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United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:57 am

Going head to head with AirTran/Southwest, United today applied with the DOT for authority to commence service between Austin Texas and San Jose del Cabo, Mexico.

United informs the DOT that it seeks to offer weekend service utilizing A319 aircraft commencing on or about June 6, 2013. (FL begins its flight June 2nd)


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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:59 am

Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.

[Edited 2013-01-30 17:03:34]
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:00 am

That would be great it the route was CLE-AUS-SJD!
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.

I don't think this is their response. sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL. There are more of those types of routes, like LGA-AUA, and a lot in Micronesia.

Quoting cle757 (Reply 2):
That would be great it the route was CLE-AUS-SJD!

As a sidebar, I think sCO CLE-LAX-HNL/OGG are CLE based crew. Had one on LAX-OGG a few years ago.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:15 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):

Thanks for the correction. I bet their real response will come soon.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:15 am

Might be time for Austin to add more gates.
 
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:19 am

Quoting william (Reply 5):
Might be time for Austin to add more gates.

For sure! It's a great city that has so much potential! And they have the runways and taxiways to support heavy aircraft!
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:55 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):

LAX-Hawaii on sCO 737s was CLE and is now LAX cockpit crews. FAs can come from any base. 757 flying is mixed between IAH and EWR for sCO airplanes.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:55 am

I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:27 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.

But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination

IMHO, this and other future announced routes like this, are UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border, a market UA provides a lot of traffic for, and most likely a money making enterprise considering the big players they are in bed with down in that region. Just my 2 cents
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border

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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.

But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.



My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break). Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).
 
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break).

Spring Break is March though, this route is starting in June.
 
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 13):
Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break).

Spring Break is March though, this route is starting in June.

Yes, I know. I was just giving examples of scenarios that may have lead up to the decision to start the route (especially considering the route is less than daily). Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the start date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.  

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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the state date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.

But both WN & UA are applying for summer seasonal service, so spring breakers still won't be able to take advantage of these flights next year.

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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 15):
Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Yes, I know. I was just giving examples of scenarios that may have lead up to the decision to start the route
 
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:40 pm

I don't how much AUS could be considered an IAH reliever so for UA launch P2P routes from AUS to UA non-hub destinations. But If that was the case, sure they're a couple of destinations which could probably sustain some kind of weekly (weekend) UA service out of AUS: IMHO MEX (or TLC), CUN, BZE, MBJ even UA pal CM PTY hub may prove to be suitable candidates.
Heck, UA should also think MKE is to ORD what AUS is to IAH, so to study flights from MKE to those mentioned above plus to SJD and - given the Central American demographics in L.A. - an ONT-SAL..
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:51 pm

SJD is a Hot Hot Market.. I wouldn't be surprised if either or both airlines went multiple times weekly or daily and year round at some point in the not too distant future.

We are going for our 3rd time in July. That will be 3 visits in 12 months. Every time we go it's fairly crowded and the plane is full.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 pm

There used to be a low-cost Mexican carrier called Viva Aerobus that had flights to Austin, from a few airports in Mexico. But they had their problems, so had to pull out.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
For sure! It's a great city that has so much potential! And they have the runways and taxiways to support heavy aircraft!

They can surely handle big planes, too. A few months ago, there was a UA 747 chartered for a Brazil trip for the Formula One drivers.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 8):
I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.

Not only the former expatriates that have moved, but SEA/AUS are also music and computer capitals.While on this subject, AUS can definitely support a second SEA-AUS trip; Alaska does extremely well with it.How about it, UA??
 
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:00 pm

Less likely this...

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).

And more likely this....

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:25 am

SJD is a very large market right now; lot's of demand. Time shares are selling like their is no tomorrow, they make a deal with you that you can't resist. I know this because we went down with some family and a family member went on one of the tour just to get the free incentive. Now they own 3 weeks down in SJD.

I've flown down to SJD in October for the past two years; and both of the flights have been very full. There is certainly a lot of demand to go there. I just wish UA would have daily non-stop flights from EWR; instead of just Sa/Su. I think part of the problem of Northeast-SJD is that it is a very long trip on the day you leave. You leave your hotel at 10 AM to get to the airport; and don't get home till 4 AM the next day with all the transit.

But honestly; there is no other place in the world like Cabo!
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RE: United Applies For Austin - Cabo

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:21 am

United could make SJD work at least once daily from all its hubs (except maybe Cleveland). Southwest and now Spirit will be going down there. I think they will have a lot of success. Spirit for example is pricing out about half the price of AA from Dallas and that's if you add one carry on and 2 checked bags in the price. I think they will do quite well considering it's on a short 2 hour flight.


Does SJD have any plans on expanding?

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