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BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:58 am

BA have today unveiled further changes to there planned S13 operation.

Below is a list of all the changes noticed so far:

New Routes:

Chengdu - New 3 x weekly service begins 22SEP13. Flights will be operated by a 4 Class 772ER

Ibiza - New weekend service starts 29APR13. The new service will mean BA will offer a total of up to 29 (17 x LCY, 10 x LGW, 2 x LHR) flights a week to IBZ next Summer.

Palma - New weekend service starts 31MAR13. BA will offer up to 8 (6 x LCY, 2 x LHR) flights a week to PMI next summer.

Routes Suspended

BA's flights to Dar Es Salaam and Tbilisi will end in late March 2013

Frequency/Schedule Changes

Amman - Daily 2 class A321 service will increase to 10 x weekly for S13

Berlin - Flights increase to up to 7 x daily

Boston - Will increase from 3 to 4 x daily

Chennai - Will increase from 5 to 6 x weekly.

Hyderabad - Summer operation increases from 5 to 6 weekly. Once again operated by a 3 class 767

Jeddah - Will increase from 5 x weekly to daily.

Johannesburg - Increases to 17 x weekly from 29APR13. Additional 3 x weekly flights operated by a 4 class 772ER

Larnaca - Schedule changed. Flights move to a late evening departure from LHR. Return flights will depart LCA late morning .

Leeds Bradford - Frequency will reduce from up to 4 x daily to 3 x daily.

Luanda - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly for S13

Mexico City - Will increase from 4 to 5 x weekly.

Miami - Frequency reduced from 3 to 2 x daily. BA205/BA204 will not operate.

Phoenix - Daily frequency introduced during W12 continues through S13

Rio De Janeiro - Will increase from 6 x weekly to daily. Flights continue to be operated by a 3 class 772ER

Stockholm - Will increase from up to 5 x daily to 6 x daily

Toronto - Will increase from 2 x daily to 17 x weekly.

Aircraft Type Change

Almaty - 3 x weekly direct 3 Class 767 service will replace the current A321 service via Tbilisi.

Cairo - 3 Class 767 replaces the 2 class A321 01JUL13 to 04OCT13

Hong Kong - 747 replaces 77G on BA027/BA028 rotation

Kuwait - 747 introduced for W12 continues to operate S13. 772ER operated S12

Los Angeles - 747 replaces 77G on BA279/BA278 rotation

Singapore/Sydney - 77G replaces 747.

Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5


BA expected to confirm which routes are to be operated by the 787 and A380 in the next few weeks

Therefore further changes are likely
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:19 pm

Great, thanks for sharing
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5

Thank you for the update,

Are there any routes moving from T5 to another Terminal to accommodate these changes?
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5

Does this leave Bangkok as the only longhaul route left out of T3 ?
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:47 pm

Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

If these move to T5 along Singapore, some other services might need to be relocated to T1 or T3.
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:55 pm

So are the only 777-300ER routes LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-JFK?
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:56 pm

Dar Es Salaam being suspended is a bit of a surprise. IBZ from LHR is an even bigger one as I would have thought they would've just left it to the LCY frequencies.

Quite pleased to see ALA go 767, I thought it would prove to be a more successful ex BD route.
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

HAJ, BGO and SVG along with Agadir are also former BMI routes left and still running by BA. Anybody know how it is going with BA to these four destinations??
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:17 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
So are the only 777-300ER routes LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-JFK?
BA plan to operate the 77W's on the following flights during S13. Information based on timetable for 01-07JUL 13

Daily - BA005/BA006 - LHR/NRT/LHR

Daily - BA015/BA016 - LHR/SIN/SYD/SIN/LHR

6 x Weekly - BA179/BA182 - LHR/JFK/LHR (Sun to Fri)

5 x Weekly - BA169/BA168 - LHR/PVG/LHR (Thu to Mon)

Quoting barca (Reply 7):
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

HAJ, BGO and SVG along with Agadir are also former BMI routes left and still running by BA. Anybody know how it is going with BA to these four destinations??

I think he meant the mid haul routes that BD began operating back in 2007 after the sucessfully buying the former BA franchise carrier British Mediterranean Airways (BMED).

Quoting runway23 (Reply 3):
Does this leave Bangkok as the only longhaul route left out of T3 ?

Yes BKK will be the only longhaul route operating ex T3 during S13

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
If these move to T5 along Singapore, some other services might need to be relocated to T1 or T3.

It's worth remembering that BA have had spare capacity at T5 since the CAI and TLV were transfered to T1. BA's flights to LCA, SIN and SYD are able to be accommodated at T5 thanks to a number of minor timetable changes and the spare capacity freed up during W12 .

[Edited 2013-01-17 15:46:20]
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:15 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 8):
I think he meant the mid haul routes that BD began operating back in 2007 after the sucessfully buying the former BA franchise carrier British Mediterranean Airways (BMED).

Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:51 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...

I thought they also operate to Moscow?
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:56 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...

Based on the schedule for the first week of June 2013 the BA mid haul A321 are to operate:

AMM - 11 x Weekly
BEY - Daily
CAI - Daily
GYD - Daily
TLV - 20 x weekly

BA will require 6 aircraft to operate this operation leaving 1 spare. From the 1st of July CAI will move to a 767 for 4 months. BA are moving the CAI to a 767 due to a number of the mid haul A321's being due maintenance checks over this period.
Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 10):
I thought they also operate to Moscow?
DME is at operated by:
BA233/BA232 - 4 Class 747 (14F/70J/30W/185Y)
BA235/BA234 - 3 Class 767 (24J/24W/140Y)
BA237/BA236 - 3 Class 767 (24J/24W/140Y)

The DME was switched from a shorthaul to longhaul product a year ago.

BA has seen a noticeable improvement in loads and yields in it's business and economy cabins since they switched to a longhaul operation. However loads and yields have been very disappointing in it's F and WTP cabins. In fact more often than not pax traveling in seated in WTP have been upgraded due to a over sale in WT.

Personally I think that we will see BA make changes to how they operate the LHR-DME service in W13. I think it would be make more sense if BA made changes to the aircraft operating the route from the current operation detailed above to:

BA233/BA232 - 3 Class 777 (48J/24W/203Y)
BA235/BA234 - 2 Class Midhaul A321 (23J/131Y)
BA235/BA234 - 2 Class Midhaul A321 (23J/131Y)

[Edited 2013-01-18 04:55:38]
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 8):
5 x Weekly - BA169/BA168 - LHR/PVG/LHR (Thu to Mon)

Does this flight operate with a 772 on the other weekly frequency then?
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:40 pm

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 12):
Does this flight operate with a 772 on the other weekly frequency then?

Yes Wed flight is a 772
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:32 pm

Was BA obliged to use the 12 slots it needed to hand over to competition in Winter 2012/2013?
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:10 pm

How many LHR slots will BA purchase from Ryanair/Aer Lingus should the deal pass EU scrutiny ?
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:12 pm

I think the new A321 configurations have been a smashing success. Very useful for certain routes I would think.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 11):
Personally I think that we will see BA make changes to how they operate the LHR-DME service in W13. I think it would be make more sense if BA made changes to the aircraft operating the route from the current operation detailed above to:

I agree. I think it would be best suted for that as well, yet perhaps, if they could fill it a low-J 744 to replace the lost capacity.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Ibiza - New weekend service starts 29APR13. The new service will mean BA will offer a total of up to 29 (17 x LCY, 10 x LGW, 2 x LHR) flights a week to IBZ next Summer.

Palma - New weekend service starts 31MAR13. BA will offer up to 8 (6 x LCY, 2 x LHR) flights a week to PMI next summer.

I wonder when these sort of slot-sitting routes (ALC, AGA also comes to mind) will be given up and replaced with long-haul destinations (and the routes could be switched to LGW if found to be sustaniable) Or could be actually be contenplating opening up lesuire routes from LHR? Anyone have any figures off hand?

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 15):
How many LHR slots will BA purchase from Ryanair/Aer Lingus should the deal pass EU scrutiny ?

The Financial Times says Ryannair would give up half of EIs LHR slots to BA.
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
BA expected to confirm which routes are to be operated by the 787 and A380 in the next few weeks.

I wonder how the 787 situation has affected plans for the summer schedules? I hope they have enough a/c to cover everything expected or already planned just in case the new planes are not exactly "usable" for a while!

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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:15 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
I wonder how the 787 situation has affected plans for the summer schedules? I hope they have enough a/c to cover everything expected or already planned just in case the new planes are not exactly "usable" for a while!

The four B787 due this year will replace B767-300.
So the problem will be finding B767 maint slots to keep them in service. You can be sure that all 4 B767 will be due big hangar checks, which will now have to be done.
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:29 pm

T1 to see a BA B767 again.
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 16):

I think the new A321 configurations have been a smashing success

Are there any photos of the interiors of these a/c with the new Swiss seats? I haven't seen any and I am very curious!
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:06 pm

I have a picture of the world traveller cabin. Not the best but something! IFE is still bmi branding.
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 20):
Are there any photos of the interiors of these a/c with the new Swiss seats?
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:09 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):

767s will see service to GLA and EDI summer schedule too.

G-BNWN will be the first to leave the fleet
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:40 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 11):
Based on the schedule for the first week of June 2013 the BA mid haul A321 are to operate:

AMM - 11 x Weekly
BEY - Daily
CAI - Daily
GYD - Daily
TLV - 20 x weekly

BA will increase frequency to BEY from the start of S13. Flights will increase to 10 x weekly from it's originally planned daily frequency
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:27 am

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
BA's flights to Dar Es Salaam

This is a surprise. I always thought this flight did well.

That leaves KL at DAR.....
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Larnaca - Schedule changed. Flights move to a late evening departure from LHR. Return flights will depart LCA late morning .
Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5

Is it likely these flight times have purely been changed to allow them to get a slot at LHR's T5?

I notice the flight times are pretty rubbish!

LHR 22.35 ----> LCA 05.05
LCA 11.05 ----> LHR 14.05

I thought the LCA service had a lot of connecting traffic on the USA, an arrival time in LHR is not much good, you will manage to catch one or two of the later US departures, and also a departure from LHR at 22.35, is no good for arriving traffic from the USA connecting on to LCA.

Also what a waste on a 767, been on the ground at LCA for six hours! Surely a 7am departure getting into LHR for about 10am would be far better?...
 
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:22 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 26):
Is it likely these flight times have purely been changed to allow them to get a slot at LHR's T5?

I notice the flight times are pretty rubbish!

LHR 22.35 ----> LCA 05.05
LCA 11.05 ----> LHR 14.05

I thought the LCA service had a lot of connecting traffic on the USA, an arrival time in LHR is not much good, you will manage to catch one or two of the later US departures, and also a departure from LHR at 22.35, is no good for arriving traffic from the USA connecting on to LCA.

Also what a waste on a 767, been on the ground at LCA for six hours! Surely a 7am departure getting into LHR for about 10am would be far better?...

I agree, however it appears that LCA is not very high on BA priorities possibly due to Cyprus being a small destination with no large numbers of premium traffic. Just my   
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RE: BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:36 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 24):
BA will increase frequency to BEY from the start of S13. Flights will increase to 10 x weekly from it's originally planned daily frequency

Good news. Any chance of it going to a 767 at all? I always thought it was strange that LCA received the 767 but not BEY, although looking at some trip reports it would show that the A321s offer a better product (with the new business class cabin)
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