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The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:03 pm

Today there are just a handful of non-stops in and out of GIG, while GRU is choking to fit anyone else, the growth of tourism in Rio up about 5% last year, and is expected to climb, there is a lot of business (not ALL business is in Sao Paulo) how many more international flights may we see going to GIG first? At peak hours it seems as if GIG has some capacity to do so and many large aircraft there are off to stop at GRU before heading off to the USA, Europe, ME and Asia. My personal experience on LH, TP, UA (to IAH) and TAM have all been full flights. (I can't speak of AA as I haven't flown the non stop in a decade.)

Will we see majors adding nonstops? or reverse tags like GIG then GRU?

How much renovation and enlargement of GIG will there be? I can see T2 getting some growth now, but under construction.

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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:11 pm

Well looks like GIG just got flights from ET....
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:46 am

Rio de Janeiro will welcome the FIFA World cup in 2014 and the summer Olympics in 2016. No doubt the number of visitors will grow substantially not only during but also after these events. In the same time, Brazil is growing at an impressive pace. IMHO GIG is likely to receive more nonstops. Some announcements have already been made :

Besides ET as quoted above :

- LAM is starting a daily GIG - MIA as from Jan 21st (B767-300ER) in addition to the daily TAM flight on the same route (A330)

- Corsair International (SS) is planning to open ORY - GIG (winter 2013)


GIG is already well connected to the Americas and Europe. I would rather bet on an increase in frequencies and/or capacities than on lots of new routes to/from these regions.

However, if I am not mistaken, GIG is not connected to any asian hub (while Brazil welcome almost 300.000 visitors each year from this continent). So why not JL, KE, SQ, CX, CZ or TK, EY, QR in the near future ?
I would not rule out SA as there is a fair amount of south african visitors too.
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 am

Quoting Azure (Reply 2):
LAM is starting a daily GIG - MIA as from Jan 21st (B767-300ER) in addition to the daily TAM flight on the same route (A330)

I think you meant to say LAN. Indeed, LAN Airlines will launch SCL-GIG-MIA daily utilizing the B-767-316ER. TAM recently launched SCL-GIG and GIG-MVD. LATAM Airlines also plans to launch GIG-LIM daily.

[Edited 2013-01-09 02:53:46]
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:15 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
I think you meant to say LAN

Of course, sorry for the typo !
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:27 am

oneworld carriers

Quoting Azure (Reply 4):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
I think you meant to say LAN

Of course, sorry for the typo !

No worries. Also, fellow oneworld carriers AA and BA plan to increase frequency on flights into GIG. AA plans to increase frequency on the DFW-GIG route from 3x weekly to a daily service and BA plans to operate LHR-GIG daily.

[Edited 2013-01-09 03:29:11]
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:41 am

I think it is only a matter of time before Australasian routes are arriving into Rio - even just as part of a triangle routing with GRU . GRU has several factors which make flights from this part of the world undesirable (not as a destination, in terms of flight planning and payload) which GIG does not share ( lower altitude, longer runway etc). Brazil as a destination has grown hugely from this region.
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:47 am

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
many large aircraft there are off to stop at GRU before heading off to the USA, Europe,

The only airline that does that is United.
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:31 pm

Rio has gone from being the main gateway to Brazil to having almost no intercontinental flights to having many flights again. Because of the World Cup, Olympics and economic growth, but not airport growth, Rio has grown lots. Even Emirates flies to Rio as well as GRU.
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting Azure (Reply 4):

Thanks! I have had to fly out of GIG to other continents and it's not that difficult right now to do it while staying in *A but when TAM goes to OW, options will be more far more limited. Europe; I still have LH, TP, many more through GRU, Singapore via GRU to Asia. No nonstops out of GIG (does LX?) The US is covered well with United, but no United non-stop to NY. TAM/LATAM is going to bite Star!

Living and working in NY and Rio (and frequent biz trips to Europe) I kind of need TAM, the same way I needed RG. I have way too much skin in the game on United to switch to OW. But it seems with LATAM, AA and probably US Airways ...Star will have a pretty weak hand. One EWR to GIG would help and some sort of alliance for Star inside Brazil, but Avianca seems awfully slow on the uptake!

What is the potential of other Star Carriers? Ethopean may get me to Asia. Has Turkish ever discussed GIG?
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:54 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 9):
Has Turkish ever discussed GIG?

the way they are growing it is just a matter of time. They will likely end up flying GRU & EZE as two seperate flights eventually and be looking for greater exposure to the Latin market. GIG will surely feature in any future expansion. I think it may even have been mentioned along with CCS/HAV in a relatively recent discussion regarding TK growth in the region.
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:57 pm

GIG has proved a success for BA. About two years since it stopped being a tag to LHR-GRU, initially with a 3x weekly flight. This Winter the flight is 6x weekly, but for Summer 2013 it becomes a daily flight.
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting Azure (Reply 2):
Rio de Janeiro will welcome the FIFA World cup in 2014 and the summer Olympics in 2016.

And I´ll bet, that EK will start a A380 service, at least for the FIFA World cup as they are main finacier for the FIFA.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
The only airline that does that is United

   I think so too.
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:34 pm

AF/KLM is also a relatively large player in both GIG and GRU:

AF will operate CDG-GIG-CDG 13x weekly in Summer 2013 with A332 and B744, while CDG-GRU-CDG is operated 2x/daily with B772 and B77W.

In Summer 2013 KLM will increase the frequency of AMS-GIG-AMS to 5x/weekly non-stop with B777-200, having re-launched the route only last summer 2012 3x/weekly. While the AMS-GRU-AMS route is operated daily with a mixture of B77W and B772.
 
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:45 pm

It seems that AM is considering launching service to GIG during 2013. Whether it will be a nonstop from MEX or an extension of the MEX-GRU flights, I don't know.
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RE: The Future Of International Non-stops From Rio?

Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:20 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 13):
AF/KLM is also a relatively large player in both GIG and GRU:
Quoting United885 (Reply 12):
And I´ll bet, that EK will start a A380 service, at least for the FIFA World cup as they are main finacier for the FIFA.

AF has already announced that it would launch a A380 service to Brazil by 2014 (more likely GRU than GIG though). It is also planning to open new routes, such as Brasilia and/or Fortaleza.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 9):
What is the potential of other Star Carriers? Ethopean may get me to Asia. Has Turkish ever discussed GIG?

TAP is already the major European player in Brazil but AF/KL is very closed to the portugese carrier in term of passenger traffic, with fewer destinations. LH is behind AF on this sector. LX serves only GRU with its own metal for the moment. SQ mainline is not expanding its network right now. IMHO TK is the *A airline which has the largest potential for growth here : IST is well located for asian/middle-eastern connections towards brazil.

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