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Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:49 pm

A supervisor in San Francisco has proposed the renaming of SFO to Harvey Milk International. See link here. This is total nonsense. he already has schools and other monuments named after him. Let it go already.

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:50 pm

How about the San Francsico 49ers International Airport, for the 2013 Superbowl Champs!  
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:57 pm

At the risk of being flamed.......who is Harvey Milk and why does he deserve an airport named after him?
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:58 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 1):
How about the San Francsico 49ers International Airport, for the 2013 Superbowl Champs!

I hear chicken counting.

All airport renaming is ridiculous and ego B.S.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

At the risk of being flamed.......who is Harvey Milk and why does he deserve an airport named after him?

Google? Wikipedia?
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:03 pm

I guess I really don't see the issue. If this does pass, It'll probably be San Francisco/Harvey Milk International Airport. The code will be the same old SFO. Planes will still take off and land (except in the crippling fog...) and people will still use the airport.

Do you have this same issue with BWI, LIT, DCA, SNA, and OKC?

[Edited 2013-01-15 13:04:47]
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:08 pm

I prefer.... "Delay Prone Unless it is Sunny International Airport"

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 1):

How about the San Francsico 49ers International Airport, for the 2013 Superbowl Champs!

Name a large international airport after a sport the majority of the world doesn't follow or have interest. GENIUS!

[Edited 2013-01-15 13:11:21]
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting ytib (Reply 6):
Name a large international airport after a sport the majority of the world doesn't follow or have interest. GENIUS!

While I think naming an airport for a sports team is ridiculous, your logic says that ATL should be named for a world figure, instead of two former mayors of the city. After all, the majority of world doesn't know or care who the mayor of Atlanta is.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:23 pm

There are worse people to name an airport after.

Harvey Milk created a lot of positive change and pushed for equality. If they are going to name an airport after someone, he's a good canidate.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:27 pm

HMI airport?

But seriously, not a bad candidate at all! However I think 'San Francisco' is a beautiful name, so I wouldn't be in favor of such a change..
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
At the risk of being flamed.......who is Harvey Milk and why does he deserve an airport named after him?

A guy who wouldn't be known as anyone special if he wasn't a: gay and b: portrayed in a movie.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
he's a good canidate

Don't get me wrong, "equality" is great, but SFO doesn't need to force its stigma.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting kamboi (Thread starter):
A supervisor in San Francisco has proposed the renaming of SFO to Harvey Milk International. See link here. This is total nonsense. he already has schools and other monuments named after him. Let it go already.

I do not see anything wrong with the name change. There is a long history of naming city infrastructure after city political figures. Harvey Milk has an Oscar winning documentary about him and Sean Penn won an Oscar playing him in a feature biopic so he is certainly one of the better known if briefly serving San Francisco politicians. Would you rather have it named after George Moscone, Diane Feinstein, Willie Brown, Gavin Newsome, or Ed Lee? How about Emperor Norton?

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:30 pm

Sweet! From what I understand that guy was a true pioneer in the gay movement...........
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:34 pm

Interesting viewpoints on how a pioneer in San Francisco history doesnt deserve the honorary name on the city's airport just because he is gay. Seems like a close minded attitude.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

Per Wikipedia, he was the first openly homosexual person to be elected to a public office in the U.S.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:36 pm

With Bay Area politics being the way that they are, I'd be surprised if this DIDN'T happen. Anyone who supports this will be praised lavishly for their progressiveness; anyone who opposes gets labeled as a bigot. If this does end up happening, it will be because it is politically correct. Don't get me wrong; I respect Harvey Milk and his contributions towards equality. But seriously... what's wrong with the existing name?
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

Who are they forcing their stigma on ? Themselves and their airport ? SFO wants to name their airport after a gay dude - this is as shocking as WN ordering more 737s. No one is forcing anything on you - you can keep calling it SFO.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:39 pm

They can always name a terminal or something after this man. He has many things named after him already so let's leave SFO as SFO.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
A guy who wouldn't be known as anyone special if he wasn't a: gay and b: portrayed in a movie.

I would not object to this name and would more than likely embrace the names of more people who forwarded the human rights movement.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:40 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
A guy who wouldn't be known as anyone special if he wasn't a: gay and b: portrayed in a movie.

A man who was and is still known as being one of the pioneers of gay rights in the United States. That's pretty special.

Again, I really don't see the issue. We have John Wayne Airport, Will Rogers World Airport, and Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport, to name a few. Tons of airports have names. This is a complete non-issue.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:40 pm

Personally, I think Dedicating an airport to somebody is fine, but I don't get why an airport needs to be named after somebody? I can only see if there are more than one airport serving an area, such as JFK and LGA, or IAH and HOU. Other than that, I really don't see the need. Now eveybody will say "we're flying into Harvey Milk", instead of "San Fransisco". It'll get too confusing in the beginning.

Also, it's sad to say, but how many anti-gay activists are going to fight this?
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:45 pm

How about just naming the terminal after him, rather than the whole airport? In my city, we have Austin Bergstrom International Airport, but your plane departs from the Barbara Jordan Terminal (named after a US Congresswoman from Austin.)

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:47 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 21):
I think Dedicating an airport to somebody is fine, but I don't get why an airport needs to be named after somebody?

I knew Harvey, and even I wouldn't want this renaming to go through. Name a terminal after him if it's that important to some people, not the entire airport. SFO is San Francisco's airport—it should remain San Francisco International as it is.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:47 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 17):
Who are they forcing their stigma on ? Themselves and their airport ? SFO wants to name their airport after a gay dude - this is as shocking as WN ordering more 737s. No one is forcing anything on you - you can keep calling it SFO.

Meh, I guess I don't have a good reason to oppose it. It just seems cliche. Hey look, SFO is flaunting being gay again. It's like EWR naming itself "Vinny Boom Batts International."

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 21):
Also, it's sad to say, but how many anti-gay activists are going to fight this?

I'd hope zero. The issue is not that he was gay, the issue (imo) is that he had nothing to do with aviation and seems like he was only chosen because the city wants to represent itself a certain way. Is there anything wrong with that? No, not really, but it would annoy me if I lived there.

Are the locals going to start saying "I'm catching a flight from Milk" in the same way that new englanders say Logan?

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 16):
If this does end up happening, it will be because it is politically correct

Nailed it. That's why it's weird, because it feels forced.

[Edited 2013-01-15 13:49:18]
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 18):
They can always name a terminal or something after this man. He has many things named after him already so let's leave SFO as SFO
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 21):
Now eveybody will say "we're flying into Harvey Milk", instead of "San Fransisco".

I don't think you understand the way "naming an airport" works. Nothing changes about the the airport code, or the way the flight is announced. It just means that the airport's name will be SFO - "San Francisco - Harvey Milk - International Airport. Just like SJC - "Mineta San José International Airport" or BWI - "Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport"
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 pm

I totally agree that Harvey Milk International Airport is completely unnecessary.
We'd all much rather see Dianne Feinstein International.

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 pm

I prefer naming airports for people who had something to do with aviation, though I suppose naming them for presidents is okay.

Why not do something like LAX, where they have TBIT? HMIT?
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
A guy who wouldn't be known as anyone special if he wasn't a: gay and b: portrayed in a movie.

Us gays see him in a different light, when you're in a minority like that, he was a proper stand up guy in a more ignorant age. It would make very little operational impact and still make a decent statement of values to the world.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:52 pm

I do understand how naming an airport works and my original point stands. By that I mean San Francisco International Airport.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:54 pm

Here's a proper link to the news item about this, the one in the OP doesn't seem to work:

http://www.sfgate.com/default/articl...ll-naming-SFO-for-Milk-4194129.php
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Us gays see him in a different light, when you're in a minority like that, he was a proper stand up guy in a more ignorant age. It would make very little operational impact and still make a decent statement of values to the world.

Fair enough, I guess. I guess I just don't see it "correctly?" I've never understood either side, and I mean, honestly, why say "us gays?" Aren't gay people just people? How you live your life is not only not my concern, but it's nobody else's either, so I don't really understand why it has to be constantly thrown at me. Another conversation for another forum, I guess, it just seems cliche/tacky to me. I've already made that point, though.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:13 pm

Mods: Prepare a thread lock! We've wandered way off topic.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 12):
Would you rather have it named after George Moscone

While I certainly understand why Harvey Milk has received so much posthumous attention, it has always irked me that often George Moscone's place in history is overshadowed by that of Mr. Milk. George Moscone was mayor of San Francisco and was assassinated alongside Harvey Milk by the deranged Dan White. Moscone has been memorialized in the eponymous civic center named in his honor, but alas history may ultimately render him a footnote in the events of November 27, 1978 when he and Harvey Milk were gunned down. Milk's contributions to San Francisco were perhaps in some way more "historic" than those of Mayor Moscone, but history has a way of giving an outsized role to some individuals while relegating others to marginal status.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 13):

None of them. Lerave as is. I like SFO.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 26):
Dianne Feinstein International

I see your Dianne Feinstein and raise you a Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence!

It's also comforting to know that my views on airport renaming haven't changed one iota in 8 years:

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 32):

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 28):
Us gays see him in a different light, when you're in a minority like that, he was a proper stand up guy in a more ignorant age. It would make very little operational impact and still make a decent statement of values to the world.

Fair enough, I guess. I guess I just don't see it "correctly?" I've never understood either side, and I mean, honestly, why say "us gays?" Aren't gay people just people? How you live your life is not only not my concern, but it's nobody else's either, so I don't really understand why it has to be constantly thrown at me. Another conversation for another forum, I guess, it just seems cliche/tacky to me. I've already made that point, though.

I see this as no different that naming an airport after Martin Luther King, Jr. (as far as I know, there is a terminal at ATL named after him, but no airport). I wouldn't see how naming the airport after Milk would be throwing anything in anyone's face.

In an idea world, people would just be people as you say. Unfortunately, this is not so. With that said, the opinion of many members in any group can be then lead to people of the same group thinking thinking all people in that group believe the way they do. In this case, whether gays know about it, they owe some of the freedoms now they have to Milk. The same as not every African American is aware of Rosa Parks, African Americans all across the country owe a lot to her (and the many others that participated in the Bus Boycotts).

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "thrown at me" but I have a feeling that gays can feel the same way sometimes about how straights act in public. I can image someone saying "Why are all these people throwing their straight lifestyle in my face. I don't want to see guys and girls kissing, holding hands, etc."

I believe that America is not yet over its stereotypes of gays (especially when it comes to the flamboyant male stereotype) and if you follow popular media there is a lot of "throwing it at you" whereas in reality, not all gay people fit the popular mold.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:28 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 38):
And he was murdered because of that.

Dan White murdered Moscone and Milk because of political differences and perceived betrayal. Most of us alive at the time understand that. Harvey hasn't become a martyr, which should say it all.

More on the subject: http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-01-30/news/white-in-milk/1/
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:32 pm

I wonder how long it will be before the airport systems start selling the naming rights to airport names just like sport stadiums do?
I definitely didn't like it when they started calling Houston Intecontinental Airport George Bush International Airport. OK, he was a flier in WWII so I guess he does have a link to aviation, Just like Butch O'Hare did in Chicago.

I think they should rename Hobby Airport the "Sheila Jackson Lee" airport.         
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
Dan White murdered Moscone and Milk because of political differences and perceived betrayal. Most of us alive at the time understand that.

I was alive at the time, and a freshman at Cal. And that's not how I understood it. And I'm not gay. The link you provided just gives the vision of White's spin master...
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:35 pm

This is about as dumb as renaming LIT to Billary Airport
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 35):
While I certainly understand why Harvey Milk has received so much posthumous attention, it has always irked me that often George Moscone's place in history is overshadowed by that of Mr. Milk. George Moscone was mayor of San Francisco and was assassinated alongside Harvey Milk by the deranged Dan White. Moscone has been memorialized in the eponymous civic center named in his honor, but alas history may ultimately render him a footnote in the events of November 27, 1978 when he and Harvey Milk were gunned down. Milk's contributions to San Francisco were perhaps in some way more "historic" than those of Mayor Moscone, but history has a way of giving an outsized role to some individuals while relegating others to marginal status.

I believe this is in some part related to Moscone also having some more questionable dealings - specifically, his association with the Peoples Temple and Jim Jones. The Temple gave Moscone a significant push, and Jones was in turn appointed as Chairman of the San Francisco Housing Commission. After controversy reached the Temple and Jones relocated to Guyana, it was Moscone who declined to investigate Jones or the Temple. For good or bad, those circumstances do put some tarnish on Moscone's name.

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 41):
I think they should rename Hobby Airport the "Sheila Jackson Lee" airport.

No, they should name it after GW Bush.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 41):
I think they should rename Hobby Airport the "Sheila Jackson Lee" airport.

Hobby is already named after Hobby. SFO has no "namesake."

Otherwise, it's a great idea.  
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:50 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 42):
The link you provided just gives the vision of White's spin master

History is history. Despite other differences, Moscone and Milk were targeted that day mainly over Moscone's refusal to re-appoint White to the Board of Supervisors after White's second thoughts over his resignation. Harvey was supportive of Moscone's decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscone–Milk_assassinations

Now let's get back to the issue of renaming SFO after Harvey, rather than rewriting history.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:08 pm

I personally like the Emperor Norton suggestion from AADC10. It would puzzle most people and it's such a bizzare idea that it somehow totally fits San Francisco.

Really, I don't care what the name the place. I think most people will just keep calling it SFO.
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:14 pm

Clint Eastwood was born in San Francisco. He would beat the crap out of Harvey Milk.

Vote here for Clint Eastwood International Airport!
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting TWAL1011 (Reply 33):

Your right , lets go back to the 1940s, the good ole times. Grow up man.
 
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:39 pm

Quoting TWAL1011 (Reply 33):
Gay rights? Whatever . Only matters to 2% of people.

It seems to matter to more people nowadays, once people come out, the majority come to realise there are more of us than some people thought. As a Londoner I take gay rights for granted, my friends accept me for who I am and they are comfortable with who I am. If I was born in some countries, I would be under a death sentence and be a hypocrite and making a mockery of a womans trust and love.

Key point, gay rights matter to all people, not just to gay people as gay kids come from straight parents. Sometimes posters give away more of themselves and their opinions than they intended.

btw kudos for allowing the thread drift. It does matter and it's not far off topic. The city has much to be proud of IMHO

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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:51 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 43):
This is about as dumb as renaming LIT to Billary Airport

What's wrong with that?? First President from Arkansas, (and one of the best presidents, although I do say so myself). Wife was very successful Senator, and great Secretary of State. President Clinton has done so much even after his presidency it's amazing. Even my good old Republican friends down here in Arkansas agree that he was better than who took over after him......
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RE: Push To Rename SFO

Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:58 pm

I'd say this is a sensible choice to expand the San Francisco 'brand'. Obviously there's always some reaction to these sorts of things, but there appears to be less anguish on this board than a recent 'disussion' involving certain Chicago airports and certain sitting Presidents.