|Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 1):|
Five 772s for PS! Rumors in the Ukraine aviation thread suggested 77L.
|Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):|
They must have gotten these 77L's for a good price. Or else why bother with the -LR. It's not like PS needs the range for JFK or YYZ, or any other intl destination they plan on serving that wasn't already accessible by the 763.
|Quoting flylku (Reply 10):|
What is the crossover mission at which the LR is more efficient than the ER and how many of their potential missions exceed this stage length?
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):|
fuel-burn advantages over the 777-200ER and not because of it's longer range.
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):|
The majority of 777-200LR operators likely chose the model for it's payload-over-range and fuel-burn advantages over the 777-200ER and not because of it's longer range.
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):|
I've heard it is closer to 2000nm.
|Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 17):|
If that was the case, there would be more than 58 LR's sold.
The improvement in TSFC, propulsive efficiency, and airframe L/D more than negate the drag penalty of the relatively small increase in structural weight of 777-200LR vs 777-200ER. Those improvements allow the airplane about a 3% better fuel burn/unit payload than 777-200ER at ranges beyond 2,000nm. At the design payload and range of the 777-200ER the 777-200LR need only takeoff at 665,000lbs, only 9,000lbs above the structural MTOW of 777-200ER. The difference in TOW's is significantly less than the difference in OEW of the two aircraft. This difference in TOW weights and the increase in OEW of 777-200LR is all fuel, which is a lower at that payload range point for 777-200LR. This lower fuel requirement is due entirely to the better airframe/engine performance of 777-200LR.
|Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 16):|
I really want to know how much they paid...I bet they got fire sale prices.
|Quoting Slawko (Reply 19):|
AI wasn't holding out for a premium. No one wanted them because of the cost of getting them back in flying condition. The record keeping (or lack there of) especially for such new airplanes was in such a bad condition that you essentially had to go over every part.
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):|
Many, myself included, believed it was the cost to convert the cabin from AI's standard to the new customer's was the main issue. Per an unreferenced link in Wikipedia, it is said the planes will be reconfigured from three classes to two, but perhaps PS will instead operate them in the AI configuration and save the costs.
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):|
Average value for 777-200KRs of AI's age would be between $105 and $113 million. AI appeared to be willing to hold out for a premium, so it seems somewhat unlikely that they would suddenly decide to "fire-sale" them.
|Quoting TC957 (Reply 2):|
Other than New York, wonder what other routes they have in mind for them.
|Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 29):|
The feed-in from offline carriers would certainly make this flight viable. Key markets, of course, are SFO, SEA, YYC, YEG. Plus ORD-KBP would be useful for others connecting to other parts of Eastern Europe.......expecially with decreased capacity of useful service across the Atlantic.