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DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:39 pm

Here are some of the new or restarted routes that are scheduled to fly for Summer 2013. They can be found at delta.com and/or in the electronic timetable. Some have been previously announced, others are recent additions:

Please add any others that you find:

ATL-GRB daily EV CR7
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7
ATL-TVC Sat-only EV CR9
DTW-YVR Sat-only DL 738
JFK-YVR daily DL 738
SEA-HND daily DL 763ER (pending government approval)

Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

[Edited 2013-01-28 06:18:55]
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:59 pm

So it looks like this will finally start! Very good for DL. Let's hope this works out better for them. I have a feeling it will. Much better feed ( thx to AS) and hopefully the times are a bit better as well. DL is really building up the Northwest!

[Edited 2013-01-28 06:02:54]
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:08 pm

add ANC-ATL daily 757 seasonal service starts 21JUN
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
ATL-TVC Sat-only EV CR9

This one always seems to pop up in the summer time
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

I'm going to venture a guess that it will be seasonal as well, in its own way 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:21 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
This one always seems to pop up in the summer time

ATL-TVC has not operated post-merger, I believe 2008 was the last time it operated.

A good route for summer, and DL has mainline coming back on DTW-TVC, and MSP-TVC, plus CR7s on LGA-TVC this summer.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:27 pm

Don't forget ONT-ATL as discussed in another thread.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Note, most of the routes appear to be seasonal (except for SEA-HND)

I'm going to venture a guess that it will be seasonal as well, in its own way

Hmmmm, and what exactly are you implying?  
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:15 pm

DL restarts ATL-BZN Sat-only on Jun 22 with a 738.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):

Hmmmm, and what exactly are you implying?

It's going to be as great as the last few attempts 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:34 pm

I'm maybe too optimistic. I believe SEA is really going to be the better gateway. It's the shortest distance DL has tried as of yet, AS feed and I believe the VFR factor has more potential due to SEA and the NW in general having a large Japanese population. *fingers crossed*
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:35 pm

While I don't have a source yet, I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:44 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
A good route for summer, and DL has mainline coming back on DTW-TVC, and MSP-TVC, plus CR7s on LGA-TVC this summer.

At one time AA flew LGA-TVC in the summer, too. Does AA still fly the route, or is it DL only now?
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
At one time AA flew LGA-TVC in the summer, too. Does AA still fly the route, or is it DL only now?

AA still flies LGATVC during the summer.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:55 pm

SEA-PVG (763ER) will also be NEW this coming summer.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:05 pm

EWR-CDG starts with a 763ER this summer as well.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:19 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

Yep, saw it at a station briefing.

Anybody have insight to new/restarted international routes? Especially out of JFK?
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:10 pm

is Delta flight JFK-NCE coming back
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:30 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

Great news! It will be interesting to see how this route does considering MKE-SLC came and went a while back...
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:50 pm

JFK-KEF is back again this summer. There is an increase in frequency compared to 2012.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:27 am

They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
Don't forget ONT-ATL as discussed in another thread.

Will this be a daily 738/73H ?

Is JFK-BUD coming back seasonal?
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:41 am

No FLO    ...here's hoping something will come soon to replace when ASA left a while back. We have Piedmont now with five time daily service to CLT, but especially with the new terminal, I am ready to see some changes here!
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:43 am

meh ... thought maybe GSO-MSP would return at some point
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:00 am

Quoting blueman87 (Reply 16):
is Delta flight JFK-NCE coming back

Yes, restarting March 30, 2013.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):
Is JFK-BUD coming back seasonal?

Unfortunately no

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 15):
Anybody have insight to new/restarted international routes? Especially out of JFK?

The only adds JFK will be getting are YVR and YQB (if you consider Canada international), an additional 3x weekly JFK-DUB (for a total of 10x weekly), and an increase of ACC to daily from 4-5x weekly. They are dropping VLC from JFK though.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting MSNfan (Reply 17):
Great news! It will be interesting to see how this route does considering MKE-SLC came and went a while back...

I suspect it will do quite well on the days that Epic employees come/go. On the others, I guess we'll see.

W/O looking, does SLC have a large last/late night bank? Otherwise, it wouldn't seem to connect to much?
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:27 am

What about ATL-VCE? Is it re-starting? What a/c? Last summer season It was a 763, while JFK-VCE became a 764.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting JEKY (Reply 25):
What about ATL-VCE? Is it re-starting? What a/c? Last summer season It was a 763,

ATL-VCE is restarting June 1; will still be a 763.

Quoting JEKY (Reply 25):
while JFK-VCE became a 764.

Any chance to see a 333 instead of their Boeing?

JFK-VCE will continue to be a 764 during summer peak. Until the A333s are reconfigured, the 764 offers a better Business Class product anyway (flat-beds)
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:10 pm

Any news as to JFK-MAN restarting?
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 24):
W/O looking, does SLC have a large last/late night bank? Otherwise, it wouldn't seem to connect to much?

Yes. The new MSN-SLC flight connects very well to the last departure bank of the evening in SLC for flights departing in the 9-10pm. Allows for good connections to places like LAX, SAN, ONT, SJC, SFO, PDX, SEA, SMF, RNO, GEG, and many of the smaller SLC-exclusive outstations.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:40 pm

Excellent. Thanks for that!
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 15):
Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

Yep, saw it at a station briefing.

Any idea on what type of equipment? CR9 I'm guessing since DSM is a maintnance base for the -900's. Over the 750 mile mark for DL to run a CR2 on it. I'm also guessing it would be year around service.

A little history on this route - American Eagle flew it with an ERJ starting in June of 2006. Loads were fairly decent looking at previous discussions on airliners.net from that time. NW then apparently wanted to get in on the action and started it in November of 2007. Then, in Fall of 2010, DL cited poor loads and dropped the route. Eagle also dropped the route at some point.

UA started DSM-EWR 1x daily on May of 2011. UA is up to 2x daily this summer. Not thinking there is room for both DL to LGA and UA to EWR. DSM-EWR is also a route that has come and gone over the years on CO.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 27):
Any news as to JFK-MAN restarting?

It's not. Route was discontinued.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:33 pm

I wonder, if LO pulls out of EWR to do more JFK, wouldn't that be too darey to try EWR-WAW?
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting txkf2010 (Reply 19):
They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.

As I recall, this is also a route that DL used fo fly after they merged with Northeast....it was an old NE route.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 33):
Quoting txkf2010 (Reply 19):
They are (re)starting LGA-BDA also. Northwest did it in 2009 with an A320.

As I recall, this is also a route that DL used fo fly after they merged with Northeast....it was an old NE route.

My mistake......it was BOS-BDA that they inherited from Northeast.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 32):

Likely no. It would maybe be UA trying EWR-WAW, if/when the 787 comes back to life.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:55 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 10):
While I don't have a source yet, I've been told to expect LGA-DSM to start this summer.

I was kind of expecting to see DSM-SLC before DSM-LGA made its return. Right now for western destinations on Delta you have to go up to MSP or backtrack to the east.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 31):
It's not. Route was discontinued.

Seems that DL has stop/started the JFK-MAN route a few times. Presumably, this is in part from the AA-operated flight on the same route and the power of the AA/BA joint venture. Interesting that, from what I've read on here, US' PHL-MAN route does so well but DL can't seem to make JFK-MAN work. Presumably, ATL-MAN handles most of MAN's connections flows well for DL (Florida etc.)
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 37):
Seems that DL has stop/started the JFK-MAN route a few times

They've stopped/started JFK-MAN more times than I can remember! It's not like it was always for seasonal reasons either, there's no consistency to their way of thinking on this route.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:19 am

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 38):

They've stopped/started JFK-MAN more times than I can remember! It's not like it was always for seasonal reasons either, there's no consistency to their way of thinking on this route.

I would think this would be a route that would benefit from the new investment in/joint venture with Virgin Atlantic.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:56 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 32):
I wonder, if LO pulls out of EWR to do more JFK, wouldn't that be too darey to try EWR-WAW?
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 35):
Likely no. It would maybe be UA trying EWR-WAW, if/when the 787 comes back to life.


LO has already consolidated New York operations at JFK since October. I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer. You're right though, maybe they can make it work with the 787.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:59 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 40):
I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer.

A junk yield route like EWRWAW is terrible for a 762. If anything, it needs the 764's capacity to even try to break even.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:33 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

I'm really surprised DL would add this instead of bringing it back to MKE, but hey, good for Madison, good for the state. I'll tell you what - if there were...oh I don't know...a train from downtown Madison straight to MKE I wonder how much more service MKE would have?
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:28 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 40):
I always thought EWR-WAW would have been a good route for CO to put on of their 762s on, at least during the summer.

For CO:
- The 762s CASM is too high for a low yield route like EWR - WAW.
- The Pacific configured 764s would be almost perfect with their 20 classic Business First seats.


For DL:
- The new 76Z configuration could open up more destinations in Eastern Europe that were previously uneconomical with 36 J-class seats on a 76T/76L.
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:28 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 23):
The only adds JFK will be getting are YVR and YQB (if you consider Canada international), an additional 3x weekly JFK-DUB (for a total of 10x weekly), and an increase of ACC to daily from 4-5x weekly. They are dropping VLC from JFK though.


Don't forget.....an additional daily B763 on JFK-AMS, making JFK-AMS 2x daily on DL and 2x daily on KL (codeshare DL), while a 5th daily NYC-AMS departs EWR with the 1x daily DL B763 EWR-AMS.

Beyond AMS, KLM will increase frequency AMS-BUD (from 3x to 4x B737) to accomodate for the withdrawal of DL on JFK-BUD.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:36 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 23):
They are dropping VLC from JFK though.

I'll bet you anything that traffic will spill over to JFK-BCN and make those flights jam-packed and higher yielding.

Can anyone give me a list of the summer 757 Transatlantic destinations that have been lost since summer 2008? I can think of JFK-VLC/LYS, was there ever JFK-EDI/GLA? I wonder about destinations farther afield that might work in summer with any aircraft, such as JFK-ZAG/SKG/LIS/AMM/OSL/HEL/LED/BIO/RAK/BUD, although we all know how hard DL tried with BUD and AMM.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 37):
Interesting that, from what I've read on here, US' PHL-MAN route does so well but DL can't seem to make JFK-MAN work.

I believe this is mainly because Philadelphia has some strong pharmaceutical and cargo traffic to Manchester, UK which has always made this route a strong performer for US.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Also read that BTV-ATL will start on June 7th, one flight a day using MD88. Great to have another hub option from BTV instead of ORD/JFK.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 44):
Beyond AMS, KLM will increase frequency AMS-BUD (from 3x to 4x B737) to accomodate for the withdrawal of DL on JFK-BUD.

This is one route I think DL should attempt as a seasonal only for the time being. Too bad it got the permanent axe taken to it.
 
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RE: DL New/Restarted Routes - Summer 2013

Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 48):
This is one route I think DL should attempt as a seasonal only for the time being. Too bad it got the permanent axe taken to it.

I agree. They cut it after AA started JFK-BUD because there was too much capacity with two airlines, but now that Malev is gone and AA dropped the route it would have a better chance. Still a low yield route though...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
MSN-SLC daily OO CR7

Heck yeah! There is not much westbound service from MSN at the moment. Just MSP and DEN, and to an extent DFW. This flight should get a decent amount of Epic traffic on weekdays.
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