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DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:56 pm

DL continues to build up their LAX presence even on routes with AS/QX on it. It will be interesting to see if they start adding smaller California destinations in the future.

LAX-SJC will be 4x daily CR7 starting June 10th. It is now viewable on DL's desktop timetable.

LAX-SJC
0830-0945
1210-1325
1630-1745
1945-2100

SJC-LAX
0645-0800
1020-1135
1400-1515
1820-1935


With AA and DL both on this route now, what are the chances AS stays on it? They have some strength on the SJC side but it's certainly no hub.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
With AA and DL both on this route now,

The main gorilla on the route is SWA - with 10-11 flights per day depending on week.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:01 pm

What's going on here? DL starts LAXSEA, AS increases LAXSEA, DL starts ATLANC (a little late for the summer season) and now LAXSJC. I'm not saying, I'm just saying...
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
The main gorilla on the route is SWA - with 10-11 flights per day depending on week.

True to that!!

Recently flew DL (or Skywest) from SMF to LAX. Was intrigued on arrival how T5 was a lot of CRJ7's and not a lot of mainline.

Is DL doing okay at LAX? I'm biased as I work in entertainment industry where everyone is all about American on a one sided route to NY (Sometimes LHR) and then VX and now and then a little United (specifically to Asia-sometimes to EWR/ORD). But NEVER hear anything about Delta, ever.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
DL continues to build up their LAX presence even on routes with AS/QX on it. It will be interesting to see if they start adding smaller California destinations in the future.

I keep saying this in various threads, but no one seems to be taking me seriously. Watch for DL to turn LAX into a HUB (a a la JFK)..all the signs are there.

Right now, everyone thinks it is to feed SYD..

DL wants the cornerstones to be NYC, LAX, MIA, DTW , SEA with two connecting hubs (ATL, SLC) in the middle. I know this plan sounds far fetched, esp MIA but does is not risk adverse. We need to look no further than them getting in the fuel business to see that

Perhaps someone can give us a breakdown of what they now have out of LAX
ATL
DTW
JFK
GUA
SYD
SFO
SEA
SJC
CUN
MEX
LAS
OAK
SLC
FLL
Any more?

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:07 pm

They also just upped LAX-OAK to 5x daily (from 4), LAX-SFO to 12x daily (from 11x), and LAX-SMF to 5x daily (from 4x) starting June 10. LAX-PHX also increased to 5x daily from 4.

Also LAX-LAS remains at 9x daily but will be upgauged to 7x A319 and 2x CR9 (vs the old 4x A319 and 5x CR9).

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
FLL
Any more?

MIA, not FLL.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Perhaps someone can give us a breakdown of what they now have out of LAX
ATL
DTW
JFK
GUA
SYD
SFO
SEA
SJC
CUN
MEX
LAS
OAK
SLC
FLL
Any more?

They don't have MEX; they have GDL instead.

Basically international is:

SYD, NRT, HND,
GUA,
GDL, CUN, and PVR.

Domestic:

HNL, LIH, KOA, OGG, SFO, SJC, OAK, SMF, SEA, LAS, PHX, SLC, SAN, MCI, MSP, DTW, CVG, CMH, JFK, ATL, MEM, BNA, RDU, MCO, TPA, MIA, IND, and MSY

With the latest adds, they should be at about 110-113 flights a day

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Perhaps someone can give us a breakdown of what they now have out of LAX

Mainline
ATL
CUN
CVG
CMH
DTW
GDL
GUA
HNL
IND
OGG
MCI
KOA
LAS
LIH
MEM
MIA
MSP
BNA
JFK
MCO
PVR
RDU
SLC
SYD
TPA
NRT
HNL

Regional
LAS
OAK
PHX
SMF
SLC
SAN
SFO
SEA

And now SJC can be added to the regional list.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 pm

My guess is that AA drops the route. AA already dropped SJC-SNA and SJC-SAN. I'll bet AS/QX stays.

There are now four carriers flying SJC-LAX and one flying SJC-SNA which I thought was always a well traveled route. I'd like to see AS/QX jump into SJC-SNA and give a second carrier on that route. So far, QX has declined SNA slots when they came up though.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
So far, QX has declined SNA slots when they came up though.

I think in part because of SAN and also some other expansions they chose.
With the new terminal, I could see them accepting the slots this time around.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
I keep saying this in various threads, but no one seems to be taking me seriously. Watch for DL to turn LAX into a HUB (a a la JFK)..all the signs are there.

Only if they want to lose a LOT of money.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
My guess is that AA drops the route. AA already dropped SJC-SNA and SJC-SAN. I'll bet AS/QX stays.

AA dropped SJC-SNA because it wasnt part of Corner strategy.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
The main gorilla on the route is SWA - with 10-11 flights per day depending on week.

Very true and obviously UA is on the route as well. I only mentioned those two because they codeshare with AS.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
DL wants the cornerstones to be NYC, LAX, MIA, DTW , SEA with two connecting hubs (ATL, SLC) in the middle.

I hope you just forgot MSP because I don't think it's going anywhere.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
My guess is that AA drops the route. AA already dropped SJC-SNA and SJC-SAN. I'll bet AS/QX stays.

I don't see AA dropping the route. LAX is an AA cornerstone, SNA and SAN were not.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
I don't see AA dropping the route. LAX is an AA cornerstone, SNA and SAN were not.

Yeah, but SJC is not. We know that AA has a disdain for SJC. I still vote that AA is odd-man out if the route can't support 4 carriers.

Does anyone know if QX and DL will code share on each others flights?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Does anyone know if QX and DL will code share on each others flights?

DL already codeshares on the QX flights currently.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Yeah, but SJC is not. We know that AA has a disdain for SJC. I still vote that AA is odd-man out if the route can't support 4 carriers.

An airline that has been successfully flyng the route for 20+ years is the odd man out? Are you kidding me?

AA isn't dropping the route. Would not be surprised to see CR7s come onto it as CR7s likely start moving to LAX when ERJ-175s come into LGA.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
I don't see AA dropping the route. LAX is an AA cornerstone, SNA and SAN were not.

Yeah, but SJC is not.

By that logic AA would only be flying between hubs. AS is one of the most successful airlines in the US for a reason and I think they'll see that they're not going to be able to compete with WN for O&D traffic and there will not be enough flow traffic left for them with both AA and DL on the route. I think AS would be better off shifting the Qs to another route out of SJC.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:53 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 8):

Just for fun I took your list and marked with a star the cities being flown in 1992 by DL/DLConn when the LAX operation was at its peak number of flights of over 200 per day. I used this source.
http://www.departedflights.com/WALAXhub.html

Mainline
* ATL
CUN
* CVG
CMH
DTW
* GDL
GUA
* HNL
IND
* OGG
MCI
KOA
* LAS
LIH
MEM
MIA
MSP
BNA
* JFK
* MCO
* PVR
RDU
* SLC
SYD
* TPA
* NRT
* HNL

Regional
* LAS (was only mainline in 1992)
OAK
* PHX (was mainline in 1992)
* SMF (was mainline in 1992)
* SLC (was only mainline in 1992)
* SAN (was mix of mainline and regional in 1992)
* SFO (was mainline in 1992)
* SEA (was mainline in 1992)
* SJC


Flown in 1992 but currently not being operated:
Mainline
ACA
YYC
DFW
EWR
MZT
MEX
MSY
PDX
RNO
TUS
YVR

Regional
BFL
FAT
IPL
IYK
MRY
ONT
SNA
PMD
PSP
SBP
SBA
SMX
YUM

Interesting to see the change in the LAX operation 20 years later.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
DL wants the cornerstones to be NYC, LAX, MIA, DTW , SEA with two connecting hubs (ATL, SLC) in the middle. I know this plan sounds far fetched, esp MIA but does is not risk adverse. We need to look no further than them getting in the fuel business to see that

MIA? Not a chance. DL gets what they need in the S.E. United States and Latin American from ATL. Trying to muscle in on AA's turf in MIA would be about as stupid as AA doing the same thing in ATL.

Los Angeles is a different animal altogether. It's the second largest metro area and no single airline comes close to dominating it. Delta has been successful in recent years at increasing it as a focus city.

In general DL's hub/focus strategy is coming together quite nicely. SLC, MSP, DTW and ATL are perfectly situated to connect domestic travel. In addition all four are fortress hubs which will keep profits high (especially as SW dismantles what little competition they had from AirTran in ATL).

Internationally JFK's geographical proximity to Europe, SEA's to Asia, LAX to Hawaii/Australia, and to a lesser degree than MIA but still formidable ATL's proxmimty to Latin American for about 80% of the country makes DL a strong international player.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
An airline that has been successfully flyng the route for 20+ years is the odd man out? Are you kidding me?

No I'm not kidding you. AA flew a lot of routes successful that they've dropped. As I've pointed out before, AA has dropped numerous routes that another carrier comes in and operates successfully, especially AS (PDX-ORD, SEA-STL, SJC-OGG, etc). I'll bet NH does well on SJC-NRT. I can think of a lot of 20 year routes that they dropped. I don't see the market sustaining 4 carriers and I'm guessing from past history - especially with AA at SJC - that they'll be the ones to drop.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:40 pm

Quoting klkla (Reply 18):
In general DL's hub/focus strategy is coming together quite nicely. SLC, MSP, DTW and ATL are perfectly situated to connect domestic travel.

I would also add in LGA for domestic. I think DL flies almost 50 percent of the flights out of LGA to many of the airports in the densely populated NE and connects them to the rest of the network.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:41 pm

Glad to see DL restart one of their old routes picked up from Western.   
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:44 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
No I'm not kidding you. AA flew a lot of routes successful that they've dropped. As I've pointed out before, AA has dropped numerous routes that another carrier comes in and operates successfully, especially AS (PDX-ORD, SEA-STL, SJC-OGG, etc).

And? AA doesn't drop routes that are successful for it. The fact that AA drops routes that other airlines may decide to fly instead is irrelevant. LAXSJC works for AA; SJCOGG did not, just like how FLLLAX didn't work for Delta, but it works for AA. Or how SJCAUS became a weak link for AA; and then AS couldn't make it work; but finally Southwest did.

Delta is the weakest link in LAXSJC, not AA nor UA nor AS nor WN.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
I don't see the market sustaining 4 carriers and I'm guessing from past history - especially with AA at SJC - that they'll be the ones to drop.
AA won't be dropping it. And bookmark this post and revisit it two years from now - AA will still be flying LAXSJC.

If anything, SJC only stands to benefit from AA's domestic route focus right now, which will be centering on connecting major AA elite out-stations - which SJC remains - to more of it's hubs, as we see with upcoming LAXRDU and IAHJFK.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:47 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
Very true and obviously UA is on the route as well. I only mentioned those two because they codeshare with AS.

AS code-share with WN and UA? Not in a MILLION years.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:50 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):
Flown in 1992 but currently not being operated:
Mainline
MSY

Delta has between 1-2x/day nonstop service on LAX-MSY. Mixture (depending on the day of week) of A319/A320/737-800 equipment.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:50 pm

With DL adding the SJC-LAX market, I would be surprised if AS/QX will stay in that market and give the AS passengers to DL. Maybe they'll add that QX resource to their SAN build-up and add frequency to their current QX destinations from SAN. Just my 2 cents.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:51 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 23):
AS code-share with WN and UA? Not in a MILLION years.

FL787 was referencing AA and DL, the two carriers he mentioned operating LAX-SJC in the OP. AS most certainly codeshares with both of them.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 7):
With the latest adds, they should be at about 110-113 flights a day

Seems like T5 is reasonably busy these days. Nice job that they held onto it during bankruptcy.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):
Just for fun I took your list and marked with a star the cities being flown in 1992 by DL/DLConn when the LAX operation was at its peak number of flights of over 200 per day.

Do you know which terminals were in use by Delta at the time?

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:51 am

DL seems once again committed to build up LAX. With their 49% stake in VS we might even see LAX-LHR on DL metal.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:53 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Watch for DL to turn LAX into a HUB (a a la JFK)..all the signs are there.

I don't know--they're #4 at LAX, which is a tough place to be, especially when AA/UA/WN are unlikely to go anywhere.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:56 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):
Flown in 1992 but currently not being operated:
Mainline
ACA
YYC
DFW
EWR
MZT
MEX
MSY
PDX
RNO
TUS
YVR

MSY has been flown nonstop by DL since '07 or '08. Seasonally it's 2X daily and it's 1X daily year-round. The morning LAX-MSY is very popular with the Hollywood crowd.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:06 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 28):
DL seems once again committed to build up LAX. With their 49% stake in VS we might even see LAX-LHR on DL metal.

No, that will never happen in a million years unless something happened to VS. That route is already saturated (much like LA to Tokyo is), why DL would ADD an additional 200+ seats on top of the code share with VS and burn yields more is beyond me.

I see this speculation a lot-i.e. DL adding its own metal where VS already competes (or vice versa). Not sure the rational or what the thinking is when people suggest this. DL is using VS for the routes that VS already has the traffic but that DL would fail to do well if it then entered itself, suck as LHR to LAX or LHR to SFO, etc.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:14 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 28):
With their 49% stake in VS we might even see LAX-LHR on DL metal.

No. The entire point of the JBA is to use the Virgin brand in markets where Delta otherwise would never succeed/has already failed (i.e. LHRMIA, LHRLAX).
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:36 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 32):
No. The entire point of the JBA is to use the Virgin brand in markets where Delta otherwise would never succeed/has already failed (i.e. LHRMIA, LHRLAX).

Agree - the only markets I can see that VS flies where DL might take over some of the flying are BOS/JFK/EWR. Can't really see anywhere else.

With VS also having Premium Economy, there is significant demand for that product, especially out of LAX/SFO/MIA. All the more reason to keep VS on those routes, as Premium Economy is a separate cabin vs. the extra legroom/recline but that's it of Delta's Economy Comfort.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:52 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):

The same can be said of AA and NYC, smaller then UA and DL but its not stopping them from expanding and competing. LA is large like NYC and if DL can serve the important markets just like AA does out of NYC they should be able to stay competitive with the rest of the crowd. I believe LA is large enough for all 4 airlines AA, UA, WN, and DL.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 32):
No. The entire point of the JBA is to use the Virgin brand in markets where Delta otherwise would never succeed/has already failed (i.e. LHRMIA, LHRLAX).

Really? This was the ENTIRE point? How long ago did DL fly LHR-LAX? I don't remember DL failing on that route any time in recent history.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:33 am

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
DL continues to build up their LAX presence even on routes with AS/QX on it. It will be interesting to see if they start adding smaller California destinations in the future.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
The main gorilla on the route is SWA - with 10-11 flights per day depending on week.

For far too long they have been losing money flying RJs against WN on the East Coast. It's time to expand that money losing strategy to the West Coast.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:36 am

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 31):
No, that will never happen in a million years unless something happened to VS. That route is already saturated (much like LA to Tokyo is), why DL would ADD an additional 200+ seats on top of the code share with VS and burn yields more is beyond me.

What I mean is that DL could operate on of the daily flights on its own metal while VS operates the other one, not adding more capacity.

If DL is committed to make Los Angeles a hub they have to expand into international key markets, such as London. They already have SYD and NRT. LHR is the next natural international destination.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 33):
With VS also having Premium Economy, there is significant demand for that product, especially out of LAX/SFO/MIA. All the more reason to keep VS on those routes, as Premium Economy is a separate cabin vs. the extra legroom/recline but that's it of Delta's Economy Comfort.

Same thing can be said BA/AA, yet AA operates a single daily flight without any premium economy!
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:37 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
I don't know--they're #4 at LAX, which is a tough place to be, especially when AA/UA/WN are unlikely to go anywhere.

Not in terms of revenue. In fact, the AA, UA and DL are only separated by low single digits in terms of revenue share. Its a HUGE market. There is plenty of room for all three network carriers.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:50 am

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 24):
Delta has between 1-2x/day nonstop service on LAX-MSY. Mixture (depending on the day of week) of A319/A320/737-800 equipment.
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 30):
MSY has been flown nonstop by DL since '07 or '08. Seasonally it's 2X daily and it's 1X daily year-round. The morning LAX-MSY is very popular with the Hollywood crowd.

Thanks, I just used Alasizon's list from reply #8 without checking current schedules.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 27):
Do you know which terminals were in use by Delta at the time?

T5 and T6.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
My guess is that AA drops the route.

Uh.. no

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Yeah, but SJC is not.

uh hub(LAX)-Spoke(SJC)

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
Does anyone know if QX and DL will code share on each others flights?

DL has its code on QX, no telling if QX will codeshare on the DL side.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
We know that AA has a disdain for SJC.

How? because they cut back the hub?

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):

AA isn't dropping the route. Would not be surprised to see CR7s come onto it as CR7s likely start moving to LAX when ERJ-175s come into LGA.

IIRC MQ already runs a CR7 (or two) to SJC from LAX.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):
MSY

Delta has 2x most days on LAX-MSY(319/320 mix)

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
No I'm not kidding you. AA flew a lot of routes successful that they've dropped. As I've pointed out before, AA has dropped numerous routes that another carrier comes in and operates successfully, especially AS (PDX-ORD, SEA-STL, SJC-OGG, etc). I'll bet NH does well on SJC-NRT. I can think of a lot of 20 year routes that they dropped. I don't see the market sustaining 4 carriers and I'm guessing from past history - especially with AA at SJC - that they'll be the ones to drop.

Other than PDX-ORD what is one key factor you are leaving out?

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):

And? AA doesn't drop routes that are successful for it. The fact that AA drops routes that other airlines may decide to fly instead is irrelevant. LAXSJC works for AA; SJCOGG did not, just like how FLLLAX didn't work for Delta, but it works for AA. Or how SJCAUS became a weak link for AA; and then AS couldn't make it work; but finally Southwest did.

This.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 27):
Do you know which terminals were in use by Delta at the time?

T5 and T6

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):
I don't know--they're #4 at LAX, which is a tough place to be, especially when AA/UA/WN are unlikely to go anywhere.

4 in what? Last numbers I saw was DL was less than 1% smaller than WN in market share without adding in any DCI flights. Total flights DL is going to be very close to WN....who i think is right around 110 flights a day...

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 32):

No. The entire point of the JBA is to use the Virgin brand in markets where Delta otherwise would never succeed/has already failed (i.e. LHRMIA, LHRLAX).

uh. two things,
1) Delta has never flown LAX-LHR. As much as you want the AF failure to be Delta's fail its not.
2) you have no idea what DL/VS will do as far as routes. SEA-LHR will come first, but I'd be willing to bet LAX-LHR is going to happen on Delta metal.

Quoting klkla (Reply 35):
Really? This was the ENTIRE point? How long ago did DL fly LHR-LAX? I don't remember DL failing on that route any time in recent history.

Never.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:12 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 40):
Other than PDX-ORD what is one key factor you are leaving out?

Uh let's see. I can think of two. Smaller airplanes and not part of a cornerstone. Did I guess correctly?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:20 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):

Uh let's see. I can think of two. Smaller airplanes and not part of a cornerstone. Did I guess correctly?

nope you got it.

So basically you want AA to try to be like Southwest? p2p? or do you just care about SJC and have an ax to grind?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 40):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 17):MSY
Delta has 2x most days on LAX-MSY(319/320 mix)

See my comment just above your post.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 25):
I would be surprised if AS/QX will stay in that market and give the AS passengers to DL.


Maybe not. Keep in mind that 1 of the 3 QX SJC-LAX flights originates in RNO, the second in BOI, and both carry a significant amount of online thru passengers. Both are AM departures are consistently full and carry quite a bit of AS connecting traffic to Mexico as well. I could see the evening SJC-LAX flight going away as most of it connects to DL red eyes going east out of LAX.

What I believe would be ideal would be for AS to have their LAX-MEX flight originate in SJC in the early morning, and return through LAX in the evening.   

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:35 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 44):
What I believe would be ideal would be for AS to have their LAX-MEX flight originate in SJC in the early morning, and return through LAX in the evening.

I'd love to see this and other creative ideas. AS flew BOI-LAX years ago...maybe a tie-in via SJC and on to GDL, SJD, MEX, etc out of LAX would be what it takes for BOI-LAX to return. WN has been so successful at these multi-leg, direct flights. I never understood why more airlines don't go back to that. Same-plane, direct is sure better than having to change planes in a hub.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:37 am

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 38):
Not in terms of revenue. In fact, the AA, UA and DL are only separated by low single digits in terms of revenue share. Its a HUGE market. There is plenty of room for all three network carriers.

The revenue data you continue to cite is incomplete and does not include international. It's of no real value, but you already knew that.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 40):

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 32):

No. The entire point of the JBA is to use the Virgin brand in markets where Delta otherwise would never succeed/has already failed (i.e. LHRMIA, LHRLAX).

uh. two things,
1) Delta has never flown LAX-LHR. As much as you want the AF failure to be Delta's fail its not.
2) you have no idea what DL/VS will do as far as routes. SEA-LHR will come first, but I'd be willing to bet LAX-LHR is going to happen on Delta metal.

Uh. Reading comprehension. If Delta wants to bleed even more money the MIALHR and BOSLHR, I'm sure LAXLHR will be a great strategy for them.

Quoting klkla (Reply 35):
Really? This was the ENTIRE point? How long ago did DL fly LHR-LAX? I don't remember DL failing on that route any time in recent history.

Again. Reading compression.

And yes, that's the point. DL would never succeed on LAXLHR. It knows that. It also probably knows that in the late 1990s VS successfully convinced a large number of entertainment companies in LA to carve out LAXLHR for itself, even when they were aligned with other carriers, which continues today. That lucrative traffic wants a VS plane. Just for that little fact alone, it makes no sense to use DL metal on LAXLHR.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:45 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 46):

Uh. Reading comprehension. If Delta wants to bleed even more money the MIALHR and BOSLHR, I'm sure LAXLHR will be a great strategy for them.

Wow, I would say something but I'm not going to take a ban, talk to yourself on the reading comprehension.

You said DL flew LAX-LHR and it failed....prove it.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 46):

And yes, that's the point. DL would never succeed on LAXLHR. It knows that. It also probably knows that in the late 1990s VS successfully convinced a large number of entertainment companies in LA to carve out LAXLHR for itself, even when they were aligned with other carriers, which continues today. That lucrative traffic wants a VS plane. Just for that little fact alone, it makes no sense to use DL metal on LAXLHR.

Who said Delta would replace VS?


and how do you know, as a fact, Delta could never make it work? Give me a break dude. (oh, speaking of LAX, didn't you tell me 2? years ago all the new flying, manly LAX-RDU/CMH would be gone? goo call on that.) Like it or not Delta is growing in LA and they are here to stay.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:07 am

Is it the same e/q on the flights or are they using multiple planes? Assuming everything runs on time, the schedule could work with one plane.

I do not think this will do well because of the WN presence. I do think, however, it will be able to survive because of the frequent fliers who will take that flight up or down the coast rather than flying on WN.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-SJC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
DL wants the cornerstones to be NYC, LAX, MIA, DTW , SEA with two connecting hubs (ATL, SLC) in the middle.

I hope you just forgot MSP because I don't think it's going anywhere.

I agree, MSP has a good location and is said to be DL's 2nd most profitable hub.

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