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Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In the 80s

Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:16 pm

I flew to Australia via HNL in the 1980s on Qantas. I remember flight from LAX left in the very late evening like midnight and transit in HNL was like one or two in the morning.

I have been reading about United flight 811, which experienced the cabin door opening incident. It transited HNL around midnight.

Was that normal practice on transpacific flights to Australia via HNL? Was purpose to accommodate a morning arrival in Australia?
 
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Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In the 80s

Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:17 pm

Sorry if not clear. My question is on whether flight schedule was designed to facilitate a morning arrival in Australia.
 
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Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In the 80s

Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:32 pm

They were and still are set up to facilitate an early morning arrival into SYD. With the newer a/c available of course, non-stops are the rule. A/C types are from 77L on DL to 77Ws, 388s and 744s.

The SYD return flights are timed for morning arrivals into LAX.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:15 am

In the late 70s early 80s all Taranspac flights from Australia went through HNL because the 742's did not have the range of a 744 now adays plus because Hawaii being a State of the US, thats where we did customs then up to the gate again for the last leg onto LAX or SFO and comming back was the same, we came home via HNL. Now with the 744,77L, 77W, and A380 they have the range to do Australia US non stop. Most of the flights that leave LAX for Australia, New Zealand and in fact most of South East Asia leave in a block from LAX from around 10.30 onwards for the morning conections from Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Auckland with NZ. When Continental flew to Australia it always went SYD/HNL/LAX and the Melbourne flights from LAX stoped in HNL and Auckland then on to Melbourne. I can remember my very first trip to the US in the Christmas period in 82/83 my Auntie and I flew Air New Zealand and we went SYD/AKL/NAN/HNL/LAX and that was in a 747-200 at that time they were prety new, as not long before that NZ stoped using the DC-10-30s.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:42 pm

ANZ did AKL to LAX back to AKL nonstop with 742's. Nonstops to SYD were flown with 747SP in the 1980's primarily by Pan AM and United. Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes. QF went totally nonstop when they received the 744's.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:07 pm

Interesting. I knew the 747-100 didn't have the range to do Mainland U.S.-Australia, but I had no idea the 742 didn't have the range either.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes.

What route was operated with the 747SP? What about the 743, was it capable of a non-stop flight?

Also, did UA use their 747SP for the same purpose, or did they start flying non-stop when they had 744's?
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:20 pm

PA 747SP nonstops Sydney to California started around 1977, and UA continued them.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 5):
Interesting. I knew the 747-100 didn't have the range to do Mainland U.S.-Australia, but I had no idea the 742 didn't have the range either.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Qantas did fly 747SP's but could only operate a limited nonstop schedule with only 2 airplanes.

What route was operated with the 747SP? What about the 743, was it capable of a non-stop flight?

Also, did UA use their 747SP for the same purpose, or did they start flying non-stop when they had 744's?

747SP flew nonstop on the LAX to SYD route, 743 were not used nonstop on the route.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 5):

What route was operated with the 747SP?

Believe it or not QFs B747SP were brought to operate mainly Australia - Wellington NZ services due to the short runway at WLG. As well as range the SP had amazing short field performance.

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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:29 pm

I recall my first flight on the Transpacific in about 1985 ex LAX back home to Oz going LAX, HNL, NAN, MEL. I remember a huge fuss at HNL to beat the CO DC10 flight out as both stopped at NAN and there was only one refuelling truck available in the early hours of the morning so who ever got in first got to Oz on time, the other was late!

A few years later (~1987/8) did the SYD-LAX on a UA 747SP (I remember it well as the aircraft went "us" ex LAX was late in to SYD, didn't do the SYD-MEL (where I was based at the time)-SYD leg, went "us" again in SYD and only just managed to beak the evening curfew to depart for LAX (originally due out around lunch time). Missed out connections to SEA, with more delays - a very long trip from MEL to SEA.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:29 am

Yes many of the flights between the US and Australia transited HNL until the arrival of the 744. While PA, QF, and UA did fly nonstop, QF at least did still fly at least one LAX-HNL-SYD rotation alongside the nonstop.

Quoting transtar (Thread starter):
I have been reading about United flight 811, which experienced the cabin door opening incident. It transited HNL around midnight.

UA 811 was actually flying HNL-AKL when the cargo door incident happened.
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting transtar (Thread starter):
Was that normal practice on transpacific flights to Australia via HNL?

Yes, very common. Almost all mainland-South Pacific flights left HNL around midnight. It maximized connectivity at both ends. Daytime flights have few connections at either end. And if daytime flights are delayed extensively you may not be able to land at SYD due to their strict night curfew.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:41 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 10):

UA 811 was actually flying HNL-AKL when the cargo door incident happened.

HNL-AKL-SYD.
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:09 pm

I can remember doing the Pan Am LAX SYD/MEL flight on an SP flew out of LAX in the middle of a thunder storm very bumpy part of the ride through the dinner service, went to sleep and remember waking up to a full moon over the Pacific and a very smooth flight all the way to Sydney. Great aircraft the SP was. All my flights from LAX except for Continental Flight in 92 left LA around the 10.30/11clock mark at night. The CO flight left LA @10.30 in the morning 2 hours late and causing us to miss our conection @ Honolulu so we had a great day in Honolulu unexpected but great, then flew out of HNL just after midnight that night. Ahh all this talk about flying the Pacific I think I need to get back to LA .   
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:09 am

I did LAX-SYD-MEL and back on a UA SP. Was in F of the day, which at the time was pretty impressive. Aside from the food (3 meals) and 6 movies (shown on a single cabin screen), the only thing I recall were the water lines freezing up around 15 hours into the flight and being told that wasn't unusual on that route. That and the leg between SYD and MEL. We pretty much had the plane to ourselves.

There's a lot of similarity between running the 747SP on that route and the A345 between LAX and SIN.
 
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RE: Transpacific Flights To Australia/NZ In The 80s

Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:21 am

They were still stopping in HNL in the 90's but because the code sharing flights were allowing airlines to only send their aircraft to HNL and transfer passengers to another airline while still on the originating airline ticket. I remember travelling on CP and transferring to a Qantas aircraft for the rest of the way to SYD.
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