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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:55 pm

Boeing starts off 2013 with a top-up order for two 737s for an Unidentified Customer.

In other news, BA is taking two new 777-300ERs via lease from Air Lease Corporation with delivery planned in May and July of 2014.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:19 pm

Nice for BA and ALC, but this seems to be not a new order for Boeing.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 1):
Nice for BA and ALC, but this seems to be not a new order for Boeing.

It is not. ALC ordered the planes in 2011.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:58 pm

5 737 cancelations noted last year are identified as Blue Air
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...n-boeing-737-order.html?cmpid=yhoo
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:45 pm

American Airlines today disclosed in a Securities and Exchange filing that they have reached an agreement to confirm their 42 frame 787-9 MoU, though they have changed the mix of planes to 20 787-8s and 22 787-9s. They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.

American and Airbus also signed a definitive agreement last Friday (11 January) for American’s purchase of 260 aircraft from the Airbus A320 family.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...dreamliners-in-november-2014.html/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...CFGFG%7Ctwitterfeed%7CFlightglobal

[Edited 2013-01-14 16:14:42]
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:10 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
They have also entered into a definitive agreement the 100 frame 737 MAX order, though they appear to be getting a price reduction from whatever they agreed to on the MoU.

Well .. this orders had been noted as firm in Boeing's book since summer 2011.
 
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
Well .. this orders had been noted as firm in Boeing's book since summer 2011.

AA placed a firm order for 100 737-800s on 27 July 2011. This is the order that appears on Boeing's O&D site. The MAX order has yet to be posted.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:46 pm

Another Airbus announcement:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/status/291185578815410176?p=v

"First success in Africa for the #A320neo with Syphax Airlines! They’ve signed an agreement for 3 A320neo & 3 A320ceo aircraft."
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:06 pm

Another quiet week for Boeing with no announced orders. Current tally for the year remains 2 UFO 737-800s.

I don't believe Airbus has announced any 2013 orders as of yet (the 2013 announcements to date were booked in 2012).
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:26 pm

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
So far Airbus sold 10 A350s this month.

No, tat order was signed at the end of Dec. 2012. It is included in Airbus's 2012 order count.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:59 pm

It's not in the 2012 order book.

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/

Flightglobal also reported that this one is a 2013 order.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:33 pm

No changes in Boeing's order books this week neither
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:58 pm

TK has ordered additional five A330-300, although yet to be firmed by Airbus

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...es-orders-five-more-a330-300s-0201
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:43 am

Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...west-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft/

[Edited 2013-02-04 03:43:49]
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...raft/

Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Second A350 order for the year: Lessor Air Lease orders five A350-1000s and 20 A350-900s.

That's a nice order and positive news for the much-maligned (on a.net at least) -1000.   

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.

It certainly reads that way.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:33 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 16):
and positive news for the much-maligned (on a.net at least) -1000.

Plus another five options for the -1000.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
Plus another 14 A321neo if I read the press release correctly.

If I understand it correctly they firmed the 14 Farnborough options.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:48 pm

“The A350 XWB Family is becoming the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the A320neo Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy.

Hmmm. Interesting.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:58 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 13):
TK has ordered additional five A330-300, although yet to be firmed by Airbus

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-0201

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 18):
Hmmm. Interesting

Indeed!

Off course one could easily replace "A350 XWB Family" by B787 Family" and "A320neo Family" by B737 MAX Family, and the same statement would be equally true:

"The B787 Family is [becoming] the industry benchmark for efficiency in the long haul segment, and the B737 MAX Family is ideal for airlines operating short to medium haul missions. These aircraft will help airlines grow their businesses while simultaneously reducing their operating costs and emissions,” said Steven F. Udvar-Házy"


EDIT: Apologies PM, if offended. Just realized your comment was not aimed at B, but rather towards SUH, who's words on the -1000 and redesign/delay saga were of a quite different nature not so long ago . . .

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:26 pm

It's a buyer's market with the B787 grounded indefinitely and the A350 a year away from going into service -- I'd put my money on the A350 assuming they can learn from Boeing's mistakes.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:41 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 20):
EDIT: Apologies PM, if offended. Just realized your comment was not aimed at B, but rather towards SUH

No offence taken!  

And yes, I was more amused by Sir SUH's comments than taking any kind of swipe at Boeing.

And why would I knock Boeing less than twelve hours before boarding a 747-8i with two more 747-8i flights to come next week?         

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:32 pm

AA firms 100 737 Max, 1 777 and 42 787 aircraft.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

[Edited 2013-02-07 10:33:25]
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
AA firms 100 737 Max, 1 777 and 42 787 aircraft.

Good day for GE, as the 787s will have GEnx, the 77W has GE90 and the MAX will have CFM (of which GE is a major partner).
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:34 am

Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:08 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):
Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?

Supposed to be filled through lessors.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:15 am

Quoting moo (Reply 27):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):Interesting, I'm missing the 100 A320ceo aircraft?
Supposed to be filled through lessors.

130 to be precise!
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:26 am

Are you sure? I thought it was 130x A320neo and 100x A320ceo.
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:43 am

3...The largest order was from U.S.-based American Airlines for 130 A321neo jetliner variants, adding another operator to the growing list of A320neo Family customers – and making this the biggest single A321neo acquisition in Airbus’ order book."
Apparently the 130 orders are all for 321 Neos.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:56 am

Spectacular, that's almost half of the total A321neo backlog.
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Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):
Are you sure? I thought it was 130x A320neo and 100x A320ceo.

No, it was 130 of each. Plus a few options. Well, 365 actually.  Wow!http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fp_amr_fleet_agreement.jsp

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American also will acquire a total of 260 Airbus aircraft from the A320 Family and will have 365 options and purchase rights for additional aircraft. American has the flexibility to convert its delivery positions into variants within the A320 Family, including the A319 and A321.

American will take delivery of 130 current-generation Airbus aircraft beginning in 2013. Beginning in 2017 American will begin taking delivery of 130 aircraft from the A320neo (New Engine Option) Family featuring next-generation engine technology. The new aircraft are approximately 15 percent more fuel efficient than today's models. American will be the first network airline in the U.S. to deploy this new-technology aircraft.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:42 am

I don't believe the AA order should be counted for Airbus in 2013. It was was a firm order placed in 2011 that Airbus changed from saying it was firm to a commitment after they entered BK. Airbus did this, not American. They shouldn't be able to take sales from one year and move them to another like they are claiming. Even airbus's own release from July 2011 said they had signed for a firm contract.

Either that, or they lie about their true firm order numbers.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:54 am

Airbus booked the orders in 2011 and then unbooked them that same year. So they did not count towards Airbus' final 2011 order total and there is no lying on Airbus' part.

If AA had cancelled the order in 2011 and then placed it again in 2013, would you accuse Airbus of lying if they unbooked the orders in 2011 and rebooked them in 2013?
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:28 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):

But thats what I'm saying, American didn't "un order" them. Based off what I was reading, and the way it was worded, makes it sound like it was solely an Airbus decision.

However, after doing a little more research, I have found proof that they did indeed not include them in 2011 even though JL want too, so I will retract my statement. However, I don't agree with the whole switching orders to commitments in the first place as everybody knew they weren't going to be dropped. Hell they we're still ordering aircraft in the begin stages of BK.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:07 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 35):
But thats what I'm saying, American didn't "un order" them.

I think Airbus did correctly by removing a firm orders that they knew would be renegotiated upon bankruptcy.
They did so openly because (IMHO) they knew AA would never be liquidated, the order was so fresh and EIS would be 4 year into the future.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:54 am

If I'm getting it correctly Airbus also showed cancelletions of 2 A318(ACJ) and 17 A320ceo?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:01 am

The 17 A320ceo came from Aircraft Purchase Fleet, the Alitalia Leasing vehicle
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 33):

Hi, I was going to point you to the 2011 Final order count where they had a slide specially for tell that they took that order away from the orderbook, but you said you already found something similar...

The reason was that AA filled for bankruptcy and apparently, by law, after that, the "bankruptcy court" will need to re-approve any outstanding order, then from Airbus point of view, the order wasn't firm because they needed that final approval, that came just a few weeks ago.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 38):
The 17 A320ceo (cancellations) came from Aircraft Purchase Fleet, the Alitalia Leasing vehicle.

I wonder if their 12-frame A350-800 order is at risk?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:09 pm

So What's the score, so far ?
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting Pihero (Reply 41):
So What's the score, so far ?

Gross:
Airbus: 140
Boeing: 145

Net:
Airbus: 121
Boeing: 145

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
I wonder if their 12-frame A350-800 order is at risk?

Alitalia is struggling, I can see them canceling the A350 order. However, the airline said 'the worst is over' and they expect to be profitable again this year.

Aircraft Purchase Fleet could also find another airline who wants to lease those A350's. Too much possibilities for now, we'll see.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:51 pm

ALC also firmed five 737s this week

Quote:

Icelandair finalizes order for 16 737 Max.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ir-increases-737-max-order-382267/

The MoU/Commitment/whatever from last year was for 12 aircrafts, so seems like the order has grown?

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 44):
The MoU/Commitment/whatever from last year was for 12 aircrafts, so seems like the order has grown?

Competent People (Hamlet 69 maybe?) said that the 4 extra are converted coptions
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:40 am

The Icelandair mix seems to be for 9 -8MAX and 7 -9MAX
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:16 am

Qantas will place an order for 5 B737-800 aircraft.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...a330-200s-order-five-new-b737-800s
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:28 pm

Air Lease Corporation Announce Order for 10 777-300ERs

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2608
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:07 pm

Cathay Pacific today announced they are ordering three 747-8Fs and canceling their order for eight 777 freighters. They did add five options for the 777 freighter and have sold four 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Air China today announced they are ordering two 747-8 Intercontinentals, one 777-300ER, eight 777 freighters and 20 737-800s. They also will sell back seven 747-400BCFs to Boeing.

Air China Cargo had intended to order three 747-8Fs, but sold those positions to Cathay Pacific Cargo in exchange for all eight of their 777 freighter positions.

Cathay Pacific HK Stock Exchange Announcement - http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews...01303011355.pdf

Air China Announcement [Chinese] - http://stock.sohu.com/20130301/n367554155.shtml

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