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Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Effective April 22nd 3x daily between LAX and Las Vegas adding to existing Vegas service from SFO and JFK.

Schedule:
VX474 LAX-LAS 1130-1235 A319
VX486 LAX-LAS 1515-1620 A319
VX490 LAX-LAS 1900-2005 A319

VX469 LAS-LAX 1320-1430 A319
VX475 LAS-LAX 1705-1815 A319
VX492 LAS-LAX 2050-2200 A319

Las Vegas is the largest market that Virgin America does not currently serve from LAX in terms of traveler demand, and Los Angeles is the largest local market for Las Vegas travelers.


Press release:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ngeles-to-las-vegas-187146971.html

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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:54 pm

Geez.... thats not an over served market lol. WN, NK, UA, AA, DL- am I missing anone else that flys that route? I would think they could use their airplanes for some other markets. Good luck to them.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:58 pm

Out of curiosity, how many other airlines are on this route? While I do believe this is a 'must have' route out of LAX, I do not think the margins will be good. A quick check on Orbitz for May fares has the lowest fare on Spirit ($88) with DL, UA, AA, and US (on UA?) with direct flights (plus WN, of course). It will be interesting to see how VX does with this route.

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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:01 pm

and 3 flights a day, all in the afternoon. Definitely won't be getting any of the daily commuters.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Could these be planes that would otherwise be sitting at LAX or LAS all day or are these new airplanes devoting all their time to the route? If the latter it seems like a horrible waste of aircraft...
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Might be a well served market, but its also a huge one, and one that has some high yields.

Market size is about 6,500 daily passengers each way, and only rivals the Bay Area as the biggest shorthaul market from the LA basin.

Fare wise for instance SWA, the market leader manages a whopping $0.52 average yield on the segment.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:07 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
and 3 flights a day, all in the afternoon. Definitely won't be getting any of the daily commuters.

Yeah, the schedule is pretty jacked. I'm guessing we'll see them add in the mornings sooner rather than later. Perhaps it's an aircraft utilization thing. Use 'em while they'd otherwise sit idle.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:08 pm

Interesting schedule, none of the flights in either direction leave before 11:30am, so that eliminates some of the business traffic they may of otherwise captured. It's a huge market though.

This is a couple months old so it may vary slightly from current schedules, but here is a break down of LAS-LAX service:

WN 12x daily
DL 8x daily (mix of mainline/connection)
AA 5x daily (all mainline)
UA 5x daily (mix)
NK 2x daily

WN operates a total of 36 daily LAS-LAX/BUR/Top
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 7):
DL 8x daily (mix of mainline/connection)

DL runs it 9x daily (4x A319; 5x CR9) except on Saturdays (when it's 8x)
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:13 pm

What is it with VX and their inability to schedule decent transfers for VS passengers? The two daily VS flights arrive at 3 pm or 7 pm, the first gives a long wait, the second means overnight if you want to use VX as many do. The same is true at SFO where even to VX destinations you end up flying with someone else due to poor timings [scratches head!].
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:16 pm

NK is pulling LASLAX down, no one is going to pay a premium for VX, and the first flight is at 1320. THIS is their next best add?
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 9):
What is it with VX and their inability to schedule decent transfers for VS passengers? The two daily VS flights arrive at 3 pm or 7 pm, the first gives a long wait, the second means overnight if you want to use VX as many do.

Considering VS flies to LAS themselves, I highly doubt VS transfer pax are a big concern for VX...
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:17 pm

WN

LAX-LAS 12x
BUR-LAS 11x
SNA-LAS 7x
ONT-LAS 6x

B6 also has 5x LGB-LAS
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:30 pm

Fares starting at $39 one way.

Wish the best to VX on this very competitive route.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:31 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 11):

Considering VS flies to LAS themselves, I highly doubt VS transfer pax are a big concern for VX...

VX offers VS/VA nothing, hence the major joint ventures with DL.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:36 pm

You guys are forgetting that good portion of the VX demographic is probably not looking for an 8am Vegas flight.

The tech savy yuppie, or cosmo sipping club goer or the Hollywood fashion wanna be probably would find the VX schedule just right.

As Orbitz found out the Apple crowd would pay more for their travel needs, Virgin brand definitely attracts its own lifestyle and demographics click.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:38 pm

Why are Spirit reducing? Were they not like 5 Daily or something a year ago?
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
You guys are forgetting that good portion of the VX demographic is probably not looking for an 8am Vegas flight.

The tech savy yuppie, or cosmo sipping club goer or the Hollywood fashion wanna be probably would find the VX schedule just right.

As Orbitz found out the Apple crowd would pay more for their travel needs, Virgin brand definitely attracts its own lifestyle and demographics click.

Yes, because that demographic is doing a good job of helping VX pull in the profits.      
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 16):
Why are Spirit reducing? Were they not like 5 Daily or something a year ago?

Probably redeploy the planes out of DFW.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 18):

Probably redeploy the planes out of DFW.

And/or the market is rough, even at their low costs.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
The tech savy yuppie, or cosmo sipping club goer or the Hollywood fashion wanna be probably would find the VX schedule just right.

You gotta be kidding...

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 17):

Yes, because that demographic is doing a good job of helping VX pull in the profits.

I guess image conscious $30,000 millionaires is not the best demographic to chase after
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:03 pm

These times are quite attractive for Virgin Australia connections.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:15 pm

Dont forget SQ who does not codeshare with UA and lost their connect with US when they ceased flying the market.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3):
and 3 flights a day, all in the afternoon. Definitely won't be getting any of the daily commuters.

To me, the timings make sense, as the first flight gets you there early enough to be able to typically beat the lines to check-in at your hotel. The second flight gets you in late enough in the afternoon to be able to check-in and have a nice evening out and not have to rush. The last flight is clearly aimed towards those folks who are heading out there after work.

VX474 LAX-LAS 1130-1235 A319
VX486 LAX-LAS 1515-1620 A319
VX490 LAX-LAS 1900-2005 A319


Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
The tech savy yuppie, or cosmo sipping club goer or the Hollywood fashion wanna be probably would find the VX schedule just right.

Very true indeed.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:22 pm

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 20):
These times are quite attractive for Virgin Australia connections.

VA has a JV with DL--I wonder if the JV contract even allows traffic to flow onto VX.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:45 pm

This schedule looks like it can be done with a single aircraft rotation. Maybe they have some slack in their fleet to run this schedule. I sure hope the bean counters and the route planning guys are right in this move, to me it does not look like a money making route. As for them getting any connection traffic from VS and VA I'm sure DL would have something to say about that. They have a JV with VA and I'm sure by the end of the year the VS JV will be fully implemented. I'm sure VX is purely on this route for the local crowd and to serve their FF members in the LA area.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:45 pm

I'm not joking about the demographic.

VX has cultivated itself a quite unique passenger demographic unlike I have ever seen in the US market place.
The average VX passengers tech, travel, fitness, and leisure interest are significantly deeper than the typical American traveler.

Add in its unique marketing such as night club tie-ins, signature cocktails, its doing something special for a non-typical set of folks.

LAX-LAS was almost a "must-have" route for VX considering the size of the local market, and demand by its client base.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
VA has a JV with DL--I wonder if the JV contract even allows traffic to flow onto VX.

Every day VA-VX transfer passengers at LAX.

You can actually book VX segments on VA website as well. Also the VA Velocity FF program is tied to VX Elevate.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25):
I'm not joking about the demographic.

VX has cultivated itself a quite unique passenger demographic unlike I have ever seen in the US market place.
The average VX passengers tech, travel, fitness, and leisure interest are significantly deeper than the typical American traveler.

So what? Because/despite that demographic, close to $1B has flown out the door.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25):
VX has cultivated itself a quite unique passenger demographic unlike I have ever seen in the US market place. The average VX passengers tech, travel, fitness, and leisure interest are significantly deeper than the typical American traveler.Add in its unique marketing such as night club tie-ins, signature cocktails, its doing something special for a non-typical set of folks. LAX-LAS was almost a "must-have" route for VX considering the size of the local market, and demand by its client base.

Apparently their demographic is too small or not interested in paying extra for VX. Walmart sells more clothing than Nordstrom is akin to Spirit being highly profitable and VX not.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):
So what? Because/despite that demographic, close to $1B has flown out the door.

I was answering your response to my comment that the VX demographic might find the schedule just fine.

Nothing about profits, or other business matters.

Personally I feel these flights were much needed, and having the route will allow the VX loyalist to stay inhouse while helping introduce VX and its product to even more folks on such a major route.

With this add, VX is doing a nice job of checking off the the top O&D markets from both SFO and LAX.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):

Personally I feel these flights were much needed, and having the route will allow the VX loyalist to stay inhouse while helping introduce VX and its product to even more folks on such a major route.

Definitely. It's a route that, while I understood why we never served it prior to now, needed to be added. LAS is already one of our stronger stations, and as you and several others mentioned, these flight times will be good for inbound connects from international codeshare partners such as SQ and VA, plus its important that we have a presence on the route for locals and FFs on both ends.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 11):
Considering VS flies to LAS themselves, I highly doubt VS transfer pax are a big concern for VX...

Unless some of us West-Londoners would prefer to change planes at LAX instead of making the trip to LGW.    I doubt that anyone's THAT crazy, and in any case, not enough to justify 3 flights per day.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 24):
This schedule looks like it can be done with a single aircraft rotation. Maybe they have some slack in their fleet to run this schedule.


Definitely; this schedule is done with 1 a/c, leaving LAX at 11:30 in the morning and returning there at 10pm. So Virgin is committing 1 plane for almost 12 hours to run back and forth on one short and very competitive route. (Nothing unusual about that last condition!)

So VX now actually has another station with more than 2 routes (joining LA,SF and JFK in that very limited category; I guess that would probably qualify Vegas as a focus city -- by Virgin's standards anyway!)

It will be interesting to see how VX does on THIS route and if/how it might change the dynamics of the market. I agree with those who find the timing of the schedule to be less than optimal so we'll see if there are changes made in the future.

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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:43 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Fares starting at $39 one way.

Yes, but that's probably for the 11:30 a.m. departure on a Tuesday morning.

To fly to LAS for a weekend (departing Thursday night or Friday morning, returning Sunday late afternoon/evening) from just about anywhere, including LAX, can actually be ridiculously expensive. That's why so many Angelenos wind up making the 4-5 hour drive rather than fly if they're doing a weekend getaway.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad route for VX, just saying the $39 one-way fare offering is a little misleading.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
I was answering your response to my comment that the VX demographic might find the schedule just fine.

True.

And they'll enjoy it for maybe 9 months, until WN gleefully stomps them into the ground on this route.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:12 pm

They could easily add one additional r/t in the morning with an 8:00am departure from LAX... if the aircraft is available.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:28 pm

I first heard about this on Facebook - clearly, many people are VERY happy about this! You can't appeal to Angelenos without serving LAS (no, connecting through delay-prone SFO doesn't count). Now they serve all of their stations from the LAX hub, with the obvious exceptions of nearby PSP and SAN (no O&D) and restricted access markets of DCA, SJD, and PVR for which there are no slots/authorities available.

I'd say they now have most LAX folks pretty happy. They can't fly to Hawaii until they have ETOPS, which can't happen until the A32Xneos arrive, and really the only major markets missing at this point are Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix, and Denver. If they can pull off LAX-LAS, I would presume LAX-PHX and even LAX-DEN wouldn't be a great stretch of the imagination...
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 11):
Considering VS flies to LAS themselves, I highly doubt VS transfer pax are a big concern for VX...

While that is true, there are a lot of VS passengers who fly through LAX or SFO because of plane configurations (more UC seats) or because they are on multi stop tours.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:16 pm

What a stupid, stupid move. Is this really the best way that VX can think of to use their precious assets? Putting them in the overly saturated, lowest yield route that you can think of? Why wouldn't they try something more compelling like LAX-PIT or CVG or IND where there is less competition and more of an opportunity to bring in some decent revenue? Weird.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 37):
lowest yield route that you can think of?

LA-LAS has higher yields then LA-Bay Area.

Lets look at SWA that operates on both.

City / Average one-way fare / Yield
LAS - $124 - $0.52
SF - $126 - $0.34

The airline headline fares might be $39, $59, or $79 to Vegas, but tons of people travel on $250+ last minute fares.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:48 pm

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 37):
Is this really the best way that VX can think of to use their precious assets?

I don't know if this is wise or not and I don't really know their scheduling... but whenever I fly into SFO or LAX, I feel like I always see one or two aircraft parked on a remote hardstand. I guess with their recent reduction in flying, they have spares that might as well be flying.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:53 pm

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 37):
What a stupid, stupid move. Is this really the best way that VX can think of to use their precious assets? Putting them in the overly saturated, lowest yield route that you can think of?

But apparently, it is not that low yielding:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Fare wise for instance SWA, the market leader manages a whopping $0.52 average yield on the segment.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 35):
the only major markets missing at this point are Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix, and Denver. If they can pull off LAX-LAS, I would presume LAX-PHX and even LAX-DEN wouldn't be a great stretch of the imagination...

WIth several thousands (my roundabout averages from FAA stats) of pax flying between the SoCal area and Denver (4500 pax daily on F9, UA, WN and AA), Phoenix (4700 daily pax on US, DL, AA, WN) being especially high, and then Houston (2400 daily pax on UA, AA from IAH and WN from HOU) and Atlanta (2700 pax on DL and WN), there seems to be some room for VX to poach off pax from the already established carriers on these routes.

And I think that if any carrier can break into these super have pax markets..... VX could be the one to do it......

 
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 8):
DL runs it 9x daily (4x A319; 5x CR9) except on Saturdays (when it's 8x)

Wow. DL has really become quite a player in this market, and quite quickly. I think they only restarted this route after the merger, and then it was just NW's daily flight to connect to NRT. Even quite recently, it was all CR9 except for one of the night-time flights. I guess DL has found a way to make the route work well.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 32):
To fly to LAS for a weekend (departing Thursday night or Friday morning, returning Sunday late afternoon/evening) from just about anywhere, including LAX, can actually be ridiculously expensive. That's why so many Angelenos wind up making the 4-5 hour drive rather than fly if they're doing a weekend getaway.

  LAS is a huge get away for the Los Angeles area on weekends. Interstate 15 is bumper to bumper on Friday nights inbound and Sunday night outbound.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 38):
City / Average one-way fare / Yield
LAS - $124 - $0.52
SF - $126 - $0.34

That's impressive. I suspsect WN may have a few other "gold mine" routes out of LAS (such as RNO and PHX).

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 42):
Wow. DL has really become quite a player in this market, and quite quickly. I think they only restarted this route after the merger, and then it was just NW's daily flight to connect to NRT. Even quite recently, it was all CR9 except for one of the night-time flights. I guess DL has found a way to make the route work well.

With the type of yields WN is getting and the amount of volume there is on the market I can see why they increased it. I believe right before the merger NW flew it 1x daily with a 319. There might of been a DC9 on the route in the earlier years as well. With DL at 9x daily I'm guessing they are picking up decent yields, or they wouldn't be running CR7's on the route to allow additional flight options.

AA is doing very well on the route too. A check of schedules next month shows 5x 738 on weekdays. Very recently it was 3x MD80, and before that I believe there might of even been some ERJ's on the route if my memory is correct.

UA has actually dropped some capacity in recent years. 1x 737, 1x 320, 1x 752, and 2x CR7 is the schedule mid-next month. Still a nice presence in the market.

WN has less frequency on LAX-LAS compared to previous years. To be fair the -800's are on the route with more seats of course, and SNA is at an all time high for frequency and seats from LAS.

HP/US had a presence before the LAS hub pulled down. They are completely out of the market now for non-stops.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:52 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 43):
LAS is a huge get away for the Los Angeles area on weekends. Interstate 15 is bumper to bumper on Friday nights inbound and Sunday night outbound.

I've got several friends that live in the LA area that go to Vegas on a regular basis and most of them opt to drive while only one of them tends to fly there. They do go on the weekends but either drive out Thursday night or Friday morning and head back early on Sunday or wait until Monday morning.



Quoting iowaman (Reply 43):
I suspsect WN may have a few other "gold mine" routes out of LAS (such as RNO and PHX).

LAS-RNO is definitely one since US dropped the route when they gutted their LAS operations. PHX-LAS I was surprised that they have as many flights a day on the route as they do.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 37):
What a stupid, stupid move. Is this really the best way that VX can think of to use their precious assets? Putting them in the overly saturated, lowest yield route that you can think of?

Spending their "precious assets" opening a new station is smarter than spreading their current costs out over existing stations by connecting the dots using an otherwise idle aircraft on a (contrary to your opinion) decent-yielding route? I think not. This was a natural add, and IMO will only see more frequency in time to plug the gaps already pointed out. Perhaps we'll see some out-of-the-VX-box thinking if it does particularly well and get a SAN-LAS add.
 
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:49 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 43):
HP/US had a presence before the LAS hub pulled down. They are completely out of the market now for non-stops.

A rather large presence. Before their first big schedule cut in early 2008, they were still running about 8 to 10 flights a day. When LAS was finally pulled down to a spoke at the end of 2011 they had 3.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:36 pm

As an industry observer, it seems to me that every new route VX adds is ripe with competition (usually from more than one other airline) and has timetable/scheduling challenges.

Most people in the US know that the LA-LAS route is one of the busiest in the West and, as noted, a half dozen other airlines fly to Las Vegas from LAX, BUR and LGB. Many of them have better schedules than what VX is offering. It is also possible to drive the route in 6 hours (sometimes more, sometimes less) so there is probably very little room for a new entrant on such a concentrated market. VX thrives on being a first class airline, and by all accounts their onboard product and service beats all other airlines hands down, but if they are having trouble getting passengers to pay a premium for their flights on longer transcon routes, how do they expect it to work on such a short route? NK practically has their passengers sitting on eight-abreast milk crates on their flights but even I can concede, for a flight that is typically less than one hour, who cares?

Obviously I am aware NK's seating is not eight-abreast on their Airbuses and their seats are probably just fine. It's sarcasm, but my point still stands. I don't think there will be too many takers paying a premium for a one hour flight and I have serious doubts VX can make a profit on the route competing on price.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 43):
LAS is a huge get away for the Los Angeles area on weekends. Interstate 15 is bumper to bumper on Friday nights inbound and Sunday night outbound.

Bumper to bumper in segments. The rest of the trip is just "heavy" traffic. On Friday nights, the truck traffic in the right lane is a big impediment. I live about 8 mi north of ONT and the drive is only about 30-45 min longer due to traffic, unless there is an accident that stops traffic for a significant period.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 44):
PHX-LAS I was surprised that they have as many flights a day on the route as they do.

There isn't an interstate highway from Phoenix to Vegas. You can get to Kingman or Needles on I-17 I-40 but from there is is 100 miles or so. I have driven it on US93/95 which is 2 lane for much of the way.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 43):
WN has less frequency on LAX-LAS compared to previous years.

Out of all the carriers, WN is also connecting a bunch of pax in LAS to go to and from SAN and secondary airports in Southern California.
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RE: Virgin America Launches LAX-LAS Service

Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:05 pm

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 48):
There isn't an interstate highway from Phoenix to Vegas. You can get to Kingman or Needles on I-17 I-40 but from there is is 100 miles or so. I have driven it on US93/95 which is 2 lane for much of the way.

I'm quite aware of that fact. I just thought that US was still the dominant carrier on the route (even after the gutting of their LAS operations) and was surprised that they had a lot less flights than WN does these days.