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PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:58 pm

According to posters at another board PK are rumored to reroute JFK and ORD through Shannon from summer, the tech stop was used for cargo flights through the 1990s and passenger services from 1999-2000, at the time they were doing Washington too besides JFK and YYZ.

Chicago is to resume from May, possibly ORD will be via MAN and JFK wil go via BCN instead.

Glasgow may also be back from May linked to Lahore, was suspended a couple of years back.

Mashhad in Iran also planned to resume.

Also mention unamed "new" destinations in southeast Asia from Karachi to be revived.

New destinations Najaf in Iraq and Kashi in China also planned for launch this year.

[Edited 2013-01-17 14:19:37]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:24 pm

not sure they know whether theyre coming or going. Looking at the LBA figures may the A310 will go from there to GLA. Surprised double daily EK are not putting PK off at GLA. Again the use it or lose it came to fruition and nothing had changed on what essentially is niche VFR. Those A310's wont last forever...
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:49 pm

GLA is being resumed under poitical pressure on PM's directive thanks to the dumb immigrant community who met him and asked him to do this, and are probably too complexed to travel on foreign carriers because they cant throw their weight around, with issues such as excess baggage and bossing the crew.

[Edited 2013-01-17 16:18:01]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
GLA is being resumed under poitical pressure on PM's directive thanks to the dumb immigrant community who met him and asked him to do this, and are probably too complexed to travel on foreign carriers because they cant throw their weight around, with issues such as excess bagge and bossing the vrew.

Makes you wonder how profitable the rest of their EU destinations are, or are they too just operating for the sake of the expat communities?

BCN in particular always seemed a strange one to me.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:37 am

Yes only catering expats abroad and possubly 10% foreign traffic, also dont forget they were pulling out of Leeds too till the dumb immigrants complained to a Pak origin female MP or somethimg in UK who took up the issue with PIA and got them to stay.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:42 am

Do expats get to vote in Pak elections? That might go some way to explaining it. Otherwise I can't see why even PIA would bother serving those markets.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:53 am

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 5):

They do.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:53 am

Probably will bring back Singapore since there no current service from Pakistan to Singapore. I wish they would come back to Houston be nice to have. Can you just fly to Manchester or Shannon or Barcelona and get off? Or do you have to go to Pakistan?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:25 am

I wonder if PIA will get hit hard when the Middle East carriers come to Sialkot.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:01 am

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Glasgow may also be back from May

Yes, have a look, PIA already loaded new destination to their booking tool (Glasgow, Chicago)- but these destinations are not (yet) bookable... There is something coming up!

http://www.piaawards.com/pia/WebtktS...aspx?CFID=3522982&CFTOKEN=54331179
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
Can you just fly to Manchester or Shannon or Barcelona and get off? Or do you have to go to Pakistan?
SNN will be used as a transit stop only by what I understand (for re-screening and pre-clearing) and will not take any SNN O&D passengers. This means PK intends to have nonstop JFK-LHE flights on the return sector.

[Edited 2013-01-18 04:59:14]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:22 pm

Any news on the secondhand 777s they are interested in? Wonder how many hours/cycles the 27-year old 743s have clocked by now. They must be far above 100.000 hours now.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 3):

BCN is no surprise due to the Pakistani diaspora.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):

As was the last time when they operated the 743. Lets hope it goes better than last time.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:32 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 9):

Could be an old list yet to be updated, it still features suspended station Al Ain and is missing some relaunched regional and domestic ones too.

Quoting na (Reply 11):

leasing two 772 plan dropped in favour of three more narrow bodies totalingl eight, expected to be A320 so far but said to have been dropped again with the 738 is being looked at , of 743 four are flying a fifth waiting engine replacement, two or three more rumored to be coming in from Saudia later on.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):

SNN also got the 707-300CF and A310 during that period, including flights to Toronto.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:31 pm

They should pick up traffic in Shannon and Manchester.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:10 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
leasing two 772 plan dropped in favour of three more narrow bodies totalingl eight, expected to be A320 so far but said to have been dropped again with the 738 is being looked at , of 743 four are flying a fifth waiting engine replacement, two or three more rumored to be coming in from Saudia later on.

I thought I read recently the plans to get Saudia 743s have been dropped.
Will those A320s replace the very old 733s (which are even older than the 743s) or are they fleet additions?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:53 pm

They are replacements for 733.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:31 pm

Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:57 pm

Is that instead of MAN now?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.

Do you have a link?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:08 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.

Good news for SNN. Hopefully it will last a bit longer than last time.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:49 am

This maybe slightly off topic - a friend of mine is transiting KHI soon and was wondering how the transit process works as he does not have a visa and is connecting EK to TG on separate tickets.

Thoughts?

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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:14 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 21):

There is very little to no transit action in KHI as you probably know. Infact its so novel that im actually curious as to what your friends routing is that there was a need to transit via KHI. If he is connecting from EK to TG that means hes arriving from DXB and going onto BKK (TG flies to MCT from KHI too but i doubt he would go DXB-MCT this way). Howcome he wouldnt get onto a TG flight from DXB? One possibility could be to take advantage of much lower J class fares from KHI.

Coming to your specific question,there is a small transit lounge at KHI airport and over the years i have seen people there ocassionaly. The lounge is called "transit lounge" and it is located on the departures level. Logistically speaking if your friend has a separate ticket for his TG flight,it would mean he will need to go to the TG desk (to acquire his boarding pass) which is at the entrance of departures - the immigration checks are between this point and the transit lounge. Im thinking how will he make his way to the TG desk as an arriving pax with no visa.

By the way what is the nationality of the friend - if not too much hassle i would suggest he may just get a visa to avoid any hassle at the airport OR at the very least call the local TG office in Karachi and speak to a senior person there and explain his circumstances. Perhaps TG can send a ground staff to fetch him from his arriving EK flight and liase with the immigration folks.

Tell him try calling +9221 32788000 and see what they say. Do keep us posted - i would be very curious how it shapes up.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:18 am

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 22):
There is very little to no transit action in KHI as you probably know. Infact its so novel that im actually curious as to what your friends routing is that there was a need to transit via KHI. If he is connecting from EK to TG that means hes arriving from DXB and going onto BKK (TG flies to MCT from KHI too but i doubt he would go DXB-MCT this way). Howcome he wouldnt get onto a TG flight from DXB? One possibility could be to take advantage of much lower J class fares from KHI.

Coming to your specific question,there is a small transit lounge at KHI airport and over the years i have seen people there ocassionaly. The lounge is called "transit lounge" and it is located on the departures level. Logistically speaking if your friend has a separate ticket for his TG flight,it would mean he will need to go to the TG desk (to acquire his boarding pass) which is at the entrance of departures - the immigration checks are between this point and the transit lounge. Im thinking how will he make his way to the TG desk as an arriving pax with no visa.

By the way what is the nationality of the friend - if not too much hassle i would suggest he may just get a visa to avoid any hassle at the airport OR at the very least call the local TG office in Karachi and speak to a senior person there and explain his circumstances. Perhaps TG can send a ground staff to fetch him from his arriving EK flight and liase with the immigration folks.

Tell him try calling +9221 32788000 and see what they say. Do keep us posted - i would be very curious how it shapes up.

= Thanks for your help. I have already advised him of this. But he is a crazy airline guy who has been to over 170 countries and is flying the last Eritrean Airlines flight to KHI and then connecting on to Thai for BKK. So, is there not a transfer desk @ KHI?

Oh the best part, he is going to be on an Indian passport ...

Saludos,
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:24 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 23):
= Thanks for your help. I have already advised him of this. But he is a crazy airline guy who has been to over 170 countries and is flying the last Eritrean Airlines flight to KHI and then connecting on to Thai for BKK. So, is there not a transfer desk @ KHI?

Oh the best part, he is going to be on an Indian passport ...

Saludos,
A.

His nationality may well make the transfer experience a bit more interesting in KHI to say the least  

To be honest,despite travelling so much from that airport,im not sure about the existance of a transfer desk at KHI. I would like to think there is one however i dont ever recall seeing any action on it. KHI is 99.9% O&D (save for domestic transfers). He should definately call TG local office prior to departure.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:29 pm

PIA will stop serving full meals on domestic routes from 1 February, these will be replaced by refreshments.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:05 am

I wonder if the CAA has any improvement plans for KHI and LHE?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:12 pm

Kashgar sounds fun! I can already see lots of bicycles being checked-in if that's going to happen.
A ride across the Pamirs then fly back would be an excellent idea and can save lots of energy.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:41 pm

According to another board A320 coming from Jetstar Asia, first three due in April and crew training to be in Colombo.

[Edited 2013-01-26 09:52:31]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:17 pm

Shannon will have full traffic rights and is being marketed as a destination along with UK routes as UK & Ireland at the website.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:22 am

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 3):

BCN in particular always seemed a strange one to me.

Back in the 1990s before the rise of Emirates, almost all the Spanish tourists I met in Delhi used to fly to India on PK. I have seen huge groups of Spanish tourists with PIA baggage tags checking in to Delhi hotels.

Not sure about the situation now.
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:04 pm

The largest tour group in the PK crash in Kathmandu was from Spain

Leeds/Bradford being upgraded to 772 from mid March.

[Edited 2013-02-04 10:46:21]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:12 pm

Presumably 777 to LBA due to withdrawal of A310's and not as a result of loads, going by recent CAA statistics. Would have been less surprised if it had been axed. Or is the A310 going back to GLA ?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:17 am

Shaheen Airline is also bring in Airbus 320 to there fleet.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:00 am

PK are now listing interline destinations in their bookings section, these are Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax, Los Angeles, Houston, Memphis, Chicago through Air Canada, West Jet, United and Delta.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:20 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):

Checked some prices on the website from Houston, Texas its still cheaper to take Qatar or Emirates vs PIA.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:22 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):

You only have Delta option as well from Houston I expected United though since Houston is there largest HUB.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 29):

I dont know why they're showing SNN as a destination when it will only be a one way tech stop, maybe US immigration there makes it almost a destination.

[Edited 2013-02-07 21:42:15]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:10 am

Chicago starts 5 June apparently once weekly 772 as KHI-LHE-BCN-ORD according to another board. PK are also interlining to ORD through United.

[Edited 2013-02-17 22:11:48]
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 38):

Good to know, They should do IAH with United as well. I wonder if there considering a start up back in Houston?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:13 am

I remember flying FRA-NYC on a PIA B742 in the eighties. Does anyone know about the history of this route? Was it the only U.S. route through FRA back then and did it go to JFK?
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting LH422 (Reply 41):
Was it the only U.S. route through FRA back then and did it go to JFK?

CPH was also used once a week to JFK with a 742 for a period. I believe Paris Orly was also a Trans-Atlantic stop. These were all due to the reciprocal rights to SK, AF and LH to lift traffic out of KHI to the far-east as KHI was a convenient and cheap stop point. As China opened up airspace and new airways, plus flight over Russia was allowed after the fall of the USSR, and new long haul "Extended Range" DC10s came available, KHI lost it's importance. New Navaids allowing flight closer to the Himalayans shorted the distance, verses the "waltzing" many flights encountered over Delhi, due to their limited resources, and narrow upper air route airways.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:37 pm

Yes JFK was their only US destination till 1997 when they started ORD and IAD.

JFK was also linked to Amsterdam, Istanbul, Cairo and Damascus I think Rome and Athens too later on, not sure but Dubai might have been connected to JFK for a short while., London too in the 60s what about Birmingham? it also had a no traffic right connection to Toronto.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:10 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 42):
Yes JFK was their only US destination till 1997 when they started ORD and IAD.

Thanks, then I got that right in my flight log...
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 42):
Yes JFK was their only US destination till 1997 when they started ORD and IAD.

JFK was also linked via Amsterdam, Istanbul, Cairo and Damascus I think Rome and Athens too later on, not sure but Dubai might have been connected to JFK for a short while., London too in the 60s what about Birmingham? it also had a no traffic right connection to Toronto.

I flew KHI JFK several times in the 1990s and each time it seemed to be via a different city- Paris (Orly in those days), Frankfurt, Amsterdam. The Amsterdam routing was KHI LHE AMS JFK and was on an A310, the rest were 747-200/-200Ms.

In the late 1990s I think everything switched to Shannon, and then, several years later, Manchester.
 
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RE: PIA Routes Rumor / Update

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:50 pm

SNN not appearing for PIA June schedule atleast for now as reported by airlineroute which shows LHE-JFK one flight upped from 77L to 77W and still via MAN.

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