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Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:04 am

With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them? Also, will they Have only domestic first?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:12 am

Word has it they will be based at DFW and MIA initially, and im certain there will be a lot more then 11. They will start to arrive jul/aug.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:59 am

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them?

Did AA ever confirm the split between 319 and 321s? I've searched and can't find anything. Even the Airbus website didn't appear to have the AA order listed...which is a bit odd. 11 sounds very low, why bother with that small number?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:07 am

I can imagine them using a subfleet of int configured ones for Brazil and other parts of SA, but that would have int biz class. That would be a nice plane to fly on. Honestly I'd rather go on that than a 777W.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:12 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
11 sounds very low,

It does, indeed, for a very big airline like American, but don't forget that additional A319s are also due in the near future when the second batch starts being delivered. The first batch consists of 130 A319s and A321s OEOs, and the second batch consists of 130 more A319s and A321s NEOs. I'm not positive American is still holding on taking delivery of the second batch, but that is the most likely plan if they do decide to pursue on the second batch.

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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:17 am

Do you mean 130 A319 and ANOTHER 130 A321s?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:25 am

No, there is an order for 130 of the current engine option, and 130 of the new engine option.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:01 am

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them?

According to the press packet AA released in conjunction with the announcement of the original Airbus and Boeing order in July 2011, the A319-100(neo) and 737-700 / 737-7 will be used for:

• Secondary domestic markets
• Select markets in Latin America
• High-altitude or short-runway airports
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:51 am

Wait, they ordered 737-700s?!
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:47 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 9):

No; they only ordered 738s and MAXs from Boeing.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:00 am

MKE-DFW and MKE-MIA   
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:38 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
According to the press packet AA released in conjunction with the announcement of the original Airbus and Boeing order in July 2011, the A319-100(neo) and 737-700 / 737-7 will be used for:

• Secondary domestic markets
• Select markets in Latin America
• High-altitude or short-runway airports

The A319 doesn't have the legs for Miami to GIG or GRU but its does have 6 hours flying time, Northern Brazil is within its capability. ITs good for Peru and Ecuador where a 757 is flown but is too big.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:18 pm

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 1):
Word has it they will be based at DFW and MIA initially

Interesting.

MIA I can see - there are plenty of new or existing markets where an A319 would make sense. For instance, I could definitely see some of the relatively larger Midwest ERJ markets like PIT, IND, CMH, etc. supporting A319s, at least during the winter peak, and see A319s being a good fit for markets where they could be used to increase frequency (like TGU, and perhaps the new FDF/PTP). And, I could also see the A319s being useful in opening some new MIA routes like MCI or MKE.

DFW I struggle with a little more. While there are plenty of markets ex-DFW (HSV, BHM, SDF, MSP, etc.) that used to receive F100s and for which the MD80s may, in some instances, be too large, I'm just surprised that AA would judge that to be a more pressing priority than ORD, where the F100 was always a relatively more important aircraft, and where the gap between the MD80 and CRJ700 has been far more chronic and pronounced.

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 1):
im certain there will be a lot more then 11

Absolutely. I foresee plenty of A319s ultimately plying the skies - particularly in and out of ORD to the midwest and northeast, and to a lesser extent out of DFW and MIA, and on thinner transcons out of JFK and LAX (plus hopefully a return to BOS-SFO, a nonstop market I continue to think AA can and should be competing in, the "Cornerstone" strategy notwithstanding).
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:40 pm

DFW-LIM is suppose to be one of the markets.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:56 pm

I would love to see some AA 319 action from ORD-BDL to augment all the Eagle flying.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 14):

Do you mean DFW-BOG?
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:27 pm

If the A319 end up with ovens in MC, then that is going to make a big difference on where the airplane goes as well. There are a lot of destintions out of Miami that get only a cold meal when you get a 737 and a hot meal when you get a 757 or 763. So IF they are equipped with ovens in coach, I can see it replacing the 737 on northern SA and Brazil flights.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:51 pm

I suppose capacity wise would they not be a match to replace the MD80, granted they are not getting many of them but in the future.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:36 pm

I would think that some of the CRJ routes out of ORD would be candidates for the A319. A route such as ORD-ATL was once mostly F100s with a few MD-80s back around 2000. Switch some of the CRJs to A319s, then the surplus CRJs could be shifted onton routes that are all Embrears, but have enough demand and yield to use a larger aircraft with a first class cabin.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:43 pm

Speaking of which, has anyone seen any renditions of the Airbus in the new piano keys paint scheme?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:46 pm

Would be great to see them introduced on Canadian routes. Maybe they'll finally add YEG??
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 14):

Do you mean DFW-BOG?

He probably did mean DFW-LIM. Isn't that reinstated route a candidate for the A319 also?

I'd like to see AA return to CUZ also with the A319, but that's probably not likely.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:56 pm

We just had a long discussion about this;
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:06 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
He probably did mean DFW-LIM.

Its already in the system as a 757. The markets connection potential would make a 319 too small. If the 738 had the legs I could see that, but not the 319.

The 319 however, would be perfect for DFW-BOG.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
He probably did mean DFW-LIM. Isn't that reinstated route a candidate for the A319 also?
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Its already in the system as a 757. The markets connection potential would make a 319 too small. If the 738 had the legs I could see that, but not the 319.

Vrasb Vahidi mentioned DFW-LIM in his press release. Thats' why I said it.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 24):
Vrasb Vahidi mentioned DFW-LIM in his press release. Thats' why I said it.

DFWLIM is for the most part a money losing route. It performed poorly as 757 in the past. Although it did have high load factors, the majority of the traffic was from NRT, and the amount if yield on the overall fare TYO AA X/DFW AA LIM was allocated to the longer overwater leg. Hence the flight was not profitable.

However, with the A319's lower operating cost it may work.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 25):
DFWLIM is for the most part a money losing route. It performed poorly as 757 in the past. Although it did have high load factors, the majority of the traffic was from NRT, and the amount if yield on the overall fare TYO AA X/DFW AA LIM was allocated to the longer overwater leg. Hence the flight was not profitable.

However, with the A319's lower operating cost it may work.

Any standard (i.e., non-NEO) A319 may well have higher unit operating costs (CASM) than a 757 given the A319's weight and seating capacity (particularly if configured in a less dense way with MCE). I'm not sure, as AA has stated repeatedly that the 757's operating economics have deteriorated substantially in recent years. Nonetheless, I don't think it's inconceivable that the 757 is actually the "cheaper" (at least on a unit-basis) airplane.

Where the A319 may have the edge, though, is in capacity constraint and thus (theoretically) yield improvement. We shall see. I'm not sure how DFW-LIM performed in the past, but I guess AA feels at least somewhat comfortable now that a 757 (at least as currently scheduled) can be profitable in the market, given the connections available to the western U.S. and NRT, and given LAN's large and continually-growing hub in LIM.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 25):
DFWLIM is for the most part a money losing route.

You cant really say that. It was a money losing route before it stoped operating 6 years ago. Given the relationship improvements with LA and the lower operating costs BK can provide, DFW-LIM should be able to keep its head above water with a 757. I dont expect it to be the shining star of AA's international network, but I dont expect it to be DFW-KIX either.

If the intent is to move it to a 319, why announce it so far in advance before the 319 become available? That would be a huge downgrade in capacity. Also, given the length of the flight and the schedule, they would need a good J product.

DFW-BOG on the other hand is perfect for the 319.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:30 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
AA has stated repeatedly that the 757's operating economics have deteriorated substantially in recent years.

Out of curiosity, why is that?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 27):
I dont expect it to be the shining star of AA's international network, but I dont expect it to be DFW-KIX either.

I take it that DFW-KIX performed poorly? It was discontinued; later reinstated; and then discontinued again.

I would think that DFW-UIO would be a good route to try with the A319.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
I'm not sure how DFW-LIM performed in the past, but I guess AA feels at least somewhat comfortable now that a 757 (at least as currently scheduled) can be profitable in the market, given the connections available to the western U.S. and NRT, and given LAN's large and continually-growing hub in LIM.

True with new lower operating costs it should be able to run somewhat profitably.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 27):
It was a money losing route before it stoped operating 6 years ago. Given the relationship improvements with LA and the lower operating costs BK can provide, DFW-LIM should be able to keep its head above water with a 757. I dont expect it to be the shining star of AA's international network, but I dont expect it to be DFW-KIX either.

Wrong words... I should have used was.... time will tell how thigns shape up for this reborn route.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
I take it that DFW-KIX performed poorly? It was discontinued; later reinstated; and then discontinued again.

The market was declining on the Japan side and the local O&D from DFW, Texas, and the South wasnt stellar. It was basically coasting on KIX-GRU which wasnt enough to keep it going.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 25):
DFWLIM is for the most part a money losing route. It performed poorly as 757 in the past. Although it did have high load factors, the majority of the traffic was from NRT, and the amount if yield on the overall fare TYO AA X/DFW AA LIM was allocated to the longer overwater leg. Hence the flight was not profitable.

Well that may indicate an "internal" preferance to show more "yield/profit" on the Tokyo leg..so, how exactly is it determined? is there a set formula per mile? per?? which leads to a question of domestic/ international connections..for example how would a FAT-DFW-LIM flight revenue be allocated? or even an eagle flight, say CID-DFW-LIM?

just asking for perspective...thanks
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them? Also, will they Have only domestic first?
Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
Did AA ever confirm the split between 319 and 321s?
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 6):
No, there is an order for 130 of the current engine option, and 130 of the new engine option.

The order is now 15 A319's and 116 A321's (total 131).

As MSN's are progressively assigned, AA is firming each MSN up as an A319 or A321. Airbus has confirmed 15 MSN's for A319 and 6 MSN's for the A321. The remaning MSN's are unassigned but "parked" as A321 orders. No doubt we'll see (many) more A319's confirmed for AA as time goes on.

Initial A319 delivery is in July. Initial A321 delivery November.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 33):
As MSN's are progressively assigned,

I'm guessing in context that means something like Manufacturers Serial Numbers, not the Madison, WI airport?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:25 pm

I would have to say ORD is in the most need they are under pressure from UA and it would be the right size plane on sooo many CR7 ^ MD80 routes out of ORD right now. I could see them replacing 1 CR7 n 1 MD80 out of ORD for the 319. ORD-DTW/MSP/ATL/DCA/DEN/ABQ/SLC/PDX bring it back/RDU/MSY/AUS/SAT/ELP/MCI/PHL/EWR/BNA
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 34):
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 33):
As MSN's are progressively assigned,

I'm guessing in context that means something like Manufacturers Serial Numbers, not the Madison, WI airport?

Correct.  
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 32):
Well that may indicate an "internal" preferance to show more "yield/profit" on the Tokyo leg..so, how exactly is it determined? is there a set formula per mile? per?? which leads to a question of domestic/ international connections..for example how would a FAT-DFW-LIM flight revenue be allocated? or even an eagle flight, say CID-DFW-LIM?

just asking for perspective...thanks

I really dont know the formula. But is is skewed to most money being on the longest leg.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:44 pm

It would be a safe bet to assume that DFW-ELP is a good candidate for such service   The Mad Dogs were, at times, too much capacity.

I wonder if a smaller plane like the A319(neo?) could profitably sustain mainline service ELP-ORD year round   
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:02 pm

I would love to see a lot more A321s dedicated to TCON service with more destinations. Why only LAX-JFK? Why not BOS, DFW, IAD, MIA, ORD, PDX, SAN and HNL? How about offering TCON service to several destinations? Why restrict it only to JFK-LAX/SFO? Surely, there's enough of a market at several of these destinations to at least support on TCON flight per day?

I would think they could employ a simple standard: domestic flights longer than 4 hours get 321 TCON service.

I also find it baffling that the seats in J will be different on the 321OEOs and the 321TCONs from the pics I've seen. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I would love to see AA split the buy with 70 319s and 50 321TCONs. Between the 319s and the 738s, that would be sufficient to replace all the MD80s. And the 321NEOs could be used for larger lift, where the fuel bill is more of a concern, or for some thin TATL routes.

In any event, the interiors of these planes are fabulous. Quite the change for AA's customers.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:06 pm

Could DFW-YYC be a possibility? I seem to recall hearing that the A319s would be used for routes to High and/or Hot airports...
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 39):
Surely, there's enough of a market at several of these destinations to at least support on TCON flight per day?

I'd love to see AA resume SJC-JFK and SJC-BOS with the new airplanes, but not sure SJC is much in AA's plans.

Quoting YYCspotter (Reply 40):
Could DFW-YYC be a possibility? I seem to recall hearing that the A319s would be used for routes to High and/or Hot airports...

YYC is not a hot or high airport. SNA, BUR, EGE, ABQ, UIO, EYW come to mind.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 35):
I would have to say ORD is in the most need they are under pressure from UA and it would be the right size plane on sooo many CR7 ^ MD80 routes out of ORD right now. I could see them replacing 1 CR7 n 1 MD80 out of ORD for the 319. ORD-DTW/MSP/ATL/DCA/DEN/ABQ/SLC/PDX bring it back/RDU/MSY/AUS/SAT/ELP/MCI/PHL/EWR/BNA

Indeed. I could definitely see the A319 being a perfect fit for some or all of the frequencies from ORD to various markets including AUS, IAH, ATL, RDU, DCA, PHL, EWR, BOS, BDL, MSP, YYZ, SLC, ABQ, etc., plus being used to add back some routes like PDX.

Quoting ytz (Reply 39):
I would love to see a lot more A321s dedicated to TCON service with more destinations. Why only LAX-JFK? Why not BOS, DFW, IAD, MIA, ORD, PDX, SAN and HNL? How about offering TCON service to several destinations? Why restrict it only to JFK-LAX/SFO? Surely, there's enough of a market at several of these destinations to at least support on TCON flight per day?

Well if by A321 'TCON' you mean the new, ultra-premium 3-class A321, then that seems unrealistic. Those planes are so low-density and so ultra-premium that there are only a very few select markets where they could ever possibly work, with JFK-LAX/SFO being at the top of that very-short list (indeed, in the domestic U.S. today, those two routes may well be the entire list). But as for A321s in general, I'm sure that over time they will find there way into plenty of transcon markets where 737s and/or 757s now operate, including flights out of BOS, IAD, DCA, SAN, SFO, etc.

And once the A321NEOs with longer legs arrive, those will likely take over the LAX-Hawaii flying. (Indeed, besides the 20 premium-configured JY 75Ls used to Europe/South America, I suspect the newest higher-density FY 757s will probably be used on LAX-Hawaii almost right up until the end - those will probably be some of the last routes to convert over the A321s.)

Quoting YYCspotter (Reply 40):
Could DFW-YYC be a possibility? I seem to recall hearing that the A319s would be used for routes to High and/or Hot airports...

I think DFW-YYC could definitely be a possibility for the A319, as the 737 (at least on both daily flights) seems to proven to be too much for that market. I also think an A319 could definitely be a viable aircraft for 1x daily DFW-YEG, particularly if a merger occurs and DFW begins handling more of the connections that PHX now handles (as PHX now gets 2x daily mainline to YEG).

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
I'd love to see AA resume SJC-JFK and SJC-BOS with the new airplanes, but not sure SJC is much in AA's plans.

I, too, would love to see AA return to the SJC transcon market, but I don't see it happening realistically. First off, that market is a shadow of its former self (as is much of the SJC market in general) compared to when AA dominated SJC transcon in the late 1990s and early 2000s (the heyday of 3-4x daily BOS and JFK with JFK even getting 3-class 762s). I think the best SJC could ever possibly hope for would maybe - maybe - be a 737 to JFK, but with B6 in the market I think even that is a stretch.
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 42):

I think DFW-YYC could definitely be a possibility for the A319, as the 737 (at least on both daily flights) seems to proven to be too much for that market.

Actually, DFW-YYC is all 737 starting April 2.

DFW-YEG is a route that would be good for a 319.
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 42):
Well if by A321 'TCON' you mean the new, ultra-premium 3-class A321, then that seems unrealistic. Those planes are so low-density and so ultra-premium that there are only a very few select markets where they could ever possibly work, with JFK-LAX/SFO being at the top of that very-short list (indeed, in the domestic U.S. today, those two routes may well be the entire list).

I was wondering why there is no mixed service. For example, let's say there are several flights a day from MIA to LAX or BOS-LAX, I was wondering why they wouldn't deploy a 321TCON on some of those frequencies.

The other wondering I have is why they have such different J products between the 321 and 321TCON. I get that they don't want to offer lie-flats on regular 321s. But why not have the same seat with smaller pitch?
 
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:13 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 43):
DFW-YEG is a route that would be good for a 319.

Maybe the A319 could allow AA to open, or resume, some secondary markets from DFW like:

DFW-GEG
DFW-YEG (as mentioned)
DFW-BOI
DFW-SBA
DFW-BFL
DFW-BUR
DFW-LGB (if they got the slots)
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting ytz (Reply 39):
I would love to see a lot more A321s dedicated to TCON service with more destinations. Why only LAX-JFK?

JFK-LAX is just the first route announced. It is also AA's flagship domestic route which will require a dedicated subfleet of A321's.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 43):
Actually, DFW-YYC is all 737 starting April 2.

I was wondering when YYC-DFW would go 738....it must be one of the longest M80 routes now.

Quoting commavia (Reply 42):
as the 737 (at least on both daily flights) seems to proven to be too much for that market.

Are loads low on the AA YYC-DFW route?
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:50 am

How about a few turns down to AUS?  
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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:02 am

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RE: Where Will AA Use A319s?

Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:19 am

Quoting ytz (Reply 44):
I was wondering why there is no mixed service. For example, let's say there are several flights a day from MIA to LAX or BOS-LAX, I was wondering why they wouldn't deploy a 321TCON on some of those frequencies.

Maybe we'll see some on MIALAX. Domestic three class F is staying pretty much because the entertainment industry still has demand for a small, private cabin, from LA to especially NYC, but to a lesser extent Miami, as well. It's a big maybe though - why send an A321 on this busy, domestic trunk route when you can just send 3-class 777s like now? It's very different than JFKLAX, where AA has a ton of competition and is focusing on the high-yield traffic, whereas in MIALAX AA is looking to grab traffic from all market segments.

There is already mixed service on MIALAX, which has 2-3 daily 3-class flights and 5-6 daily 2-class varying through the year. SFOJFK is also mixed service.

[Edited 2013-01-23 17:21:47]
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