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Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:53 am

http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/emirates-japan-466729

Effective 03 JUN EK will start daily DXB - HND flights. At present EK has daily flights to KIX and NRT.

EK 312 DXB - HND 0930 0001+1
EK 313 HND - DXB 0130 0705hrs

Aircraft: B777-200LR

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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:45 am

No news from EK starting ARN so far.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:15 am

Good news, only thing is the schedule?

Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:20 am

Can't imagine this will attract much premium traffic with a schedule like that!
Will be interesting to see how this one performs.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:23 am

The timing is all to do with HND's insistance of all long-haul flights arriving and departing between 2200 - 0700.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:29 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

Is the flight focussed on business to and from Europe anyway? A stop in DXB seems backtracking to me...
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:32 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

It may not be ideal, but there are still many connecting flights (specifically, to Europe, Africa, and the Middle East) that leave DXB 0805*-1030, although most to Europe are before 9am. The 0930 departure to HND will be fed from a growing number of cities. (* Assuming 45 MCT.)

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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

with DXB MCT at 75 mins, first suitable connection would be 820am.

connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

08:20 CDG EK 73
08:25 DOH EK 841
08:25 LCA EK 107
08:25 MUC EK 49
08:25 AMS EK 147
08:25 FRA EK 45
08:30 MCT EK 862
08:30 CPH EK 151
08:35 GRU EK 261
08:40 ZRH EK 87
08:45 ALG EK 757
08:45 DUS EK 55
08:50 CAI EK 927
08:50 CPT EK 770
08:55 GVA EK 89
09:00 HAM EK 59
09:05 MXP EK 93
09:05 PRG EK 139
09:15 LIS EK 191
09:25 NCE EK 77
09:30 FCO EK 97
09:35 DME EK 133
09:40 LHR EK 29
09:50 VCE EK 135
09:55 VIE EK 127
10:00 KWI EK 871
10:05 ATH EK 105
10:15 MRU EK 3703
10:15 JNB EK 763
10:30 ADD EK 723
10:45 DOH EK 851
10:45 NBO EK 719
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
with DXB MCT at 75 mins, first suitable connection would be 820am.

connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Also, for example, 0820 to LGW (EK15).
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Aircraft: B777-200LR

Is the aircraft used in between US flights? It always seems odd for Emirates to operate these flights when they aren't that long haul. From the hot temperatures in HND during the summer, it makes me wonder if they will change to the A343 or A345 in the summer.

Or will NRT and HND and KIX all be upgraded to the A380?
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:19 pm

I think DXB gets a fair bit hotter than HND in summers....but the 77L isn't used exclusively on ULR flights anyway on EK's network so I think HND is a good fit in the 77L's daily runs.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:35 pm

The current B77L routes are

DXB SEA
DXB DFW
DXB GIG EZE
DXB PER
DXB LIS
DXB HAM
DXB GVA (not daily)

as well as some occasional subs.

The B77L for the HND route will be sourced from the PER route, which will go thrice daily B77W.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:22 pm

I presume the 77L is due to the product, which is possibly the closest in EK's fleet to the A380 offering. And that choice makes me think that EK is targeting more about the front, than the back of the bus for this route.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
08:35 GRU EK 261

I wonder if they are chasing this market a bit? Not the most direct route, but not the least either - about 700nm longer than going via LAX.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:40 pm

I guess we didn't see this coming. This is the first city after London that is serviced to different airports with EK, isn't it? I wonder how long it will take to someone ask for a DXB-EWR since it is such a hassle to get from JFK to the West side of Manhattan  
Quoting sw733 (Reply 13):
I wonder if they are chasing this market a bit? Not the most direct route, but not the least either - about 700nm longer than going via LAX.

I am sure they do. Most passengers would avoid transiting through the US at all costs if it is only 700 nm longer for such a long flight. Anyway, it will be more important the transit time and cost. Even if you are Japanese and can do it with a ESTA, you will likely go through Dubai with no passport control, TSA or questions.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:04 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
I guess we didn't see this coming.

Sure we did.

Back in May 2012 Japan and UAE agreed on the following effective June 2013.

Abu Dhabi – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Abu Dhabi – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

Dubai – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Dubai – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

In addition Tokyo Haneda was designated also for cargo service up to 6 times a week, used either between Abu Dhabi or Dubai.


Soon I would look at Etihad to announce its own increased Tokyo service.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
I wonder how long it will take to someone ask for a DXB-EWR since it is such a hassle to get from JFK to the West side of Manhattan

I am very surprised that they have not launched EWR yet. The Indian community in new jersey is HUGE.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 16):
I am very surprised that they have not launched EWR yet. The Indian community in new jersey is HUGE.

Although both are classed as NYC airports, they serve very different markets. It almost makes EWR entirely unrelated to JFK.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Actually I stand corrected. Always had in my head the European connections all left at the same time.
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:02 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Will the NRT flights be kept? In other words NRT and HND for EK?!?


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ps:

Late edit: Yes I saw this:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Dubai – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Dubai – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

With EK fly to both airports? When for 2X/day to NRT?

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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:19 pm

Indeed yes, as per a previous post Tokyo is the second city after London to see EK in two seperate airports. 380 to NRT and 77L to HND.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 19):
Indeed yes, as per a previous post Tokyo is the second city after London to see EK in two seperate airports. 380 to NRT and 77L to HND.

   Thank you. I'm not surprised EK will see the demand, I am a bit at EK's growth without another new city to Europe or Africa. One disadvantage of a 'high connecting hub' is that seats in must be matched with seats out (to a certain tolerance, of course).

This implies decent premium demand from Tokyo, which surprises me. (My brother contracted to Sony and they flew him Y across the Pacific multiple times per year.) So an A380 plus a 77L is quite a few premium seats. Ok, quite a few Y, but that cabin should be easy for EK to fill.

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Actually I stand corrected. Always had in my head the European connections all left at the same time.

Easy mistake to make due to how EK advertises their hub. The reality is that gate and runway congestion have forced a broadening of their hub waves. I particularly enjoy this thread on the DXB hub:

Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Naturally we all defer to HB-IWC's analysis of DXB/EK. Looking at that analysis, this flight arrives HND-DXB at about the mid-point of the 7am to 11am departure wave. (8:20 am onward, as noted actually allows almost 2/3rds of the connections; albeit many do not make sense from a route perspective such as the Americas, SE Asia, and Australia/New Zealand).


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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:59 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if EK have eyes on NGO & FUK as well.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:09 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 21):
Wouldn't surprise me if EK have eyes on NGO & FUK as well.

Used to serve NGO but ceased it - but who knows? They may restart it sometime.

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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Although both are classed as NYC airports, they serve very different markets. It almost makes EWR entirely unrelated to JFK.

Exactly. EWR has a pool of separate O&D to many global markets, including India, which EK should capture. There's a reason EWR is the only market from which U.S. carriers can fly nonstop to India and make enough of a profit to keep the flights while ORD, ATL etc. have been axed.
 
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RE: Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN

Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
, you will likely go through Dubai with no passport control, TSA or questions

Unless its changed recently, you will go through security, with its attendant delays. If not for that a MCT of 60 min would be easy and 45 min not impossible.

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