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JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:56 pm

JetBlue will begin Ft. Lauderdale-San Jose service on 27 June.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetblu...nds-costa-rica-fort-160000717.html

More significantly, though, this shows yet another sign that JetBlue is shifting it's Florida focus back to growing at FLL, especially internationally, rather than its previous attempts with MCO, where I believe things have remained stagnant while JetBlue has entered the likes of FLLKIN, FLLBOG, FLLMDE and, now, FLLSJO.

With MDE and SJO, JetBlue will serve more destinations from FLL than MCO.

[Edited 2013-01-16 12:00:24]
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:02 pm

Excellent.

JetBlue is very well received in Miami. They are seen as a better airline than Spirit and a lot of people are actually willing to pay extra for JetBlue. I'm glad to see them expand here. How many daily departures do they have now?
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:10 pm

Their terminal at FLL is terrible, long term if they have big plans for FLL they need to address the facilities.
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:16 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 1):
How many daily departures do they have now?

January:
FLL
Max: 63
Min: 52
Avg: 56

MCO
Max: 68
Min: 51
Avg: 57.1

February:
FLL
Max: 60
Min: 51
Avg: 57.3

MCO
Max: 62
Min: 51
Avg: 57.3

March:
FLL
Max: 60
Min: 59
Avg: 59.7

MCO
Max: 60
Min: 59
Avg: 59.6
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Their terminal at FLL is terrible, long term if they have big plans for FLL they need to address the facilities.

Construction is beginning shortly. I believe you will see NK grow more in FLL once the facilities are renovated. Shortly, all the airlines in FLL will be having to lose gates periodically for construction.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:19 pm

Doesn't connect from BOS too well going South  
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting roswell41 (Reply 4):
Construction is beginning shortly.

What exactly is being done, the FLL site is vague.
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:06 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
What exactly is being done, the FLL site is vague.

Right now FLL is expanding runway 9R/27L. After that, there is a terminal reconstruction program starting, I believe, with Terminal 4 (intl terminal).
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:25 am

I don't know what people are talking about. The Broward County commission has not approved construction of a new terminal. Although it appears they have money budgeted for this project in the capital improvement program, I haven't seen or heard of any plans, etc; unless of course these flew under the radar because of the runway controversy. I still think it would have been better to build the runway parallel to the north runway and relocated those tenants to the South...

Once they finish the monstrosity of the southern runway well know how bad it messes up the environment.

I wouldn't expand the international terminal at FLL especially since it's main tenant will refuse to pay higher fees required to undertake the construction and will deride the county if they go ahead and raise fees by calling it "the county's cut".

[Edited 2013-01-16 18:29:21]
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:51 am

Spirit Airlines is steadily operating the SJO-FLL sector since 2007 and their frequencies are 11x weekly at this time. It's with no doubt its stellar Central American route.
B6 is doing right in Costa Rica offering the MCO-SJO segment on a daily basis, being the equipment upgraded in the past from E90 to the current 320. On the other hand, B6 JFK-LIR 7x weekly is not dropping their services in June as pointing out several weeks ago in the forum as the GDS sources didn't display further flights, in those days. The airline is just reducing their frequencies to 5x weekly during the slow season.
AA FLL-SJO 7x weekly flew the same route when NK FLL-SJO came into service. However, the airline opted to add one more daily flight to Miami and dropped the San Jose-Ft. Lauderdale service definitely.
I will pay attention later in the fares offered by B6 FLL-SJO and NK FLL-SJO.

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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:55 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Their terminal at FLL is terrible, long term if they have big plans for FLL they need to address the facilities.

The concourse reminds me of a nicer, newer version of the CTB at LGA. For Florida, it's crappy.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
The concourse reminds me of a nicer, newer version of the CTB at LGA. For Florida, it's crappy.


It really is horrible. Even the newer Terminal 1 where B6 used to be is modern but very small with very few amenities. FLL is really showing its age and is only getting busier. I flew out of Terminal 3 but the AA/US side and it is a dump honestly.

Good news for B6 and FLL though. I hope to see B6 continue to expand. I don't fly them often but when I do I enjoy it.
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:49 am

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 1):

In the end I bet B6 isn't more expensive than NK. I wish B6 eould start ATL-FLL or MCO
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
The concourse reminds me of a nicer, newer version of the CTB at LGA. For Florida, it's crappy.

The food selections were non existant in the concourses, and crowded.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
For Florida, it's crappy

I agree, compared to facilities at TPA, MCO and RSW. I was even impressed by JAX, nice little modern airport.
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:17 pm

IF Jetblue wants to the king of South Florida LCC airlines and scale its operations to Latin America why not buy Spirit ? Spirit has a new modern fleet of A320 planes.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
IF Jetblue wants to the king of South Florida LCC airlines and scale its operations to Latin America why not buy Spirit ? Spirit has a new modern fleet of A320 planes.

Because they are a garbage product (my opinion) that is the complete opposite of the JetBlue product (fact).

Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL. As they pull out, B6 adds.

Everyone on this site thinks mergers are easy breezy. They aren't

1. They cost money
2. They involve culture clash
3. They involve work group clash
4. They involve branding clash

If you are an airline, like JetBlue, that values your "brand" the last thing you want to do is dilute it in anyway. Spirit is like adding club soda to a perfect cocktail...no point
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:36 pm

Wow! Another new international route out of FLL! Given that they have been successful with MCO-SJO, this will be a piece of cake!

Yes, it is clear B6 has shifted its Florida-Latin America growth strategy from MCO to FLL. I wonder if we'll see more "connecting the dots" like this, or more new station additions like MDE. If the former, I suspect stuff like STI, MBJ, and PUJ will be linked to FLL sooner rather than later. If the latter, I wonder if we could see additional Central American stations like GUA, SAL, and PTY, or some new Caribbean markets like PAP, POS, CUR and ANU. South Florida offers excellent O&D to Latin America that Orlando and even New York can't match. Plus, it is geographically closer, putting more possibilities within reach of the E190s and A320s..

With all these new southbound flights out of FLL, I wonder if we'll see B6 add any new domestic/northbound flights to feed them and further their appeal to South Florida O&D. Stuff like ORD, PHL, PIT, etc.?
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:58 pm

I think the next logical step out of FLL, is MEX????
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL. As they pull out, B6 adds.

Is NK actually pulling down FLL or simply deploying new aircraft elsewhere? If NK cant make money in certain markets, there is no way B6 can.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
If NK cant make money in certain markets, there is no way B6 can.

Really? Because B6 has handidly forced Spirit to exit or significantly reduce service in many markets, including FLLCUN, FLLKIN, FLLNAS, FLLSDQ and FLLSJU.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL.

No, it's not. Reducing service to focus more on domestic flying does not equal "steadily pulling out."
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:57 pm

With the expansion going on at FLL, what the heck was the purpose of building a focus city in MCO in the first place? These two hubs/focus cities seem pretty redundant, geographically at least.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:04 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):

NK has lower CASM than B6. Do you have LF info on NK in these markets? Is B6 taking traffic from NK? While LF can't predict profitability, in NK's case their CASM is so low and ancillary rev so high that high LF probably do equal profits.

You also answered you own question. B6 isn't running NK out of those markets. NK is moving assets to the domestic market.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Is NK actually pulling down FLL or simply deploying new aircraft elsewhere? If NK cant make money in certain markets, there is no way B6 can.

IMHO NK was making money in those markets, but they are making more elsewhere so they move the planes to maximize revenue.

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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:14 pm

Quoting santi319 (Reply 17):

I think the next logical step out of FLL, is MEX????


Wow looks like Delta read my post... Forget about B6, DL is the smart one here apparently.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:53 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
it is clear B6 has shifted its Florida-Latin America growth strategy from MCO to FLL


Bogota and San Jose [from June 27] will experience the dual service from both FLL and MCO on B6.




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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
if we could see additional Central American stations like GUA, SAL, and PTY


Spirit Airlines is struggling with NK FLL-GUA 4x weekly, NK FLL-SAL 3x weekly and NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly.
These Central American stations are having non-stop services to Miami on AA and [TACA or Copa Airlines].

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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:11 am

Quoting mia (Reply 8):

I commute out of FLL regularly and more often than not out of Terminal 4. I can tell you that partitions have already been put up throughout Terminal 4, with construction signs put up telling of the Terminal 4 expansion project. When finished T4 should have two concourses. I concur that for the amount of service and traffic that FLL is poised to receive that space is woefully inadequate, especially as it pertains to seating in the gate areas; during peak periods it is a zoo in there.

  
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:31 am

Finally the schedule on the coming B6 FLL-SJO has been loaded in amadeus.net.
It's competing with the current daylight NK FLL-SJO as shown:

B6 039........FLL 09:45.......SJO 10:39..........Daily.......320
B6 038........SJO 13:00......FLL 18:09...........Daily.......320
Effective: June 27th

NK 755.......FLL 10:42........SJO 11:35..........Daily.......319
NK 756.......SJO 12:30.......FLL 17:21...........Daily.......319


B6 FLL-SJO 7x weekly is basically oriented to the leisure traffic given the daylight allocation.
NK FLL-SJO 10x weekly is having 7x weekly operations as daylight flights plus 3x weekly "red-eye" flights.

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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
IF Jetblue wants to the king of South Florida LCC airlines and scale its operations to Latin America why not buy Spirit ? Spirit has a new modern fleet of A320 planes.

Operating the same fleet type isn't enough to justify the turmoil of a merger, as jfklganyc stated. JetBlue seems to be doing well enough on their own and Spirit is very pleased with the ULCC model, so I think it's unlikely they'd abandon it by merging.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
Because they are a garbage product (my opinion) that is the complete opposite of the JetBlue product (fact).

That being said, Spirit has no motivation to focus on its product since it caters to the most price-sensitive of customers who don't really care about product to begin with. "You get what you pay for."

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL. As they pull out, B6 adds.

You have the order backwards. As JetBlue adds international service from FLL, Spirit has been withdrawing service on routes where the two airlines compete.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
No, it's not. Reducing service to focus more on domestic flying does not equal "steadily pulling out."

   The response to Spirit's business model on international routes has been lukewarm, but Americans can't seem to get enough.

Quoting Noise (Reply 20):
With the expansion going on at FLL, what the heck was the purpose of building a focus city in MCO in the first place? These two hubs/focus cities seem pretty redundant, geographically at least.

My guess is because Spirit had already set up shop at FLL. However, this was before Spirit had really implemented the "ultra" aspect of "ultra low cost carrier", so now JetBlue's finding it easier to compete.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
Spirit Airlines is struggling with NK FLL-GUA 4x weekly, NK FLL-SAL 3x weekly and NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly. These Central American stations are having non-stop services to Miami on AA and [TACA or Copa Airlines].

Less-than-daily frequency does not automatically equate to "struggling". These are VFR routes for Spirit (as the schedules indicate) and they do not require daily service. Spirit isn't going after the business traveler or the upper class family.
 
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RE: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO

Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 27):
Less-than-daily frequency does not automatically equate to "struggling".


Let me put it this way: both NK FLL-GUA and NK FLL-PTY were 7x weekly some years backward.

Source: Spirit timetable, May 01st 2008.

The commercial strategy followed by their competitors had good results for them, in order to hurt the expansion in Central America of NK.
Having said that, Spirit is struggling for the market and I don't visualize any B6 FLL-PTY or B6 FLL-GUA in the near future.

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