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Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:51 am

New pics from the FAL posted by BBD

FTV1 is completely assembled (except parts like slats and leading edge)

We can see FTV2 & FTV3 in the background (partially assembled)
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:06 am

From what I hear, FTV1 will be receiving its engines soon and FTV2 its wings. Seems like the assembly is progressing very well without any major issues.

Good job Bombardier.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:35 am

When is the first flight expected to be?
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:44 am

Wow! That is a good looking airplane. I really like the cockpit windows and shape of the nose. Sexy all the way!
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:24 am

You can really tell those winglets were inspired by crj winglets... beautiful bird
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:26 am

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 1):
FTV1 will be receiving its engines soon

Maybe next week.

ftv1 has its landing gear on and is ready to have the engines mounted
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:31 am

The most beautiful narrowbody on the planet. Sorry, A320.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:16 am

Great news
I'm still amazed how few thread this all now not so evolutionnary and rather revoltionnary airplane generates on this forum !

So now we have : the tail and fuselage for FTV2 and 3 !
Very good
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:57 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 7):

With all the bad news lately, I think some are a bit gun shy to cheer too loudly lest something goes sideways...but it is great to see progress on the program.

I doubt many will be shocked if the CSeries flies before their summer deadline.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:10 am

Bad news ?
A 6 month delay that surprises nobody
And some suprising orders at the end of 2012...

Not so bad news i think
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 9):

Sorry...I meant bad aerospace news in general, not bad CSeries news specifically. Personally, I've been quite pleased and impressed with the progress.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:22 am

All right !
Good progress I think !
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:38 am

The choice of AlLi for the tube and 'C' for the wings may well turn out to be an inspired decision. Whilst it has not happened yet, the high density version of the 300 may well attract some of the LCC's I feel. Best of luck to them.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:53 am

Good news indeed, it is one fantastic looking aircraft.

Quoting parapente (Reply 12):
Whilst it has not happened yet, the high density version of the 300 may well attract some of the LCC's I feel.

Almost guaranteed, especially if the CS500 is unofficially waved under their noses. There are a lot of current A319/320 operators who are showing interest.


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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:50 am

I feel guilty for even asking, but here it goes anyway....what type of batteries are intended for use on the C-series?

Cheers!

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 14):

Ix-nay on the atteries-bay.

[Edited 2013-01-22 09:50:40]
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 14):
what type of batteries are intended for use on the C-series?

I hear they spared no expense and chose the "no self-immolation" option.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:42 pm

I believe they have gone for a small colony of Russian hampsters with a running wheel / dynamo assembly.

Boeing engineers are apparently studying a higher capacity mk.2 version using chinchillas as a stop gap measure for the 787.

[Edited 2013-01-22 10:46:33]
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:00 pm

So I guess the first flight will be in April:

-2 months to wrap up assembly and instrumentation fit-out.
-1 month for all ground testing
-First Flight
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:19 pm

In all seriousness, this aircraft is shaping up nicely. With the GTF looking to exceed expectations, BBD may have a real winner on their hands here...hopefully once some real data comes in from testing the orders will pick up.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:37 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 10):
Sorry...I meant bad aerospace news in general, not bad CSeries news specifically. Personally, I've been quite pleased and impressed with the progress.

Thanks for the laughs, guys. But I too wonder if Bombardier is now re-checking its battery decisions while keeping an eye on Boeing. Anyone know enough about the C-Series electrical system to make a useful comment?

Since this is a Canadian bird, I expect that circular cage will be big enough for a couple of beavers. For the CS500, it will be a moose.

[Edited 2013-01-22 11:41:29]
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:10 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 19):
With the GTF looking to exceed expectations,

What is the latest news? My sources have gone very quiet... Which they should. They were happy before and they're not calling to get drunk (so the news isn't a downside miss), but I haven't heard.

I suspect Embraer was influenced by 'Bombardier related' data.   

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 7):
I'm still amazed how few thread this all now not so evolutionnary and rather revoltionnary airplane generates on this forum !

Exactly. This plane's cost per flight will re-invigorate the size category of narrowbodies.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 15):
Ix-nay on the atteries-bay.

  

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:26 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 14):
I feel guilty for even asking, but here it goes anyway....what type of batteries are intended for use on the C-series?
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 15):
Ix-nay on the atteries-bay.

Awesome. Thanks for the moment of levity.

Not that it is an all important metric, but it looks pretty. It will be nice to see it in operation.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:58 pm

Just a stupid question but I assume this one is the CS100?
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:00 pm

Why not use a "C" cell? That's funny. So is the thought of seeing a full-size moose run around in a very large hamster wheel!
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:11 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):
What is the latest news?

I don't have any sources, that's just the general consensus feel I get from what I've read in various places. That and the lack of any bad news, along with the importance of this project to P&W (arguably the make or break product of the company), I expect that their projected performance is very conservative to avoid even small misses.

And as you mentioned, the number of airframes this engine will be on lends a lot of credibility and confidence.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:23 pm

Proud to see the largest completely indigeous aircraft ever built in Canada coming together! WIth fingers crossed, let's hope the delays are now behind BBD...
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 14):
I feel guilty for even asking

And we all agree to convict you.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 20):
I expect that circular cage will be big enough for a couple of beavers. For the CS500, it will be a moose.

I dunno, it's not that big from what I see. It would be a challenge to fit a DHC-2 or a Murphy SR3500 inside even a C500.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:15 pm

Big thanks to Queb and others for the pics and updates. There's so little information coming out of BBD that it's easy to forget about the C-series amongst the other big news events.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Just a stupid question but I assume this one is the CS100?

You're correct in your assumption.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:15 am

Has there been any info on first flight(s)?

This would be a worthwhile way to burn some aeroplan points.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:49 am

Quoting m1m2 (Reply 25):
That's funny. So is the thought of seeing a full-size moose run around in a very large hamster wheel!

I hear that scheme has been set aside due to CG issues   .

But it'd be great to see the CSeries or EmbNG here for a change.   
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:28 am

Engines should be attached Monday and to do that she needs to be moved so i reckon this weekend we should see some pics of her on the landing gear
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:06 am

I think it's very beautiful, the winglets remind me the CRJs , the launch customer will be Swiss, am I wrong?
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:02 pm

Quoting lollomz (Reply 33):
the launch customer will be Swiss, am I wrong?

the launch customer is unidentified at this time

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...oses-second-as-qatar-retreats.html
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:43 pm

United Technologies Completes Engine Testing for Bombardier Jet

"United Technologies Corp. UTX +0.41% has completed the testing of its geared-turbofan engine for Bombardier Inc.'s BBD.B.T -0.71% CSeries jetliner, clearing a key hurdle for the fuel-efficient engine and the delayed Canadian jet.

"We have completed all the certification testing—endurance and ice testing. We are moving forward with the paperwork for CSeries technology," Chief Executive Louis Chenevert said in an interview. He said testing was completed over the weekend and that the company expects certification of the engine by regulators in about two weeks."

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

I forgot the link:

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:50 pm

Bombardier dosent use a moving assembly line "where the aircraft is moved" to assemble the c-series?
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Queb you forgot this one

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:56 pm

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting mad99 (Reply 32):
Engines should be attached Monday and to do that she needs to be moved so i reckon this weekend we should see some pics of her on the landing gear

Nice. Good to see her coming together, as Bombardier had been more "secretive" on the assembly process than Airbus with the A350.

For comparison: we have seen the A350 MSN1 rolled out on wheels already, and the first TrentXWB for MSN1 was delivered last week, so we're seeing quite parallel final assembly processes on both a/c, with the CSeries just slightly behind, at least as far as photos and press releases go. It will be an interesting "race" to watch (even if they are not racing each other on the marketplace).
There is a nice incentive which is Le Bourget in june. My bet is on both the CSeries and the A350 achieving FF a few weeks before the show (but no show visits yet... except maybe an A350 flyby... plus the revealing of the mysterious CSeries first customer   )
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:32 pm

So who wants to venture a guess on when it'll fly?

My guess is end March.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 35):
and that the company expects certification of the engine by regulators in about two weeks."

Excellent!   

Quoting r2rho (Reply 40):
There is a nice incentive which is Le Bourget in june. My bet is on both the CSeries and the A350 achieving FF a few weeks before the show (but no show visits yet... except maybe an A350 flyby... plus the revealing of the mysterious CSeries first customer

Agreed on everything except I do not think they'll even fly the A350 at the airshow (too much downside risk with little upside).

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:34 pm

Looks awesome! I can't wait to see the bird fly 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:17 pm

It's so nice to have a break from the bad news and controversy and be able to enjoy some positive news for a change. The 787 battery threads have degraded into a schoolyard hair pulling contest
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:42 pm

I'm still crossing fingers that this doesn't turn out to be Bombardier's nightmareliner.

So far, they seem to be doing a lot better than Boeing did. And my BBD stock is reflecting that. It's basically moved sideways.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 41):
So who wants to venture a guess on when it'll fly?

My guess is end March.

In Davos, Switzerland, Pierre Beaudoin said today to the Canadian Press that he "hopes that its CSeries airliners will take its first flight in June."
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:52 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 44):
It's so nice to have a break from the bad news and controversy and be able to enjoy some positive news for a change. The 787 battery threads have degraded into a schoolyard hair pulling contest

Obviously the C-series engineers are hiding some potentially deadly design decision ; )

It would be nice to see this design proceed at least nominally on-schedule while meeting its performance targets.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:17 pm

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 46):
In Davos, Switzerland, Pierre Beaudoin said today to the Canadian Press that he "hopes that its CSeries airliners will take its first flight in June."

Interesting. I remember reading somewhere that the fastest Bombardier ever put together a plane was 5 months. I also remember reading that they were having much greater success putting this airplane together than previous programs.

So I wonder what the hold up is.

If we assume that they started final assembly on October 1st, that would mean completion by the end of Feb. Given the pics here, not unreasonable. If we assume a fudge of a month, that means 2 months of ground testing at least before first flight. Anybody have any idea for an aircraft of this size and complexity, if it would actually take 2 months of ground testing?

Then again, Beaudoin could just be parroting the official target and their internals may be quicker (or worse!....i hope not). I don't know if it's possible with flight testing and/or certification (or exemptions) by then. But it would be quite the coup if they could pull off the first CSeries TATL flight to the Paris Air Show.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting ytz (Reply 48):

There might not be a hold up...they gave themselves an extra six months so they can use as much time as they need. If they get done ahead of schedule, that's great but they are under no pressure to do that.

It would be terrible if the managers publicly predicted an earlier first flight then dropped the ball. My hope is that they get it flying before June but I'd rather they get it right than early...(taking into consideration their 6 month delay).
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