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What Happened To This L-1011 TriStar (ABANDONED)

Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:58 am

I was just wondering why this beautiful bird was flown to Kavala, Greece and why it has been left there since 2005....any thoughts?

Abandoned in KVA since 2005
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:32 am

She's waiting for the Langoliers.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yqnj4wmfvQ

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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:00 am

What is the reg. of the plane?
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:16 am

Quoting lollomz (Reply 2):
What is the reg. of the plane?

N102CK
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:17 am

could it be that the groundworkers were on strike when the aircraft arrived and they forgot to opent the doors once they got back to work?  
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
She's waiting for the Langoliers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yqnj...wmfvQ

Nice! I was working at BGR when they were filming this. It was fun trying to board flights and announce flight arrivals when the appearance of an empty and abandoned airport was the focus of the movie. Stephen King is a great guy, very friendly and would stay and chat with us when he came to purchase tickets on a regular basis. I never wanted to know what went through his head at night though. Him and his wife Tabitha do a lot for the city too.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:00 pm

How "airworthy" is she and what's the terms of sale?  
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting n797mx (Reply 6):
How "airworthy" is she and what's the terms of sale?

she has bird nests in all her engines, brakes looked destroyed, i dont think she will ever fly again.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:09 pm

Are there still TriStar's abandoned at Taba Airport in Egypt ? Saw three ( I think ) there about 4 years ago.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):

They were still at TCP just under 2 years ago when I last flew there.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting pilotanthony (Reply 3):
N102CK

According to the FAA N number database - that # was cancelled in Nov 2004 after the aircraft was exported to Greece.

The current N102CK is a T-BIRD II ultralight registered in the Dallas area.

It appears Kitty Hawk Aircargo tried to sell the aircraft/ sold the aircraft - but after arriving in Greece there was no money to keep the aircraft in operation. There are abandoned aircraft at airports all over the world, left there when the owners ran out of money to pay bills or keep the aircraft in flyable condition.

Back in 2009 on a thread on this forum, a fellow mentioned loading/ working on the Kitty Hawk L-1011s early in the 2000s, and said they were in bad shape - "really beat up"

Eventually the airport authority will take ownership of the aircraft for non-payment of fees and sell it for scrap.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
There are abandoned aircraft at airports all over the world, left there when the owners ran out of money to pay bills or keep the aircraft in flyable condition.

Back in the late 70s, when I was working for DL at ORD, I was also in the AF Reserve at ORD. Where I was at was one of the old, black F-86 alert hangars at the south end of the base (anyone remember them?). Parked, just outside our door was the "Naked City" Comet that, I believe, at one time, someone was going to try and restore. It looked pretty beat up and faded at that time. Anyone know what happened with it?



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Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:31 pm

According to the photo's details:

"N102CK (cn 193N-1198) This BEAUTY started her life with British Airways, back in 1980 (G-BHBM). She was then leased by BA to Kuwait Airways in 1992. In 1994 she was sold by BA to American Int Airways where she was converted to a freighter, in 1999 she ended up at Kitty Hawk International and in 2005 Kitty Hawk ran out of money and left this stunning L-1011 abandoned in Kavala Airport, Greece since 2005. It's so sad to see this wonderful aircraft sitting on tarmac for over 7 years now. [Sony a55/18-55mm]"

According to that, it was flown there on a mission, and then they had no $$ to fly her back out.

Also, other forums mentioned about the L-1011's having airworthy issues mentioned here:
The Flying Hospital-L1011 (by michiganatc Nov 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5603958&searchid=5606362&s=hospital#ID5606362

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Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:39 pm

Have just checked and I flew in this baby when it was with BA. Good to see its still around.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 13):
Good to see its still around.

Do you classify "abandoned" as "still around"? If it ever flies again I will be very surprised; sooner or later it will be chopped up to get it out of the way. Jetliners do not tolerate being left untended in a warm, moist climate (which I am assuming it is) for 8 years with no effort whatsoever at preservation. At this point I'm sure it would cost far more to restore it to flyable condition than it is worth.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:22 pm

3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKSawEzzqEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3B-ECSKus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVH4HVNBvR0
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):

3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

Thanks for posting the videos. However, I think it is better off as scrap/spare than getting it ready to fly again.
BTW is Las Vegas Sands still flying their L1011?
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:01 pm

i took the photo, and im the one asking why it was flown there in the first place! I think the Greeks dont know what to do with it, its been there 8 years! should be sold for scraps but you know what the Greeks are like it could be there another 10 years!


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RE: What Happened To This L-1011 TriStar (ABANDONED)

Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):
I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

To put it optimistically, I think a week is a very optimistic estimate.

There have been threads around about returning aircraft from long term storage back to operations which all seemed to take a considerable amount of work even though those aircraft had preparation work done before going into storage. In this case she seems to have been sitting around in the state she was left in back in 2005 which probably makes things worse.

My       is on the scrapper in this case.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting LCYFlyer (Reply 16):
TW is Las Vegas Sands still flying their L1011?

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):
3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

You can hardly tell the airworthiness of an airliner by an external walk-around. You can tell nothing about the engines (unless they are obviously unserviceable), the avionics, the control systems. or whether there is any significant structural corrosion. And before the plane flies, there has to be an economic justification for flying it; unfortunately, there is a reason hardly any L-1011's are still flying-they are not economically viable, as their fuel consumption is much higher than newer planes and all of them are getting quite old, making maintenance much more expensive. It doesn't help that Lockheed is out of the civil aircraft business; it means that they are not going to be all that supportive of operators, adding to the headache and cost of trying to keep one airborne.
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:49 pm

Las Vegas Sands' L-1011 was caught in Thailand floods in 2011 while parked at Don Muang airport. I think the aircraft never flew again due to the damage and was never repaired.


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Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 20):

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.

Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.
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RE: What Happened To This L-1011 TriStar (ABANDONED)

Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting dash500 (Reply 22):
Las Vegas Sands' L-1011 was caught in Thailand floods in 2011 while parked at Don Muang airport. I think the aircraft never flew again due to the damage and was never repaired.
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 23):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 20):

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.

Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.

That really sucks! Got to see that gorgeous bird fly out of LAS in 2009 and 2010and was still graceful!

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Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:12 pm

Love all the videos, don't you just want to give it a great big cuddle     
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:35 pm

If that picture and three youtube videos are basically how that L1011 looks now, its actually in pretty good condition. Sure it would require a lot of work to get this back up and running, but overall that plane looks to be in great condition (cosmetically anyway). Makes me wonder what would happen if they literally hooked power up to it as is and fired things up to see what would happen. It always intrigues me to see complex machinery fired up for the first time or after years and years of being parked/stored.

As for the Sands L1011, thats just said that an aircraft that for the most part just had its wheels submerged would not be flown again. I mean, unless the water was significantly deeper than what we see in that above pic, which I dont think would be even possible, then all I see is the landing gear and tires than got wet. What else am I missing here? What would have made this aircraft a total loss? Surely water could not have been as deep as the fueselage. I see the engines cowlings barely touching some water, but is that really something that would cause an airplane to end its career?

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Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 11):
Parked, just outside our door was the "Naked City" Comet that, I believe, at one time, someone was going to try and restore. It looked pretty beat up and faded at that time. Anyone know what happened with it?

It was scrapped in 1993 by the airport authority. Unfortunately, efforts by volunteers to fix it up and interest by the Smithsonian was not enough to save it. I have a feeling that its location across from the rental car facility entrance did not help either.

EDIT: some info from another a.net post:

Never mind. I found some information:

Delivered January 1960 to Mexicana. Withdrawn from Service - 1970.

Registered N999WA Westernair in June 1974. Redmond Air of Redmond bought the Comet in 1976. It was 'sold' to Dick Drost and was delivered to O'Hare in December that year. The sale collapsed and by 1979 it was declared no longer airworthy.

Plans to restore were considered and for various reasons fell through.

Robt. Hood writes:

'XA-NAS stood derelict at O'Hare from about 1978 through its breakup in 1993.

An attempt was made by members of the local Rotary Club to disassemble the
aircraft for shipment to the Smithsonian in Washington, DC.

Unfortunately, transportation for the disassembled Comet could not be
arranged (for lack of about $45,000) and the ship was broken up for scrap.

A trailer load of parts that had been sent to O'Hare to support that Comet
was later sent to Seattle, where we are using some of them for the Seattle
Museum of Flight's restoration of C/N6424, XA-NAT'

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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:10 pm

I thought Las Vegas Sands have / had 2 TriStar's, the last two built N388LS & N389LS ??
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:17 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 23):
Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.

Assume you are excluding the RAF's. Ii bellieve they still have 9 L-1011s in service.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):

Thanks alot... just spent last 3 hours watching that movie lol

anyone know what 1011 was used for the filming?
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Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 23):
Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.

The best reliable source (sorry only German) is only listing 9 active L1011's with two operators- have a look:

http://www.eucomairlines.de/airlines/aktiv/index.html
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 30):
anyone know what 1011 was used for the filming?

N31018

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Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 27):
I have a feeling that its location across from the rental car facility entrance did not help either.

Oh, yeah....the public could see it from Bessie Coleman Drive and when I was there it said "Naked City" quite clearly on the fuselage.
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:54 am

Please tell the name of the actor who played the pilot!
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:13 am

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 34):
Please tell the name of the actor who played the pilot!

David Morse.
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 32):

I was with my family on vacation in Maine in 1994 and we spent a night at the Marriott overlooking Bangor Airport. They were filming the Langoliers at the time and that plane was sitting on the tarmac. I took a picture of it from our hotel room window, but can't seem to find it. I always wondered what happened to that L-1011.

Being there was a pretty cool experience as I walked around the airport which was a hot set and watched a couple scenes being filmed (Bronson Pinchot).
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Assume you are excluding the RAF's. Ii bellieve they still have 9 L-1011s in service.

You are correct; I meant to say commercial operators. Sorry.   
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:52 pm

I did see that the Stargazer L1011 flew MHV-VCV the other day.
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:10 pm

While we're on abandoned L-1011s, what's the deal with this ex-BWIA TriStar that appears to be in ragged shape, but openly accessible in Trinidad?

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:31 am

Looks like someone is trying to convert it into a dwelling at some point in the future.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:29 am

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 26):
As for the Sands L1011, thats just said that an aircraft that for the most part just had its wheels submerged would not be flown again.

Perhaps if it had been soaking in water long enough the gear had to be changed ? Which leads me to remember this:

I had to look it up since it's been a couple of years ago .... but in 2004 in Amsterdam we had a Luzair Tristar (CS-TMR) abort take-off and blow several tires, the fuse plugs associated with the brakes had also melted. With the damages done to the landing gear it needed a new set of gears. In the 2 weeks or so it sat parked on the cargo ramp i was told by engineers working on her that Luzair apparently had quite some problems finding spares & costs for the spares they were able to get were high.

While not being the same type of damage perhaps the Sands L-1011 also needed a new landing gear & they ran into the same problems ?

As for CS-TMR, she had a host of other problems and languished away for a couple of years until she finally was flown out of Amsterdam, I gather she was stored at VCV shortly thereafter.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:18 pm

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 41):
In the 2 weeks or so it sat parked on the cargo ramp i was told by engineers working on her that Luzair apparently had quite some problems finding spares & costs for the spares they were able to get were high.

I am a little surprised at this; considering that the vast majority of L-1011's have been scrapped I would expect that serviceable landing gear should be available, since they would be one component that most scrappers would save in useable condition. But perhaps since the flying fleet has gotten so small they are no longer keeping them.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 41):
I gather she was stored at VCV shortly thereafter.

And she is still at VCV with engines attached.....
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 42):
Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 41):
In the 2 weeks or so it sat parked on the cargo ramp i was told by engineers working on her that Luzair apparently had quite some problems finding spares & costs for the spares they were able to get were high.

I am a little surprised at this; considering that the vast majority of L-1011's have been scrapped I would expect that serviceable landing gear should be available, since they would be one component that most scrappers would save in useable condition. But perhaps since the flying fleet has gotten so small they are no longer keeping them.

Only 250 of the L-1011's total were ever made; and with some of them being military conversions now, the said militaries might have bought up the markets of spare parts as the USAF did with the old 707's for usable spares for the KC-135's.

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RE: What Happened To This L-1011 TriStar (ABANDONED)

Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Assume you are excluding the RAF's. Ii bellieve they still have 9 L-1011s in service

And don't forget about the Stargazer, the L-1011 that Orbital Sciences uses as the Pegasus rocket launcher.

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