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Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:57 am

There's a rumor floating around on one of the other boards I read -- an urban development forum, of all things -- that Delta is going to resume GRB-ATL service. The post doesn't say when the flights will start operating, just that the official announcement is going to come Monday.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=99608888&postcount=8970

The flights will apparently be operated by EV, with the outbound leaving GRB at 6:00 a.m. and the inbound arriving at 7:05 p.m. It will use flight number 5523. This flight operated in the mid-2000s, but the service ended when DL pulled out of the GRB market in 2008 (at the same time, dropping the Comair-operated CVG flights, as well). Delta gained access to the GRB market once again, through the Northwest merger and has several daily flights to MSP and DTW.

This "announcement," if true, is no surprise to me. My only surprise is that it took this long. This will be a perfect 717 route when those come on-line.

[Edited 2013-01-26 17:00:25]
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting KGRB (Thread starter):
This "announcement," if true, is no surprise to me. My only surprise is that it took this long. This will be a perfect 717 route when those come on-line.

Looks like the route starts June 11 with a CRJ-700. My source is www.delta.com. This should compliment the DTW and MSP flights nicely. You guys have healthy schedules to both of those hubs, so DL is probably chasing some premium O&D to ATL on this one; in addition to streamlining connections to cities only served from ATL. Wouldn't hold my breath for that 717.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:49 am

Good for GRB, its a nice sized terminal but surpsingly they only fly to 3 hubs ORD (AA &UA) MSP (DL) and DTW (DL). CLE service on UA is getting dropped so its nice to see ATL coming back online to give GRB access to a southern tier hub. I wonder if AA would ever reconsider re-starting GRB-DFW? This route was run back in the mid 2000's. GRB is a DL dominated station to ATL should do well.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:55 am

CLE-GRB had good loads..dont know why its gone
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting cle757 (Reply 3):
CLE-GRB had good loads..dont know why its gone

GRB sure has had its share of cuts.......

I do believe that when F9 ran its DEN-GRB seasonal service in the summer of 2010, the l/f was somewhere around 85%. I would guess that F9 found that maybe fares/yields weren't high enough for them to continue service here. GRB even received an SCASD grant a couple of years ago for this, but so far........ nothing has materialized.

I think that at least a seasonal ATL-GRB should be able to work.......

 
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:34 pm

DL already runs ATW-ATL 2x a day and seems to do pretty well on it. The risk for DL here is GRB drawing ATW traffic away. However if there is demand, then both routes can coexist without much trouble.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:31 pm

In addition to GRB-ATL, Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:40 pm

According to delta.com:

Delta 5223 7:05pm ATL 8:12pm GRB Canadair Regional Jet 700
Delta 5523 6:00am GRB 9:07am ATL Canadair Regional Jet 700
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:45 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
In addition to GRB-ATL, Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.

Initial Saturday only service begins in March on the E75.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
In addition to GRB-ATL, Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.


So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:22 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9):
So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!

My thoughts exactly! Seems like an odd one...
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:21 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9):
Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.

So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!

We'll see if MSN-SLC succeeds where MKE-SLC did not when last tried a few years back.

I can see why they are trying MSN-SLC over MKE-SLC, though. Because there's not a ton of local traffic to/from SLC, a good chunk of traffic needs to be connecting to the west.


MKE-west is served with nonstop flights by a low-cost carrier.
MSN-west is served only with connecting flights, mostly by conventional higher-fare airlines.

Flying a passenger MSN-LAS or MSN-LAX via Salt Lake means Delta's costs are largely in line with the competition, and their schedules are competitive.

Flying a passenger MKE-LAS or MKE-LAX via Salt Lake means Delta's costs are higher than the competition, and their schedules are not as competitive versus Southwest nonstops.

So...while I do hope MKE-SLC will come back again someday, I get why they'd see MSN-SLC as a better shot than MKE-SLC.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:05 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9):
So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!

Go figure.... They could even get connecting traffic in MKE if they wanted to.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:30 am

Quoting MKENut (Reply 12):
Go figure.... They could even get connecting traffic in MKE if they wanted to.

Except DL forces all kinds of connections via ATL.

You're right MKE could be a great connection city. Even has a SC. But DL simply doesn't create routes connecting in MKE. You'd think they could.

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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
In addition to GRB-ATL, Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.


So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!

Certain companies have the clout to support routes. Several companies in the MSN area are growing rapidly (IT/biotech) and need more connecting options to the west than the current United Express/Frontier options are able to offer via DEN. I'd imagine the yield on the routes from MSN are more lucrative than MKE as well.

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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 14):
Several companies in the MSN area are growing rapidly

You are right... I was in Madison training for Epic and people from all over the country attend every single week. Most say it is a hassle getting to Madison by plane.
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 14):
I'd imagine the yield on the routes from MSN are more lucrative than MKE as well.

I am not disagreeing, but asking why.

I don't find the prices to MSN to be much different than MKE. Is the cost structure at MKE that high?

FWIW, DL does have good connection options out of MSN (MSP, ATL, and I think DTW).

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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
Wouldn't hold my breath for that 717.

I wouldn't say that. GRB has always had mainline aircraft -- it was once a hub for North Central -- but that has diminished in recent years due to the retirement of the DC-9. This is a perfect opportunity for them to put more mainline lift into GRB again. And besides, the lines for the 717 are already painted onto the ground there.  
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 8):

Initial Saturday only service begins in March on the E75.

That sure is a surprise to me. Is this a Compass-operated flight? I always had the impression that SkyWest was the only game in town in SLC.
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting KGRB (Reply 17):
I wouldn't say that. GRB has always had mainline aircraft -- it was once a hub for North Central -- but that has diminished in recent years due to the retirement of the DC-9. This is a perfect opportunity for them to put more mainline lift into GRB again. And besides, the lines for the 717 are already painted onto the ground there.  

As of today.. you do not have ATL service. So how is a route with no ATL service a perfect route for the 717? How many cities that distance from ATL have one flight per day, and that flight being on a mainline jet? Your best bet for mainline is on one of the two established hub routes you have ( MSP or DTW ).
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting davescj (Reply 16):
I am not disagreeing, but asking why.

I don't find the prices to MSN to be much different than MKE. Is the cost structure at MKE that high?

Dave,

i'm not sure of the source or the parameters of the data used to determine, a corporate travel manager I know mentioned that MSN is one of the top 10 most expensive markets for fares. Unless the legacy carriers are competing on something competing with Frontier (MCO, DCA or west coast destinations via DEN) the fares are quite a bit higher than originating in MKE (in general). Leisure travelers from the MSN area often go to Chicago or MKE to save significantly. Therefore, the airlines enjoy better profit/yield out of MSN. Doing a quick price check the lowest 1-way MSN-ATL versus MKE-ATL (same booking inventory) is about $78 more out of MSN than MKE.

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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:29 pm

Just an update... a few days back, Green Bay's ABC station, WBAY-TV 2 reported on the resumption of GRB-ATL service. Video can be found at this link:

http://www.wbay.com/story/20742061/2...ne-route-coming-to-austin-straubel

The part of the story that I found particularly interesting is that airline leaders came to GRB for the weekend and toured the community before making the decision. That kind of puts to rest all of those rumors about the "Delta dartboard," don't you think?
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting MKENut (Reply 12):
Go figure.... They could even get connecting traffic in MKE if they wanted to.
Quoting davescj (Reply 13):
You're right MKE could be a great connection city. Even has a SC. But DL simply doesn't create routes connecting in MKE. You'd think they could.

What markets out there could DL offer connecting service via MKE that don't already have the same connection via DTW or MSP?
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting aa777lvr (Reply 19):

Wow....I didn't realize the difference was so much.

But then again, I fly out of MEM - which is never cheap either.

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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:07 am

Maybe a little off topic but does DL like to keep connection times really short or just happens to be in this example? Looked at MKE-LAX in March for a morning flight and the two MSP connections were 39 and 35 minutes, ATL was 35 also. A little too close for comfort so they lost a sale,
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:57 pm

The local airport has worked for years to get that lane back. It was tied to many meetings from what I understand but the weekend up here also gave them time to meet with some of the major employers... Including ga pacific.

As far as sources go... They had a HUGE media event for it too as it is designed for local business travelers and will cut out two connection flights for points throughout the south and some international. It leaves GRB in time to hit the entire second bank at ATL and gets back in late evening.

Though ATW is only 25 miles away they are considered vastly different markets and GRB employers often do not consider ATW as an option. I traveled out of here with an employer and in approximately 150 trips we only considered ATW once or twice...and that was for their nonstop to ATL
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 18):
How many cities that distance from ATL have one flight per day, and that flight being on a mainline jet?

For a while ABE did, and though further from ATL there was MHT until very recently and currently PWM has 6x weekly service from ATL on the MD-88. But then again the argument could be made that none worked out for DL.
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 18):
As of today.. you do not have ATL service. So how is a route with no ATL service a perfect route for the 717? How many cities that distance from ATL have one flight per day, and that flight being on a mainline jet? Your best bet for mainline is on one of the two established hub routes you have ( MSP or DTW ).

BTV is starting this summer with a MD-88 to ATL; no CRJ-700/900 service, straight to mainline.

A 717 to GRB is highly unlikely, but not out of the realm of doubt.

Still, I'd expect the first 25 or so 717s to be used on
 
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RE: Rumor: DL To Resume GRB-ATL Service

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 23):

DL does have tight margins via ATL in my mind. The system is set up to allow 39 min connections. I don't think it is wise, IME.

The only time it is "doable" is when you're int he same terminal, usually near one another.

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