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Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:42 am

We all hear the comment regarding how TK announces a long wishlist of destinations that never materalizes. This year we might see that quashed a bit, with 10 destinations off the list now firmed and open for reservation and more obviously coming soon.

The following is a recap of firmed but yet to start destinations:

IST-KUL from Apr 25
TK060 IST0115 – 1650KUL 343 x257
TK061 KUL2315 – 0535+1IST 343 x257

IST-MLE-CMB (MLE already flown) from Feb 1
TK730 IST0015 – 1100MLE1215 – 1415CMB 330 3
TK730 IST0110 – 1155MLE1310 – 1510CMB 330 x236

TK731 CMB2140 – 2240MLE0010+1 – 0545+1IST 330 x37

IST-DLA-LBV-IST (DLA already flown) from Jan 31
TK591 IST1745 – 2355DLA0055+1 – 0210+1LBV0310+1 – 1130+1IST 739 247

IST-IAH from Apr 1
TK033 IST1305 – 1805IAH 77W x347
TK034 IAH1950 – 1555+1IST 77W x347

IST-SCQ from May 21
TK1319 IST0900 – 1245SCQ 319 257
TK1320 SCQ1350 – 1915IST 319 257

IST-TLL-VNO-IST from Jun 11
TK1355 IST1100 – 1420TLL1520 – 1645VNO1745 – 2010IST 319 246

IST-CND from Jun 7
TK1049 IST1305 – 1415CND 319 357
TK1050 CND1515 – 1625IST 319 357

IST-SZG from May 21
TK1381 IST1215 – 1345SZG 738 x357
TK1382 SZG1445 – 1805IST 738 x357


IST-LUX from Jun 25
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 738 7
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 319 235

TK1354 LUX1245 – 1700IST 738 7
TK1354 LUX1245 – 1700IST 319 235

And there are new flights from SAW to MXP, LGW, AMS, CDG, VIE, each daily.

In addition, there are upped frequencies across the board.

Remaining destinations that TK has expressed intentions to serve:

Luxor
Aswan
Gassim
Rotterdam
Abha
Malta
Asmara
Marseille
Kharkiv
Luanda
Abuja
Kano
Caracas
Mexico
Boston
Havanna
San Francisco
Montreal
Njamena
Juba
Katmandu
Masar-i-Sharif
Friedrichshafen
Lankaran
Bogota
Aqaba
Bamako
Krakow
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:42 am

Oh, and the source is airlineroute.net, before my post gets deleted...
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:44 am

Still no BLR on that list  ...Im still holding out hope!
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 2):
Still no BLR on that list ...Im still holding out hope!

I heard they were trying to get some new Indian points added, but the Indian govt was holding off approval. Evidently, India is seeing TK as another TK/QR and it trying to protect its own carriers.

Incidentally, any confirmation that some of the Jet 777s are going back to TK?
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
Remaining destinations that TK has expressed intentions to serve:

Luxor
Aswan
Gassim
Rotterdam
Abha
Malta
Asmara
Marseille
Kharkiv
Luanda
Abuja
Kano
Caracas
Mexico
Boston
Havanna
San Francisco
Montreal
Njamena
Juba
Katmandu
Masar-i-Sharif
Friedrichshafen
Lankaran
Bogota
Aqaba
Bamako
Krakow

Where is MIA?

A388
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:21 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Where is MIA?

Never formally announced, only rumors / hot air.
 
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Do they have any plans for DTW.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:35 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-MLE-CMB (MLE already flown) from Feb 1

Will they sell flights between MLE and CMB?
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
This year we might see that quashed a bit, with 10 destinations off the list now firmed and open for reservation and more obviously coming soon.

I went to TK's US website and tried to book a flight to TLL in June, and it didn't even recognize TLL as a destination.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Evidently, India is seeing TK as another TK/QR and it trying to protect its own carriers.

Not surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if TK being part of *A also has something to do with it...

It will be interesting. Of the 'regional airlines' that grow quickly, TK will certainly be at the top for growth.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 7):
Will they sell flights between MLE and CMB?

System says:

TK 730 MONDAY 11 FEB 13
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BRD TIME T D/I OFF TIME T D/I FLY/GROUND EQP E
IST 0110 I I MLE 1155 I 7:45/ 1:15 330 E
MLE 1310 I CMB 1510 I 1:30 330 E
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TOTAL FLYING TIME IST - CMB 9:15
TOTAL GROUND TIME IST - CMB 1:15
TOTAL JOURNEY TIME IST - CMB 10:30
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TRC TEXT
A MLECMB NO BOARDING THIS CITY


So no, no sales on the short flight.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:50 pm

TK mentioned ATL as a tag on from IAD but it never happened...
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 12):

AFAIK LO is against TK starting KRK and the current bilateral gives them the power to stall things...
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13):
AFAIK LO is against TK starting KRK and the current bilateral gives them the power to stall things...

Darn, that's bad news. I wonder why would LO block TK's desire to fly to KRK. Do they have a KRK - IST flight?
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:10 pm

Happy to see more confirmed destinations today. 28 left in the wish list.

31.01. Libreville
01.02. Colombo (over Male)
01.04. Houston
25.04. Kuala Lumpur
21.05. Santiago de Compostela
28.05. Salzburg
07.06. Constanta
11.06. Vilnius-Tallinn
25.06. Luxemburg

After these destinations started, TK will fly to 103 countries and 228 destinations.

As I mentioned before in the Turkish Aviation January Topic, the following destinations could be in long-term future on the wish list:

Australia / New Zealand

Melbourne
Sydney
Perth
Auckland


North America

Vancouver
Calgary
San Juan (when Havana will be a success, why not?)
Miami
Seattle
Atlanta
Denver
Philadelphia
Dallas


South America

Rio de Janeiro
Quito
Lima
Santiago de Chile


Asia

Manila
Taipeh
Nagoya
Bandar Seri Begawen
Phnom Penh
Lahore
Peshawar
Bangalore
Hyderabad
Kochi
Chengdu
Shenyang
Xiamen
Xi'an


Africa

Marrakech
Gaborone
Harare
Windhoek
Lusaka
Durban


Europe

Bratislava
Graz
Dubrovnik
Bordeaux
Dresden
Dortmund
Reykjavik
Florence
Verona
Alicante
Seville
Bergen
Gdansk
Katowice
Porto
Novosibirsk
Perm
Samara
Yekaterinburg
Glasgow
Newcastle
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:00 pm

Good luck, TK! You can do it!
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 5):
Never formally announced, only rumors / hot air.

A little more than just rumors and hot air

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11690...irlines-will-boost-us-service.html
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 17):

Thanks for the source. CEO Temel Kotil said that the weakest region of TK is North America. So they would like to boost it in future. Therefore there are Boston and San Francisco on the wish list. I think there will be 2-3 more in the next years.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Where is MIA?
Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 6):

Do they have any plans for DTW.
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 11):

TK mentioned ATL as a tag on from IAD but it never happened...

As we a-nutters know, TK loves to put some "wishlist" years before they actually materialize, or sometimes not. So unless and until, they are loaded in GDS and bookable ... you can't be sure. That's why we, TK fans, are so excited to see when the list gets shorter and new destinations are "officially" announced. 
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):

Not surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if TK being part of *A also has something to do with it...

It will be interesting. Of the 'regional airlines' that grow quickly, TK will certainly be at the top for growth.

Lightsaber

Its not surprising to me either. Hopefully TK does launch BLR sooner than later...but for now their codeshare with AI is probably sufficient for the time being.
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:21 pm

YYC-IST? Now i've seen it all!
 
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:27 pm

At least the TK Japan branch has been stating IST-NGO for several years now and never materialized.

It sounds like IST is completely over its capaity before it can ever materialize.
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:31 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
Not surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if TK being part of *A also has something to do with it...

Doubtful. TK (along with SA) supported AI's *A bid to the very end. TK and AI have already increased the scope of their codeshare agreement twice, and will soon once again (next 3-4 months as per current plans)
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:40 pm

I remember reading some articles that TK was considering flights to Ioannina, Greece (LGIO). Any chance of that happening anytime soon?
 
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Anybody ever think TK will consider MCO?
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:43 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 5):
Never formally announced, only rumors / hot air.

I am also waiting... Solidly on the wish list for now. MIA is not going to be easy for them.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 15):
South America

How about BOG and PTY? BOG as a tag to another city due to elevation. Plus these are *A hubs...
 
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Somewhat related question, but is there any formula as to when the A32S or 737 families are used on certain routes? 319 or 738 I can somewhat understand in specific cases as they are different capacities, but is there any reasons why a 738 be used vs a A320 for example or is it just random?

Quoting leftyboarder (Thread starter):
IST-LUX from Jun 25
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 738 7
TK1353 IST0915 – 1145LUX 319 235

LUX for example is operated by both, why not 319 & 320 or 73G & 738?
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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 27):
Somewhat related question, but is there any formula as to when the A32S or 737 families are used on certain routes? 319 or 738 I can somewhat understand in specific cases as they are different capacities, but is there any reasons why a 738 be used vs a A320 for example or is it just random?

Probably not. I used to fly MAD-IST-MAD quite often, and to me it looked like any narrow body (A319/320 or B73X; they only fly widebodies to Spain for BCN) would operate that route depending on the day or frequency for apparently no other reason. Certainly TK could try to homogenize their fleet (they also seem to fly any other available wide body).
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:29 am

Impressive. TK is now one of only a few of the large network carriers that in their international network (intend to) fly to places that I actually need to look up on a map to find out where they are (Lankaran - didn't know that place even existed!).

How is TK doing financially? It is always excited to see a quality carrier expand to so many places, but can they manage that growth, operationally and financially?
 
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Now I just wait for 777 to ORD. I'd really like to try TK's premium economy product soon.
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):

Doubtful. TK (along with SA) supported AI's *A bid to the very end. TK and AI have already increased the scope of their codeshare agreement twice, and will soon once again (next 3-4 months as per current plans)

Does this mean TK will not add any more destinations in India?
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting Mozart (Reply 29):
How is TK doing financially?

In USD and from 2011 back to 2004:

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Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 15):
As I mentioned before in the Turkish Aviation January Topic, the following destinations could be in long-term future on the wish list:

(...)

South America

Rio de Janeiro
Quito
Lima
Santiago de Chile

Just a note: Brazil's main national hub and the 6th busiest airport of Latin America – Brasilia – is right on TK's way to Santiago de Chile. Furthermore, TK's 332 can operate IST-BSB-IST nonstop.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:40 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 26):
How about BOG and PTY? BOG as a tag to another city due to elevation.

Bogota and Caracas are on the wish list by TK. I think the routing will be IST-BOG-CCS-IST.
After Havana and Mexico started and the LF is good, everything is possible, also PTY, but in long-term future.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 27):
LUX for example is operated by both, why not 319 & 320 or 73G & 738?

I think that will be random.

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 33):
Just a note: Brazil's main national hub and the 6th busiest airport of Latin America – Brasilia – is right on TK's way to Santiago de Chile. Furthermore, TK's 332 can operate IST-BSB-IST nonstop.

It could be. But in my opinion Rio de Janeiro has more chance than Brasilia. A routing IST-GIG-SCL-GIG-IST is possible.

Quoting UA191 (Reply 25):

Anybody ever think TK will consider MCO?

after Boston and San Francisco started, why not? More US destinations will be put on the wish list in future I think.
 
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Congrats to TK!
All this possible with a fleet of around 200 jets and IST busting at seams!
If were to look into the future, say 10 years; TK might have another 30+ Wide Bodies (plus possibly some 380 and 350s), 100+ Narrow Bodies, a brand new airport with 6 runways.....I have no idea how many more routes TK would be flying.
We are talking about a major airline and a major hub then.
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Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 34):
It could be. But in my opinion Rio de Janeiro has more chance than Brasilia. A routing IST-GIG-SCL-GIG-IST is possible.

TK and EK or QR are completely different airlines with distinct hub aspects, and that even explains one operates just 4 weekly flights to Sao Paulo whereas the others operate daily.
Besides that, the logic applied to Sao Paulo is not eligible to rest of the markets in Brazil.
As a result, TK would not succeed if take the same steps of EK and QR in Brazil with the inclusion of Rio de Janeiro.
TK would succeed if bet on Brazil's main national hub as a future Star Alliance hub.
 
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 36):
TK would succeed if bet on Brazil's main national hub as a future Star Alliance hub.

If TK wants to get to a star hub in the area they should do IST-PTY !
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Quoting globalflyer (Reply 11):
TK mentioned ATL as a tag on from IAD but it never happened...

I don't think this is possible as the flight out of IAD is pretty much full most of the time.
 
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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 37):
Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 36):
TK would succeed if bet on Brazil's main national hub as a future Star Alliance hub.

If TK wants to get to a star hub in the area they should do IST-PTY !

BOG will have a far bigger role in the (near) future as a Star Alliance hub in South America than PTY is so TK is much better off serving BOG if they have a long term vision.

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Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
BOG will have a far bigger role in the (near) future as a Star Alliance hub in South America than PTY is so TK is much better off serving BOG if they have a long term vision.

A388

Is there service to CNF, LIR, REC, MAO, COR, POA, TGU and MGA from BOG?

CM serves all of those from PTY while BOG does not.
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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 40):
Is there service to CNF, LIR, REC, MAO, COR, POA, TGU and MGA from BOG?

How important are these destinations? Does CM have a coverage in Brazil just as how AV has through AV Brasil? How do their fleets compare (AV vs. CM)? Does CM have the inflight product that TK would like on the routes they serve throughout South America? AV scores better here too. Does PTY have a bigger local market compared to BOG? Even though both might have smaller markets, it does count as BOG/Colombia is much more attractive due to its much larger local market than can also fill the TK flight.

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Quoting UA191 (Reply 25):

considering MCO? maybe, but in the near future I don't see it happening nor being high on their list. there are more important markets in NA before MCO for TK.
 
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Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
How important are these destinations?

CNF MAO REC POA are second tier Brazilian destinations after GRU/GIG. COR is second tier Argentina. TGU MGA are capital cities.

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
Does CM have a coverage in Brazil just as how AV has through AV Brasil? How do their fleets compare (AV vs. CM)?

You have to fly to GRU (not BOG) to get to any Avianca Brasil destination which TK is already doing.

CM serves more destinations in Brazil with PTY than Avianca with BOG.

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
How do their fleets compare (AV vs. CM)? Does CM have the inflight product that TK would like on the routes they serve throughout South America? AV scores better here too.

If you are on an AV A330 from BOG-GRU that can't be beat by anything CM flies. However who has more problems with IRROPS in their main hub?

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
Does PTY have a bigger local market compared to BOG?

Don't have access to these numbers but BOG would be the bigger local market to IST and to the connections markets IST offers.
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Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Where is MIA?

I believe it's in Florida...........   
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 26):
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 5):
Never formally announced, only rumors / hot air.


I am also waiting... Solidly on the wish list for now. MIA is not going to be easy for them.

It's not going to be high fare goldmine, but filling the plane will be insanely easy. Turkish will return to MIA in due time, and probably sooner rather than later. It has been pretty clear of a desire to return, but like a lot that comes out from Turkish, it is just talk for now.

MIA, SFO, DTW, YUL, BOS and ATL all are logical expansion points.
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:41 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 14):
Darn, that's bad news. I wonder why would LO block TK's desire to fly to KRK. Do they have a KRK - IST flight?

No, LO does not serve KRK-IST. They want to channel people via WAW. Therefore they are blocking TK. They also block TK from switching to A332 on WAW-IST.
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:36 am

Quoting WROORD (Reply 46):
No, LO does not serve KRK-IST. They want to channel people via WAW. Therefore they are blocking TK. They also block TK from switching to A332 on WAW-IST.

and how are they doing this? I mean the blocking...
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:09 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 47):

The current archaic bilateral has given LO a saying in TK operations to Poland... It has to change.
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:15 am

Quoting WROORD (Reply 46):
No, LO does not serve KRK-IST. They want to channel people via WAW. Therefore they are blocking TK. They also block TK from switching to A332 on WAW-IST.

How is this consistent with the the european free trade area. Every company should be able to offer its product and services wherever it wants within this trade area.

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