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A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:40 pm

Since the last thread has reached over 260 replies, please continue the discussion here.

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A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' (by afriwing Dec 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:46 pm

There was a rumor that Turkish Airlines would order the A380 (as part of a larger order including the A320neo) during the visit by French Foreign Trade Minister Nicole Bricq. However, no deal has been announced as of yet.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:06 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

There was a rumor that Turkish Airlines would order the A380 (as part of a larger order including the A320neo) during the visit by French Foreign Trade Minister Nicole Bricq. However, no deal has been announced as of yet.

Can't see that happening in all honesty. Maybe some 77W's.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 2):
Can't see that happening in all honesty. Maybe some 77W's.

TK did place a sizable order for the 777-300ER (and the A330-300) last year.

The new Istanbul international airport needs to be completed before TK can effectively use a fleet of VLAs, be they the A380-800 or the 747-8.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:12 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
The new Istanbul international airport needs to be completed before TK can effectively use a fleet of VLAs

True, but they can already order the aircraft.
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:12 pm

I still say it's United. They have 24 747s which are going to need replacing very soon - some are 20 years old. Maybe a big order for 777-300ERs would cover it but actually I think they're going to go big time. Japan, Australia, China all need capacity. Finally an American Whale. That's my prediction.
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:17 pm

I Think BA will top-up the A380s (12 on order)
They got a lot of 744s in fleet wich are quite old now.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:20 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
True, but they can already order the aircraft.

Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.

If TK wanted the 747-8, I could possibly see them ordering it now because the 747-8's narrower wingspan would allow it to fit into IST better than the A380-800. However I'm not sure if a gate that meets the ICAO Code F criteria is required in order to park a 748 or A388 or if it is just a recommendation. Looking at the current IST gate layout, they appear to interleave Code E and Code C planes in order to provide sufficient wingtip clearance. As the 747-8's span is only a couple of meters wider than the 777-300ER (a Code E aircraft), I would think one could interleave it with a 737 or A320, as well.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:42 pm

More Singapore airlines orders?

They are the launch airline for the aircraft after all.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:44 pm

SQ and EK will need to place new orders as their initial deliveries will be start to reach their lease-return targets between 2018-2020.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:59 pm

We can only guess but I think the last SQ order for 5 A380 aircraft is to replace the oldest models, starting from 2017.
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Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
I still say it's United. They have 24 747s which are going to need replacing very soon - some are 20 years old. Maybe a big order for 777-300ERs would cover it but actually I think they're going to go big time. Japan, Australia, China all need capacity. Finally an American Whale. That's my prediction.

Isn't the planned 744 replacement the A359 ? That is what is stated in the recent feature on Continental/United in "Air International".
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.

They would be taking a risk if they followed that policy. The new Berlin Airport shows what could go wrong when betting on that. Especially Air Berlin is suffering from all the delays there. Let's hope Turkey and TK can pull-off a better job if they decide to order the A380.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:16 pm

Well ordering the A380 might also help the airport being actually build/refit.
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Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.

IIRC A380 has no lease company orders, so if you want them in the next few years, you have to order them yourself. I guess you can always arrange to defer but can you get them sooner if you need them?

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Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:05 pm

Quoting art (Reply 14):
I guess you can always arrange to defer but can you get them sooner if you need them?

There is a chance as LH exercised last? year if others want to defer.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting solnabo (Reply 6):
I Think BA will top-up the A380s (12 on order)
They got a lot of 744s in fleet wich are quite old now.

I think you may be right... but I think BA will wait unti they have a couple of A380s in service to evaluate them (I think the first one is coming in Q3). The 747s will be used until the end of their useful lives, so there is no rush to replace them at this time.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:00 pm

It would be nice to see an american A380, even if I think it's quite impossible...
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:22 pm

Too bad it won't be AA, DL or UA. I'd love to see the A380 flying for a US airline.

BA seems like a logical choice given all the 744s they have.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:35 pm

I'd put my money on an additional BA order for the A380-800 to replace their 747-400 fleet, which is starting to become expensive to run.

UA will likely replace their 747-400's with a mix of A350XWB-900's and maybe (I emphasize maybe) the A350XWB-1000 for transpacific flights from SFO.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 19):
I'd put my money on an additional BA order for the A380-800 to replace their 747-400 fleet, which is starting to become expensive to run.

I'm with those who believe BA will want to see how the A380 works out for them in revenue service before placing a top-up order. And by "works for them" I mean within their network, overall. Clearly they feel the plane will work for them on some routes, otherwise they would not have ordered it in the first place.

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:23 pm

Quoting lollomz (Reply 17):

It would be nice to see an american A380, even if I think it's quite impossible..

Well there have been several threads on that subject and why it won't be happening.

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 18):

Too bad it won't be AA, DL or UA. I'd love to see the A380 flying for a US airline.

BA seems like a logical choice given all the 744s they have.

Using that logic, it could also be Singapore, or Qantas, or Air France, or JAL...Take your pick. It is all just speculation and conjecture which of course this website is so good at, but it is fun isn't it?
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting lollomz (Reply 17):
It would be nice to see an american A380, even if I think it's quite impossible...

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:29 pm

I'll put my voice in for another vote of a BA "top-up order", although I have a feeling that this new order will be significantly bigger than the 12 they have committed to. I expect a top up order of 23-30 aircraft.

Do remember that BA made its 12 commitments when the economic climate was rapidly deteriorating, and as we know, BA are very conservative in their fleet planning.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12):
They would be taking a risk if they followed that policy. The new Berlin Airport shows what could go wrong when betting on that. Especially Air Berlin is suffering from all the delays there. Let's hope Turkey and TK can pull-off a better job if they decide to order the A380.

Hey, that is Turkey.
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Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:09 am

Hoping for Iberia.......

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Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:13 am

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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:20 am

Must be Qatar Airways... they've been dangling a carrot in front of Bombardier for years now over a supposed CSeries order...
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:22 am

Yesterday, I read (I think it was Hurrieyet online) that Chancellor Merkel will travel to Turkey as well in February. Well, it's pure speculation but at least it's a realistic scenario that Turkey wants to see representatives from both France and Germany to discuss some open issues before signing "a significant" order.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:51 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 28):
Yesterday, I read (I think it was Hurrieyet online) that Chancellor Merkel will travel to Turkey as well in February. Well, it's pure speculation but at least it's a realistic scenario that Turkey wants to see representatives from both France and Germany to discuss some open issues before signing "a significant" order.

If it is TK (and contracts have been set up), might it be that for political reasons Turkey would rather sign the order on the visit of a German head of state? Or that Merkel wants to have an order announced during her visit?
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 23):
I'll put my voice in for another vote of a BA "top-up order", although I have a feeling that this new order will be significantly bigger than the 12 they have committed to. I expect a top up order of 23-30 aircraft.

Hmm - Leahy said that his target for A380 sales in 2013 is 25. If he already had a significant order for 23 to 30 more or less in the bag, I'm sure he would have been bolder.
Also, I don't think BA is going to top up their order just yet. I do believe they will, but not before they've operated them for a year or two.

Quoting art (Reply 29):
If it is TK (and contracts have been set up), might it be that for political reasons Turkey would rather sign the order on the visit of a German head of state? Or that Merkel wants to have an order announced during her visit?

That would make sense. Although I'm not holding my breath - TK has been just about to place a VLA order so many times over the last few years but eventually nothing was ever actually signed and announced.
Oh - and I do think that if TK eventually place a VLA order it will be for the A380, not the 747-8i. I tend to go with Scott Hamilton's view that the 747-8i - not the 747-8F - does not have much of a future.
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:39 pm

The reason why I mentioned BA as the next customer to buy more A380's comes down to this: the 747-400 fleet, while very well-maintained, is starting to become a bit of a fuel guzzler by 2013 standards--and the 777-300ER is too small a plane for many of BA's more popular routes. BA could easily fill an A388 from LHR to several destinations in the USA, HKG, SIN, NRT, PEK, and several others.
 
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RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2

Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:01 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 30):
If he already had a significant order for 23 to 30 more or less in the bag, I'm sure he would have been bolder.

I'm sure he'd rather under-promise and over-deliver on that. There are indications that EK may place their much talked about top-up for 30 frames this year. That would mean any other orders in 2013 are just icing on the cake, especially if the target has been set somewhat on the low side.
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