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Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:49 pm

A few questions for you ....

Mexicana and the Boeing 727

Mexicana made use of both the 100 version and the 200 version.

Can anyone tell me when the 200 version was introduced into Mexicana's fleet and did they use both versions at the same time ?

Thanx for any answers.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:27 pm

Mexicana used both versions at the same time, up to the early 80s

The first 100s arrived in 1966.

The frist 200s arrived in June of 1974.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:46 pm

Thanx for that info. Do you have any info when they stopped using the B727 100's and 200's ?
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:56 pm

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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:02 am

I recall seeing 727-100 listed in the timetables up until 1981, but I´m not sure.

The last flight for the 200s was on 2003, on a rotation MEX-MTY-MEX. Here´s a nice little video of the event. Don´t waste your time trying to understand the two idiots. Nothing they say is worth it. The images are great, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lUzqhSV-Q
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
Thanx for that info. Do you have any info when they stopped using the B727 100's and 200's ?


The -100s lasted until the end of 1982. The last revenue -200 flight was made on May 30, 2003 by XA-MEE.

The -264A was truly the workhorse of the MX fleet. I spent 20 years doing weight and balance on those birds! You could fill it up, max it out and it would fly any route MX had at the time with very few limits.

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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 5):
You could fill it up, max it out and it would fly any route MX had at the time with very few limits.

The MEX-SJU being a great example of that.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:08 am

The first Boeing 727-264 was accepted by Mexicana in October, 1970, followed by two more the same year. Those birds were XA-TAA, XA-TAB, and XA-TAC.

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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 7):
The first Boeing 727-264 was accepted by Mexicana in October, 1970, followed by two more the same year. Those birds were XA-TAA, XA-TAB, and XA-TAC.


You are right. It was the first 264As with enhanced engine performance that arrived in 1974.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:15 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
Do you have any info when they stopped using the B727 100's

The most recent MX 727-100 photo in the database is dated 1981.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:28 am

Mexicana was one of the largest 722 carriers outside the US. Might have been the largest at one point (I think AC was at one point with 39 in service).

Check out the following post on the "hump backed" Mexicana 722 which was repaired after an accident with a noticeable bump on top of its fuselage.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/print.main?id=3004497
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:31 am

Thanx for all this info. I flew Mexicana B727 200 back in 1988.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
Mexicana was one of the largest 722 carriers outside the US. Might have been the largest at one point (I think AC was at one point with 39 in service).

It was, with 45 in service at one point.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:39 am

The only airline to install JATO rockets on B-727!! Anyone see that happen??
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
Mexicana was one of the largest 722 carriers outside the US. Might have been the largest at one point (I think AC was at one point with 39 in service).

It was, with 45 in service at one point.

AC had more factory-delivered 722s than MX (39 vs. 35) but MX operated more in total including those acquired from other sources.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting NDWDCPGUY (Reply 13):
The only airline to install JATO rockets on B-727!! Anyone see that happen??

You can see a Boeing test video of that here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7LErwBNobU
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting Citationjet (Reply 16):
See the video below of a Mexicana 727-100 rocket assisted takeoff from MEX. Did Mexicana use the RATO rockets in scheduled service, or was this just a test flight?

I recall reading somewhere that it was never used in actual service.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:09 am

Mexican used to operate 727-200's to the field where I am. Henson (Piedmont Express)
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 5):
The -264A was truly the workhorse of the MX fleet. I spent 20 years doing weight and balance on those birds! You could fill it up, max it out and it would fly any route MX had at the time with very few limits.

What was the bin layout on the Boeing 727 ( both -100 and -200 ), Also did you have to make the 727 rear heavy or front heavy? I know at WN they like to have the -300s rear heavy and the -700 ( and I am pretty sure the -800s) front heavy.

I am also somewhat curious as to why Mexicana decided not to buy more Boeing narrowbodies? It would have been neat to see a "737-864 or 737-964ER"..
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:39 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 18):
I am also somewhat curious as to why Mexicana decided not to buy more Boeing narrowbodies? It would have been neat to see a "737-864 or 737-964ER"..

I took a private tour of the MX facilities in 1996, and I asked that question to our guide, who was the Chief Pilot for the DC-10-15 fleet. He told me that at the point when a decision needed to be made for a 727 replacement, which was sometime around 1991, the only viable Boeing that came close to offering the capacity of the 727, was the 737-400. However, it was very lacking in performance out of MEX, and Mexicana found the 757 too big so at that point in time, they decided to go for the A320.

At least that was the version he gave to me.

But performance is a big issue for airlines whose hub is based at MEX. Mexicana chose to go with the 757 instead of the A321, having by then a sizable fleet of A320s.
 
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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:52 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 18):
What was the bin layout on the Boeing 727 ( both -100 and -200 ), Also did you have to make the 727 rear heavy or front heavy?


I never had the chance to work the -100 (we rarely saw them in the US after I started MX in Oct '79)

The -264s had pits 1/2/3 in the forward compartment and 4/5/6 in the rear. On the -264As, pit 4 was replaced by an auxiliary fuel tank, which could hamper baggage capacity, especially on the "Tecolotes" (Red eyes) out of California and Chicago.

The company preferred an optimum CG towards the tail for better fuel burn. This was easy as the aircraft was inherently tail heavy. On occasion, with a very light passenger load, (I recall it was when we had less than 20 pax) any bags went forward and we sat pax in the first 8 to 10 rows.

2 numbers that still stick in my head more than a decade later: Maximum take off weight: 86,409 kgs and Max landing weight: 70,080 kgs. With MTOW being met more times than I can count, especially on those night flights!

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RE: Mexicana And The Boeing 727

Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:58 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I flew Mexicana B727 200 back in 1988.

I did it as well in 1988: MX MEX-GUA-SJO with 722. It operated on a daily basis.
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