slots.

I bet that DL will retaliate with both TTN-ATL and TTN-DTW within one week from now, with ATL on the CR7 or CR9 and DTW on the CR2, and both with 2x daily frequencies. If they're feeling gutsy in ATL, I could see them throwing in TTN-RDU and/or MSP as well.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:39 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 37):
I have no idea the thoughts behind this. Did they learn nothing from the LAX flights, should we bring up the CUN hub flights.

CUN was never a hub. It's difficult to think how it could be, with no connection opportunities there.

It remains a strong destination for Frontier with a dozen routes (in season) and considerable support from Apple Vacations.

PUJ is headed in the same direction.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 38):
What makes F9 decide to do something like this at TTN vs another city like MSY or AUS?

There's a paper written about it by one of the two architects of it. It was written before this expansion was announced:

http://www.theairlinezone.com/2012/11/trenton-airport/

"There are a handful of commercially certified airports that are not currently served around the United States that the major airlines have overlooked or avoided for various reasons. In some cases, these airports have large populations that would be willing to use them if there was adequate commercial service. Serving the populations around some of these airport opportunities should not necessarily be defined as serving-the-under-served; but as better-serving-the-inconvenienced. These inconvenienced population centers have adequate service within a +/- 60 minute driving distance, but would prefer a closer-in option for air travel if the service was offered."

Although I have little doubt some members of a.not will find holes to pick.

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" .


This seems very similar to what they tried at COS.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:46 am

Hope TTN pans out, wishing nothing but success for them, its a nice airline. I have to wonder though with all the expansion NK is doing at DFW if maybe they missed the boat on that one by having a southern tier hub? DFW is proving to be good for NK.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:58 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 44):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 7):
To use another phrase, I'm wondering if F9 isn't "Throwing (crap) against the wall and seeing what sticks" .


This seems very similar to what they tried at COS.

I'm kind of surprised they aren't going to do TTN-BOS. Seems like it would offer nice feed at least the Florida markets. Also, you currently cannot connect in MDW to DEN, even though the same airplane flies TTN-MDW-DEN. I'd think they would at least want to offer that.
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 46):
I'm kind of surprised they aren't going to do TTN-BOS.

I am, too. But I guess there's still plenty of time to do so, although it may depend on aircraft availability.

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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:06 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 47):
I am, too. But I guess there's still plenty of time to do so, although it may depend on aircraft availability.

It looks like they'd have enough time from when the aircraft gets back from Florida to RON in BOS and then an early am flight to TTN before it heads back to Florida/MSY
 
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:30 am

Actually DL would gain more from TTN-ATL then F9 does because they will have the connecting pax. I can't do TTN-SLC on F9, I could do TTN-ATL-SLC on Delta. I will however fly F9 whenever possible because they are the only ones keeping TTN in business. If DL started TTN they would drop it as soon as F9 dropped DTW and ATL. Best of luck F9 but you shouldn't have poked the tiger with a stick.
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RE: Frontier's New TTN Cities?

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:39 am

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 46):
Also, you currently cannot connect in MDW to DEN, even though the same airplane flies TTN-MDW-DEN.

I checked some random dates in June and F9 does offer TTN-MDW-DEN and back for sale:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 36):
It's not too bad looking at next June - there is a 2 hr 50 min connection offered on the website TTN-MDW-DEN. The return has a 1.5 hour connection (also bookable) DEN-MDW-TTN.

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