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As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:49 am

According to the article out of Israel below dated 1/13, Air France / KLM is pulling out of Tehran. The article goes on to suggest that LH is to be the only remaining EU carrier servicing Iran going forward. Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier? The last time I checked, TK is still servicing IST-Tehran daily on an A330. How long ago did BA pull their LHR service?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164124#.UQs4wvIqwwp
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:55 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?

Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier, of course.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:56 am

Also, it looks like Alitalia is also still running Rome - Tehran on an A321 along with Aeroflot's Moscow - Tehran A320 service, although the later is consider to be an E. European carrier.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:36 am

TK serves 6 cities in Iran and does booming business.

Tehran alone is 4x daily, going to 5 at the end of March.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:25 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
TK serves 6 cities in Iran and does booming business.

Tehran alone is 4x daily, going to 5 at the end of March.

Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:42 am

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 1):
Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier, of course.

The article talks about the only "Western-European airline":

"However, the move means that once the airline stops its flights to Iran, there will be only one other Western-European airline, the German-based Lufthansa"
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:52 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

One would think, and I was planning to fly TK on my next family visit. The connection time in IST is terrible. The layover is around 9 hours for some of the connecting flights.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:26 am

Turkey is a NATO country, but only a candidate for the EU.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:20 pm

Don't forget that Pegasus also serves IKA via SAW. Last I checked, their prices were very reasonable.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
How long ago did BA pull their LHR service?

The last scheduled BA/BD flight LHR-EVN-IKA (BD931) departed LHR on 12 October last. It was scheduled to operate the last BA/BD IKA-EVN-LHR flight (BD932) on 13 October. However the aircraft, 321 G-MEDF, went tech at IKA . As a result it was rerouted and operated IKA-TBS-LHR (BD932) on 14 October.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

Except for the many Persian Armenians in the LA area. Given historical events, many of them would rather walk than fly Turkish.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:23 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 1):
Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier,

Question asked, question answered.

Quoting ADent (Reply 7):
Turkey is a NATO country, but only a candidate for the EU.

Thanks for the geopolitical update
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:42 pm

Let's hope LH stay with it. Iran is a beautiful country with great cultural treasures. I have always found the Iranian people very kind, friendly and welcoming to their overseas visitors.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:29 am

BA doesnt oprate iran at LHR, it only Iran Air servising IKA-LHR-IKA. and as of Turkish I dont think they will pull out even though they are european or not. However they have operated 773s as well as 737s, i know for sure that Turkish 737 operate IST-MHD and IKA as well (i think)

As for European carriers Aitalia i think still operate to IKA. but for its good to see LH still in operation for IKA.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran.

Current schedule.

IST-IKA - 28x week - Mix A321/A330
IST-TBZ - 7x weekly - A321
IST-MHD - 5x weekly - A320
IST-SYZ - 5x weekly - A319
IST-IFN - 3x weekly - B738
IST-KSH - 2x weekly - B738
ESB-IKA - 5x week - B738

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

  

As posted in one of the Turkish aviation threads a few months back, Tehran was the largest beyond market from LAX for TK.

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 10):
Except for the many Persian Armenians in the LA area. Given historical events, many of them would rather walk than fly Turkish.

Hardly and issue for most. TK carries Armenians of all nationalities everyday whether to Iran, Lebanon, France or wherever.
When down in the LA jewelry district all my Armenian friends sing the praises of TK while sitting and eating at Turkish restaurants.

No need to mix 100-year old historical drama with modern day travel and commerce activity for most.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:42 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
No need to mix 100-year old historical drama with modern day travel and commerce activity for most.

Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:06 am

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.

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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:18 am

Well I don't pretend to know the US Armenian community, but most Armenians in France (and they're like 1% of the French population) are here because of the genocide, so it's not just history to them. And to Turkey either, considering what happens when you bring it up.
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:55 am

I remember flying to Iran over two summers when I was a kid.

The first time we flew LH through ORD-FRA-THR, but I can only remember the aircraft type on the return which was a newish A310 that was almost completely empty.

Second time we flew Swissair ORD-ZRH-THR. I remember the ZRH-ORD return leg only, it was a 747-300.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.

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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:59 pm

It now looks like LH is going to continue with its down-guage of FRA-TEH to an A340 into this Summer.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...s-iran-capacity-reductions-in-s13/

Lufthansa Continues Iran Capacity Reductions in S13
Posted 04 February 2013 06:12
Update at 0540GMT 04FEB13

Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

LH600 FRA1750 – 0115+1IKA 343 D
LH601 IKA0305 – 0600FRA 343 D
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
Lufthansa Continues Iran Capacity Reductions in S13
Posted 04 February 2013 06:12
Update at 0540GMT 04FEB13

Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

LH600 FRA1750 – 0115+1IKA 343 D
LH601 IKA0305 – 0600FRA 343 D

as far as I know the selection of 744 or now 343 is because of the fueling problem. all the flights have return fuel onboard. I'm wondering whether the 333 would be able to do that trip back and forth? seems like the most economical choice out of the 3. also, I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR flight since the backbone of the FRA-THR flight is connex traffic ex USA (and particularly LA as mentioned) and EU nations of all kind (especially Scandinavia and UK).
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 20):
also, I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR flight since the backbone of the FRA-THR flight is connex traffic ex USA (and particularly LA as mentioned) and EU nations of all kind (especially Scandinavia and UK).

Why? LH has a stronger network out of FRA than MUC.
 
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:24 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 20):
I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR fligh

LH did have a MUC-IKA flight a few summers ago.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
down-guage of FRA-TEH to an A340 into this Summer.

The correct city code is THR
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RE: As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 12):
Let's hope LH stay with it. Iran is a beautiful country with great cultural treasures. I have always found the Iranian people very kind, friendly and welcoming to their overseas visitors.

  
Nothing to add.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

Wait a moment, this route is far older than Jan'13! But to be honest, I failed to realize they upgauged to 744 in the first place. Last time I had a look at this flight was S11 and back then I'm sure it was an A343.
Anyhow, I think with AF/KL out of the game, this is a real winner for LH. The American-Persian and European-Persian community is huge and, for what I can tell from very close friendships with oversea-Persians, very wealthy. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until LH will deploy a more premium-heavy airplane on this flight.
And concerning the fuel-stop matter. Well, if Iran realizes that Germany is now the most convenient gateway to America (*) they cannot play hardball for too long.

(*) I cannot remember IR or W5 having codeshare agreements ex their various European destinations to the US/Canada.
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