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DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:20 pm

Good luck to all those who applied!

"By Mary Jane Credeur
Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. has received
44,000 applications for 400 flight-attendant positions,
showcasing demand for jobs with the U.S. unemployment rate mired
near 8 percent."

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...YHQ0X01-30ABJ9EAE1G2EMA695PMJ24QPU
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RE: DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:52 pm

And this is shocking because.........   

Having recruited before....I can assure you that about 20% do not meet the basic qualifications. Then the selection process will weed out candidates on the phone interview. What always intrigues me is how many people make it to the mass invite interviews and have no idea about the nature of the job. Many think that pay per hr is based on a 40 hr week, not block or guarntee. Allot of candidates, especially from So. Cal., think they will get LAX right out of training or at worst be there within a year. They look at you with disbelief when we say you WILL be missing birthdays, weddings, holidays, anniversaries,the kids play, etc. for the first 5 to 7 years of your career. After we cover the nitty gritty of pay, scheduling and how to use public transportation in NYC I have seen half the room thank us for the invite and ask for the next flight home.

I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol. I'm just saying don't be discouraged by the lottery winning odds in the article, there are other forces at play here.

[Edited 2013-02-01 08:57:25]
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:26 pm

I don't work in in flight but as with most airline jobs you can always find one if you're willing to work, BUT to work where you want to LIVE?? That's a problem. Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .
It's NOT always this bad but every 3-4 years I miss EVERY doggone Holiday and my wife puts up with it.
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RE: DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:41 pm

I actually helped out with the flight attendant hiring process at my previous airline...was part of the 'cattle call' a couple of times. VERY eye-opening....it made me see all the mistakes I had made in my failed interviews.

And I got SO tired of hearing "I love people and I love travel"
 
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RE: DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:30 pm

Given the skillset required and the compensation, a mainline flight attendant is a pretty good gig. Probably one of the best out there; that's why the ratio of applicants to jobs is 100+:1
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RE: DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
and how to use public transportation in NYC

I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!?  Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".
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RE: DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds

Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!? Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

I think they are talking about using public transportation in NYC if you are domiciled/based there. EWR & JFK are usually very junior bases.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

Wait just a minute..... You mean.... some people actually get holidays off?????   

Wow. Who knew?
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:51 pm

The daughter of a lady my wife works with just got an FA job with a regional. Not sure which one (my wife didn't remember the name), but the daughter was asked where she wanted to be based: IAH, ORD, or somewhere else (can't remember the third one). She chose ORD, which was probably smart; she said almost everyone else wanted IAH, not surprising. She's got a route and starts Monday. I'll try to find out more.
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:58 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

On the flip side, you also get far more days off work than someone who works a normal 40hr 5x/week job. Albeit your "on" days are longer.
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:05 pm

Strato...I know a few senior DL f/as who earn in the 60-70k range. yeah they make more than their European counterparts. Plus the benefits are better too (with DL at least)
 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

HAHAHA...not the layover hotel (if they could get away with it, it would happen)...im talking BASE.

There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training. I even saw this denial during initial training before base assignments were made towards the end. People were shocked and angry when they got sent to places like NY/DC/CHI/PHL. While it MAY happen, its more of a long shot than the 1-110 hiring odds.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:24 am

I am certain that there is a higher than normal number of applicants because there has been little FA hiring since 9/11. Those that want to become a FA with a major airline have had to wait for over a decade. Some of the applicants may be FAs on regionals or on furlough from a major that is not hiring.

While demand is picking up, the leading edge of the baby boomers are starting to retire, so some FA jobs are finally opening. Not all FAs work until they are 84.

I have heard complaints that in boom times airlines would hire anyone with a pulse because there were not enough people available at the bases where they were needed and many would quit soon afterward because they were not really qualified in the first place. Now, because of the pent up interest, the airlines can be picky about their hires. I will be interested to see if that translates into better in flight service. If nothing else we may start to see some FAs that have not been beaten down by the job over the years.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:26 am

I missed thanksgiving, Christmas, New years, and nearly my wife's birthday on this deployment alone. I think I could handle a few missed holidays as long as I knew I would be home within a few days of it when my trip sequence was over. There are certainly worse things than being a flight attendant!
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".

The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:00 am

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

Some airlines (such as Delta) don't even have reserve - these new hires will be flying a line from the beginning, albeit with (most likely; not sure about the LOD FAs) six A-Days a month, which are similar to sitting reserve. Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

My guess is if you're not a language speaker, you'll start in BOS or NYC. A good friend of mine was hired in the 2011 class and was sent to BOS to start; after about 6-8 months she was able to transfer down to Atlanta. That being said, many of the more "deluxe" bases won't be within reach for many of these new FAs for years - after the DL/NW integration, I had quite a few friends (mostly '07 hires) trying to get into Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle, Salt Lake, etc. and were not even close to the cutoff of making it to those bases.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:06 am

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!

Your words, not mine.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):
Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

That may be true, but direct from DL.com:

http://www.deltajobs.net/flight_attendants.htm

"While specific positions will have unique requirements (see individual job descriptions), you must possess at least a H.S. diploma/GED equivalent, be at least 18 years of age, and possess current authorization to work in the U.S. to work at Delta."

The actual FA job reqs reflect the same, although some college is preferred.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 17):
Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

Even better!
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

Granted I'm more knowledgeable with Northwest hiring in 2007 since that's how most of my friends got hired (so slightly different twist to now), but I think only one of them had a college degree at the time. One has gone back and got her associates, but the rest just have some college experience.

My friend in 2011 does have her bachelor's degree though.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:38 am

The minimum is HS diploma...however ever since the last hiring, unless you were language qualified, very very few without a degree got hired. Times are a changing.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:49 am

Internally here at DL I heard that the number of open positions was anywhere from 280-500. I know at least 10 coworkers in my department who applied, and only 3 of us have not been rejected (yet). If the internal rejection rate is that high, I can't imagine how many external applicants aren't even making it to the interview stage.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:02 pm

I was rejected as well, I think its because I'm a former employee.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol

Not sure why anyone would want to be cabin crew. A flight attendant can look forward to spending lots of time away from home, non-competitive salaries, high amounts of stress in an adversarial customer service environment, cyclic furloughs or layoffs every 3-5 years. Asian and Middle Eastern carriers have better practices surrounding this sort of job. Start working as cabin crew in your early 20's as a wide-eyed naive young'in... then when jaded sensibilities replace optimistic outlooks by your late 20's, move on to a career more suitable for an adult wanting to start a family.

This is not so much a career as it is an 'alternative lifestyle'. You gotta really love it otherwise there are plenty of other professions that have better hours, pay and stability that demand the same basic skill sets.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:36 pm

I have a ton of friends who have applied there now and in the past. They seem to only take a small section of regional FAs. Judging from the FAs on my last 2 flights. They need a better hiring system.

Flight 1- Flight Leader was working the back. Never bothered to brief the exit row. Stopped in the first row of the exit row to hit on the lady sitting there and ask find out her plans once we landed.

Flight 2- FC FA was talking loudly on the phone in the galley while making drinks during boarding. Apparently, he's gonna "holla at you when I gets back to ATL"
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:59 pm

How is this different than any other job out there? Everything is competitive and people who don' t investigate the actual job and see what the pitfalls of the position they are applying for are may be disappointed no doubt. I was a hiring manager in the past and believe me, you get all types coming into the initial interview and you need to dispel any myths that they may have heard about the job. Being a flight attendant is not for the faint of heart. It means long hours, time away from home, working holidays and any day that people are travelling. They see shows like Pan Am and see movies like Catch me if you Can, and think that the job only entails serving drinks, food and making people comfortable, but that is just what we see. Talk to a F/A and see that there is much more to the job then that. So, they fly all over the world. Yeah, well that is not all that it is cracked up to be. Chances are you will be spending alot of unpaid down time in cities that have no glitz and glamour what so ever. But then I am talking to people who know that, thank you for reading.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Given the skillset required and the compensation, a mainline flight attendant is a pretty good gig. Probably one of the best out there; that's why the ratio of applicants to jobs is 100+:1

If they only knew! LOL JK
It is a great gig for a younger person but I couldn't imagine starting at the bottom at my age (early 40's). I was 22 when I started flying and it was fantastic. By the time I quit flying (almost 16 years) I had a pretty cushy schedule, but I spent the first 6-7 Christmases away from home.
I prefer how we do it in nursing: everyone (regardless of seniority) works every 3rd holiday and every 3rd weekend; it makes sense to spread the wealth and share the pain. Also makes for happier employees. Just my 0.02
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:23 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
Having recruited before....I can assure you that about 20% do not meet the basic qualifications. Then the selection process will weed out candidates on the phone interview. What always intrigues me is how many people make it to the mass invite interviews and have no idea about the nature of the job. Many think that pay per hr is based on a 40 hr week, not block or guarntee. Allot of candidates, especially from So. Cal., think they will get LAX right out of training or at worst be there within a year. They look at you with disbelief when we say you WILL be missing birthdays, weddings, holidays, anniversaries,the kids play, etc. for the first 5 to 7 years of your career. After we cover the nitty gritty of pay, scheduling and how to use public transportation in NYC I have seen half the room thank us for the invite and ask for the next flight home.

I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol. I'm just saying don't be discouraged by the lottery winning odds in the article, there are other forces at play here.

I agree with what you said. I work as a gate agent and it is a hard job being a f/a is much harder than what I do and people thing working for the airlines is easy.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:33 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 25):
Yeah, well that is not all that it is cracked up to be. Chances are you will be spending alot of unpaid down time in cities that have no glitz and glamour what so ever. But then I am talking to people who know that, thank you for reading.

Yup - for every long layover in a nice beach destination such as Guam or Rio, you can pretty much expect a few long layovers at airport hotels in small, random cities where there is nothing to do but watch TV in bed all day; that or it's short overnights in some nice cities but you get to your hotel at midnight and are out the door at 8 a.m. with enough time to sleep and maybe eat breakfast.
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:01 pm

Actually if you hold language qualification or have seniority and can hold Intl trips, it's pretty cush. Work 8-9 hrs with a couple hour break, arrive in Europe in the morning and have the whole day to do whatever you want. Not that bad. But yes in the beginning flying ATL-SLC-DEN and arriving late at hotel and doing it all again the next day is tiresome. But if you put the time in, you will get better schedules. Nobody is forcing anyone into this career. I say career because it can and is very rewarding if you stick with it. But a lot of people think that they'll be based near or at home and get to fly to Paris and Brussels right off the bat...umm no. But it is a rewarding job. It depends on YOUR attitude  
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:42 pm

All new hires have 6 ADY (A Days) and will have them until they're no longer required to hold ADY at all. People will not drop down to 3 anymore. REG and LOD FA's all carry ADY.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:56 pm

Ok, thank you for explaining the ballpark here.
70k is not bad at all. OTOH, I can think of more than one advantage of putting young FAs on transatlantic or transpacific routes.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
HAHAHA...not the layover hotel (if they could get away with it, it would happen)...im talking BASE.

That's what I thought  
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training. I even saw this denial during initial training before base assignments were made towards the end. People were shocked and angry when they got sent to places like NY/DC/CHI/PHL

Interesting, wouldn't most of us prefer NYC or CHI over places like DFW or PHX (not that these were bad in any way but still..) Ok, this is going non-av. Good to hear DL will get some quality FAs soon and more people have jobs.
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:32 pm

Ha. well NYC is very expensive for somebody that is just starting their career. Most FAs have "crash pads". These are aptartments that a few FAs, or pilots, share. Nothing fancy and nothing glamorous. But it's a place to stay. Commuting is hard. I travel with a pretty decent seniority and still have a hard time! Couldn't imagine trying to commute with a 2013 DOE!! (date of employment). NYC is glamorous if you can afford manhattan lol
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training.

Well, based on language needs, some maybe based in places like SEA, HNL, LAX out of training if enough current FAs don't voluntarily transfer to these locations. Prior to the merger with DL, we at NW had a bunch of new-hires that were FORCED here to SEA because all of the voluntary transfers had been exhausted. We may see more coming as our base will be expanding with LOD, PQ and reg FA positions that will become available over the next year
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:53 am

The LOD applicants were told in the hiriing information to expect certain cities--but could be based anywhere based on operational need. (IE French could get CVG, SEA or ATL; MA expect SEA, ATL or DTW...etc.)

The irony for a lot of PMDL folks dying to get into SEA, as the poster said above, PMNW was "forcing" people into SEA. In Dec x-fer into NYC was running 41 years to hold it. It's back down now, but winter is really slow season for x-fers.
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:25 am

Just out of curiosity.. and not be be offensive.. but why would you need a college degree to be a FA?
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:26 am

Kikla...because DL can be picky when you have over 45000 applicants   supply and demand. I know a college degree doesn't mean everything, but it shows commitment.
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
Work 8-9 hrs with a couple hour break, arrive in Europe in the morning and have the whole day to do whatever you want. Not that bad

   Again, I can't think of much else where you can do something like that on a high school degree.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 31):
Interesting, wouldn't most of us prefer NYC or CHI over places like DFW or PHX (not that these were bad in any way but still..)

Yeah I think when people are young and don't know anything they want to live in NYC/CHI--I know I did--and then they grow up and realize it's pretty great to live in a city you can afford.
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:38 pm

Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 23):
Not sure why anyone would want to be cabin crew. A flight attendant can look forward to spending lots of time away from home, non-competitive salaries, high amounts of stress in an adversarial customer service environment, cyclic furloughs or layoffs every 3-5 years. Asian and Middle Eastern carriers have better practices surrounding this sort of job.

It's not a job for everyone, but there are those that enjoy it.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 38):
Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.

Because you can speak a difficult language, does not mean that you can deal with people. The flight attendant job is the most customer service orientated job in the entire airline.
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:09 pm

From the point of submitting the application, what does the interviewing/selection process look like?
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

While not a requirement for F/As as it is with Pilots, I'm sure the college degree thing is just a way to pare down the number of applicants.
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Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 41):
While not a requirement for F/As as it is with Pilots, I'm sure the college degree thing is just a way to pare down the number of applicants.

You're probably right but a college degree does not increase the odds that an applicant will have good customer service skills or be a better flight attendant in any way.

It would be nice if airlines tested applicants based on their service attitude as a way to pare down the number of applicants.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 42):
You're probably right but a college degree does not increase the odds that an applicant will have good customer service skills or be a better flight attendant in any way.

No, but like I said........since it's not a real requirement, it's just being used to eliminate a bunch of those applicants. Back in the 70s, when DL was building up MCO, they got alot of applications for transfer from other stations. One of the ways that they eliminated some of those applicants in the first round was whether you had one or less sick days in the year.
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Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 24):
Flight 1- Flight Leader was working the back. Never bothered to brief the exit row. Stopped in the first row of the exit row to hit on the lady sitting there and ask find out her plans once we landed.

Flight 2- FC FA was talking loudly on the phone in the galley while making drinks during boarding. Apparently, he's gonna "holla at you when I gets back to ATL"

What I understand is that only a brief portion of FA training is in service, so there is not a long and precise list of allowable behavior. A vast majority of the training is for safety. Not briefing the exit row is inexcusable, although it might have been done when the poster did not see or hear it or the exit row was filled with non-revs who are sometimes briefed at the gate. The other behavior was not especially disruptive. I am sure passengers would like perfect behavior from the FAs but being mildly uncouth is not a big deal. Really bad behavior might be noticed by non-rev employees on the flight, so that tends to limit it, although bad things happen all of the time.

Quoting klkla (Reply 35):
Just out of curiosity.. and not be be offensive.. but why would you need a college degree to be a FA?

A degree is not necessary and the airlines do not list it as a requirement. There are many jobs that do require a college degree for no reason. For employers it is an indication that the candidate was able to apply themselves and probably show up once in a while. If you had a choice among a bunch of qualified candidates and some had college degrees and some did not, which ones would you select? Since there are hundreds of applicants for each position, why not choose the one with a degree?

There are some tests, which are not academically difficult but require a considerable amount of memorization, so study and focus is required. A speaker at a FA graduation joked about "how hard could it be to open a Coke can?" but there are some people that fail paper tests or the evacuation tests.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 38):

Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.

I doubt it. I know that other airlines would not. Chinese speakers are a dime a dozen. The need for Russian speakers is low because there are not many passengers. Japanese is in demand but Japanese nationals would never accept rude Japanese speakers.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:41 pm

Critical languages might open the door for some people, but in the end, if they can't play nice and do the job, they won't last.

RE: a college degree, it points to following through, getting something done, self-discipline, etc. That in and of itself also doesn't mean they'll become good FA's, but it speaks to a skill set that all plays into the job. A popular misconception is that pilots NEED a degree. That might be a requirement of the AIRLINE, but it is NOT an FAR. Similarly, there is no FAA requirement that FA's have a diploma; that's an airline requirement.

@klkla, rest assured, the skills you mention are in play, too. A non-degree holder is not out-of-hand denied the position.
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Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting B727FA (Reply 45):
A popular misconception is that pilots NEED a degree. That might be a requirement of the AIRLINE, but it is NOT an FAR. Similarly, there is no FAA requirement that FA's have a diploma; that's an airline requirement.

However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on that requirement, no matter how much flying experience the applicant has.
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Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 46):
However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on that requirement, no matter how much flying experience the applicant has.

Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger. One of them is a close friend of mine..Hell of a pilot though and was a line mechanic before he became a pilot for NW.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting kevin752 (Reply 27):
I agree with what you said. I work as a gate agent and it is a hard job being a f/a is much harder than what I do and people thing working for the airlines is easy.

To be honest, there is NO WAY I could do your CSA job....I see the kind of abuse you all take from all sides.

Here's a dirty little secret to all aspiring airline crew: before you get excited about hitting top out and bringing in 75K a year doing three 3 day PEKs and a high value turn...be forewarned, they are doing everything they can to keep this from remaining a career position. The trips are becoming harder in the name of 'productivity' ; transcon turns, duty days built ten minutes below legal maximums, four days built with o'dark thirty report times AND redeyes all in the same sequence. This takes a physical toll,even for people who are healthy. People tear on fat FA s...but many of them are like that because their nutrition and sleep cycles are so screwed up their neuroendocrine system is on the verge of metabolic syndrome.

It costs about 5K per candidate for the interviews, vetting process, training, etc. It is very cost effective to go into perpetual hiring mode and have the majority of people hang up their wings after 5-10 years.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:03 am

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger. One of them is a close friend of mine..Hell of a pilot though and was a line mechanic before he became a pilot for NW.

I think you miss my point.......I'm talking of pilot applicants off the street, not pilots that are coming on board during an airline merger. I hardly think ALPA would have thought much of that if DL was to try and get rid of those pilots because they didn't meet the requirements.
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