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The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:01 am

For Australia I would say 1) Singapore Airlines 2) Air New Zealand 3) Emirates. For New Zealand I guess it's Qantas then Emirates?
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:05 am

If you want to be picky, Qantas probably doesn't rank for New Zealand as just about all the trans-Tasman ops are by Jetconnect, a NZ-based company operating ZK-reg 737s in Qantas colours  

Come to think of it, with the amount of flights they operate, that quite possibly means that the biggest 'foreign' carrier operating into Australia might well be 'Qantas' itself!

[Edited 2013-01-25 03:06:36]
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:21 pm

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 1):

I've always figured that the SAM effectively means that there are no foreign carriers in the internal Australia/NZ market.

Ignoring NZ, you're correct by frequency -- SQ (15-16 daily flights) followed by EK (11-12 daily flights) and CX (10-11 daily flights).

I can't be bothered to calculate by capacity, but EK probably nudges SQ out (given that the smallest planes they fly here are pretty similar in capacity to SQ's largest).

You're right about NZ as well -- EK (4 daily flights) followed by SQ (3 daily flights).
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:21 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
For Australia I would say 1) Singapore Airlines 2) Air New Zealand 3) Emirates. For New Zealand I guess it's Qantas then Emirates?


The following may be of interest... (Australian figures)

Chart III - International Passengers by Major Airlines - Year ended June
Top 10 in 2012

QF: 18.1%
SQ: 9.1%
EK: 8.2%
NZ: 8.2%
JQ 8.1%
DJ: 7.6%
CX: 5.2%
MH: 3.9%
TG: 3.3%
D7: 2.4%
Others: 25.9%

Source:
Australian Government - Department of Infrastructure and Transport
Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics (BITRE)
International Airline Activity—Annual Publications
2011-2012
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:01 pm

Into AKL
EK 3 a day A388/A388.77W
SQ 2 a day 77W/77E
CX 2 a day 343
FJ 11 a week 744/73G/73H
CZ Daily 332
CI Daily 333
KE Daily 744/77E - drops to 4 a week low season
LA 6 a week 343
MH 6 a week 77E
TG 4 a week 77E
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:24 pm

Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):

United?

They wouldn't compare to emirates and SQ
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

They haven't served NZ since they pulled out in 2002
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:59 am

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 6):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):


United?

They wouldn't compare to emirates and SQ

What he meant was the airline size. UA is definitely the largest. But we are talking about capacity/frequency flying into Australia/New Zealand.

So what happened to UA's proposed Houston-Auckland? Will they start again some day?
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:18 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):

So what happened to UA's proposed Houston-Auckland? Will they start again some day?

It was a CO proposed route, it got axed as part of the merger.
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:33 am

I thought QF is still the largest foreign airline operating into New Zealand? I thought they have many flights to New Zealand still. They still have domestic flights I guess? Wonder if LAX-AKL will come back (QF is cutting soooooooooooooooooooooooo many international routes).

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
It was a CO proposed route, it got axed as part of the merger.

Why? Will it come back?

I remember UA was planning to another B 747-400 daily flight between LAX and AKL in addition to the daily B 747-400 prior to 9.11
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:22 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
I thought QF is still the largest foreign airline operating into New Zealand? I thought they have many flights to New Zealand still. They still have domestic flights I guess? Wonder if LAX-AKL will come back (QF is cutting soooooooooooooooooooooooo many international routes).

Qantas its self only operates SYD-CHC & SYD-ZQN, all other Tasman services as mentioned above are Jet Connect. Domestic was handed over to Jetstar in 2009
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:30 am

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

Because they only fly into Sydney and Melbourne.
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:39 am

I think SQ, EK, CX, NZ, MH all serve all the mainland capitals with up to 3 and 4 flights a day.
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:42 am

If you where to look at it by Intentional airports served into Aussie, you would find NZ would be come out top.

Current Austrian City's with direct Air New Zealand services
PER (AKL)
ADL (AKL)
MEL (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
SYD (AKL,ROT,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
OOL (AKL,CHC)
BNE (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
MCY (AKL)
CNS (AKL)
NLK (AKL,SYD,BNE)
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:51 am

So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to

They do under their wholly owned subsidiary Jetconnect. Which operates planes painted in QF colours with QF uniforms etc just registered in New Zealand with New Zealand based crew. The flight numbers are QF also. People are just nit-picking on here to say its not QF.
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:48 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 13):
I think SQ, EK, CX, NZ, MH all serve all the mainland capitals with up to 3 and 4 flights a day.

None of them serve DRW (or CBR for that matter).

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to

QF does fly these flights (and all other Tasman flights), it's just under a (wholly owned) subsidiary. No different to SYD-CBR being largely operated by Eastern (also a wholly owned subsidiary).
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:58 pm

I don't consider QF (on nz regos) or NZ as 'foreign' carriers to either Australia or New Zealand. When either airline can fly from any point in either country to any other point within those countries thay are effectively local aircraft.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Why? Will it come back?

I recall they blamed WN wanting international flights ex Hobby, but ultimately I think they had second thoughts. The route was likely not as profitable as the sending the 787 elsewhere.
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
No different to SYD-CBR being largely operated by Eastern (also a wholly owned subsidiary).

I thought Sunstate ran the Q400s SYD-CBR. I thought Jetconnect was offshore cost shifting (ie. lower wage rates for the Kiwis)?
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 14):
Current Austrian City's with direct Air New Zealand services
PER (AKL)
ADL (AKL)
MEL (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
SYD (AKL,ROT,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
OOL (AKL,CHC)
BNE (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
MCY (AKL)
CNS (AKL)
NLK (AKL,SYD,BNE)

I am aware that it is just a typo, but I am afraid that none of these cities are located in Austria!  
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 12):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

Because they only fly into Sydney and Melbourne.

I think he is being tricky. What is the largest airline that flies into Australia, not which airline has the highest capacity to/from Australia? I think he is technically correct, but he's not answering the question that the original poster implied.
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 19):
I thought Sunstate ran the Q400s SYD-CBR. I thought Jetconnect was offshore cost shifting (ie. lower wage rates for the Kiwis)?

It used to be a bit of both, but it's all Eastern now (and has been for a few years). And yes, both examples are just ways to avoid mainline's very high cost base.
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:22 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
None of them serve DRW (or CBR for that matter).

Ahhhhhhh Yes you are right I forgot DRW and CBR   
 
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RE: The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?

Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
Into AKL
EK 3 a day A388/A388.77W
SQ 2 a day 77W/77E
CX 2 a day 343
FJ 11 a week 744/73G/73H
CZ Daily 332
CI Daily 333
KE Daily 744/77E - drops to 4 a week low season
LA 6 a week 343
MH 6 a week 77E
TG 4 a week 77E

And non-Australasian flights into CHC...
EK 1 x daily 77W
SQ 1 x daily 772
FJ 1 x weekly 73W

Quoting QF175 (Reply 3):
(Australian figures)

Chart III - International Passengers by Major Airlines - Year ended June
Top 10 in 2012

QF: 18.1%
SQ: 9.1%
EK: 8.2%
NZ: 8.2%
JQ 8.1%
DJ: 7.6%
CX: 5.2%
MH: 3.9%
TG: 3.3%
D7: 2.4%
Others: 25.9%

Interesting that the combined QF/JQ figure is 26.2% vs the combined NZ/DJ figure of 15.8%.
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