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AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:47 pm

http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/130201.html

AC has anounced the Launch of their Q400 service out of YYC to YQR YMM and YXE
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 pm

Excellent...looking forward to the 'Q' wars in the west.
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:21 am

Hopefully YLW isn't far behind.
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:03 am

Quoting Fiedman (Thread starter):
AC has anounced the Launch of their Q400 service out of YYC to YQR YMM and YXE

It's just confirming what they announced last October.
http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=590
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:24 am

Funny. WestJet is announcing their Q routes soon.
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 4):
Funny. WestJet is announcing their Q routes soon.

The decision to operate Q400s in the west was made several years ago, with the initial order. Eventually, they will replace most of the 50 seat CL65s.
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
Eventually, they will replace most of the 50 seat CL65s.

This is such a good thing, I was riding back from YXE last Saturday in one of those tired old CRJ100/200's thinking how much more I would have preferred to have been on a Q.

ATC here in YYC really likes the Q's too, they keep talking about how great the performance is for them. So they are looking forward to more in the airspace, and with WS Encore showing up soon I think we'll have quite a few buzzing into and out of YYC.
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting c172akula (Reply 6):
ATC here in YYC really likes the Q's too, they keep talking about how great the performance is for them.

Its comparable to any jet below 10k on arrival. On departure it (Q400) can go fast, or climb, not both. The RJ's can do both till about 15-20,000 then they start tapering off. (CRJ-200 / E145) As a passenger I prefer the Q, as a controller in the tracon environment I prefer the RJ's as they'll still climb doing 250kts. If we asked Colgan (when I was at IAH) they would do 240ish but their climb rate wasnt great. Again, if theyre inbound and below 10k, I'll take the Q400 as it does about the same speeds but when I need it to, can slow pretty quick.

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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:27 pm

At YYZ the turboprops can do an early turnout sooner than the little jets so they get out of the way of departing or arriving planes quicker. Helps with efficiency on the runways. I am not sure if they do that at YYC.
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 8):
At YYZ the turboprops can do an early turnout sooner than the little jets so they get out of the way of departing or arriving planes quicker. Helps with efficiency on the runways. I am not sure if they do that at YYC.

Yeah noise abatement is different at each airport. Climbing out of IAH turboprops leveled at 3,000 on initial, jets at 4,000. This worked for about 3 months until people started realzing the Q400 is not a Saab or Brasilia. The Q's then went to 4,000 with the jets.
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting atct (Reply 9):
Yeah noise abatement is different at each airport. Climbing out of IAH turboprops leveled at 3,000 on initial, jets at 4,000. This worked for about 3 months until people started realzing the Q400 is not a Saab or Brasilia. The Q's then went to 4,000 with the jets.

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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:54 pm

Looks like there's 2 Q400's based in YYC now. One ferried YYZ-YWG-YYC and the other YUL-YQT-YYC this Thur/Fri. Jazz will take 2 more new from BBD this month (recent order for 6).
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:07 pm

As AC shift more Q400 flying west and eventually put them on interior routes within British Columbia, it got me thinking about about the aircraft's performance in mountainous regions/airports. With that in mind,can anyone share their experience and/or knowledge on the aircraft's capabilities?
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:04 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 12):
and eventually put them on interior routes within British Columbia

Any idea when? So thats YVR - YXS & YXJ, probably YLW. Maybe YKA & YXC? Upgrades to SEA & PDX? YMM is a CRJ route so a candidate too. Are YXE & YQR too far? Is the Q too big for YYJ market? I would say too big for YCD market.
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):

Any idea when?

I found this press release on the AC website and it's no surprise that the DH4 will be put on the YXJ and YXS routes.

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=590

There are only so many DH4 aircraft. It will be interesting to see what additional routes may also be under consideration for next winter's interior BC schedule.
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:43 pm

I have a flight in early May from YYJ-YYC that is now listed as a Q400, so we can add that to the list.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Is the Q too big for YYJ market?

Well, seeing as AC has operated both A320s and E190s on the route in the past (and it's normally a Dash 8-100/300 every hour or even more frequently), I would say no. YVR-YYJ could easily handle multiple Q400s a day. Remember, Horizon already operates multiple Q400s a day to YYJ from SEA (which is obviously not going to be as big of a market for YYJ as YVR is).
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 15):
Horizon already operates multiple Q400s a day to YYJ from SEA (which is obviously not going to be as big of a market for YYJ as YVR is).

And they're usually full full full.

I don't see this type swap changing much in the YYJ-YYC market. WS will still be my choice, as the Dash and the CRJ are both far less comfortable than a 737, and the QX gates in YYC can be as far frm the terminal as 750m in an unheated tunnel. Thanks, but at -40C I'll take an aerobridge.

One thing is for sure though, the guys on the ramp won't be able to shoe-horn two Dashes, a CRJ into spots 2-5 like they're used to!
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 15):
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Is the Q too big for YYJ market?

Well, seeing as AC has operated both A320s and E190s on the route in the past (and it's normally a Dash 8-100/300

That made no economic sense which is why they no longer do it.
 
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RE: AC Launches Q400 Service Out Of YYC

Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 15):
Well, seeing as AC has operated both A320s and E190s on the route in the past

I have been here 7 years and only seen the occasional 190 as a sub. I just feel the Q400 seems a little bit too much beast for a 20 min hop somehow. I would personally take 8P from the south terminal every time anyway  
Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 15):
and it's normally a Dash 8-100/300 every hour or even more frequently

So I could see the bigger plane being usefule on a couple of peak times, but otherwise this frequency would surely drop, no? I think YYJ will stay dinosaur Dash until they are replaced. YYJ-SEA is a different market and QX dont have anything smaller now anyway.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 14):
It will be interesting to see what additional routes may also be under consideration for next winter's interior BC schedule

How is the cargo area for snowboards in the Q? Is it still behind the cabin, or is there under floor holds too? AC send the 190 to YLW in winter specifically to cater for the big bags. I could see YKA upgrade for the same reason, possibly YXC too if there is an improvement over the DH3 after the extra bags are catered for.
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