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Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:13 pm

Beginning May 1

"Virgin America announced Monday it will offer four daily flights from San Jose to Los Angeles beginning May 1. The airline plans to add 15 workers in San Jose."


http://www.mercurynews.com/business/...-america-begins-san-jose-l-flights
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:03 pm

Didn't DL just announce this as well. Boy this is going to be on saturated market.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:07 pm

Waiting for the posters who insist that AA will now drop LAX-SJC
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:15 pm

I think VX will be out of money by then...
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:19 pm

Quoting airbusa322 (Reply 3):
I think VX will be out of money by then...

What makes you hyink that? Do you have a link to verify their Q4 2012 numbers? I don't believe they have posted those public yet...  
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Wow, looks like cheap fares will abound now....
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:37 pm

Since I doubt VX is retaliating against DL for adding LAX-SJC, I'm going to guess DL "got wind of it" and announced it first. I thought it was peculiar DL loaded it into OAG in the middle of the week last week. They nearly always load schedule changes over the weekend. It's as if they wanted to make sure it was announced and for sale as soon as possible.  
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 6):
Since I doubt VX is retaliating against DL for adding LAX-SJC, I'm going to guess DL "got wind of it" and announced it first. I thought it was peculiar DL loaded it into OAG in the middle of the week last week. They nearly always load schedule changes over the weekend. It's as if they wanted to make sure it was announced and for sale as soon as possible.

Just for the record, still no official PR from Delta yet.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:28 pm

LOL I just love VX's press release about this!!

"Award-Winning Airline brings New Jobs, Lower Fares and Much-Needed Flight Competition for South Bay Business Travelers"

As if VX needs another route that does poorly. Why David Cush hasn't been fired is beyond me. Their route planners again and again have shown that they haven't an original thought in their heads.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:45 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 7):

Just for the record, still no official PR from Delta yet.

I was wondering why the article didn't mention DL also starting service Jun 1st in that sillicon paper i guess this is why??
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:40 pm

Seems VX is building up LAX a bit lately. Good for them and I hope they find great success.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8):
LOL I just love VX's press release about this!!

"Award-Winning Airline brings New Jobs, Lower Fares and Much-Needed Flight Competition for South Bay Business Travelers"

As if VX needs another route that does poorly. Why David Cush hasn't been fired is beyond me. Their route planners again and again have shown that they haven't an original thought in their heads.

I have to agree. Why not look at some city pairs not served currently, or served poorly and go after that market. I would rather be the big fish in a small ocean than the small fish in the big ocean.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:48 pm

4 mainline flights is gonna be tough but alot of companies in the bay area and LA love vigin america so i wouldnt say its one of their worst route selections. My brother in law flys LAX-SFO weekly for google and i bet alot of tech people like that will now as well. alot of people headed to silicon valley will like this flight its just be alot of seats for virgin to fill with Delta also entering the market
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 9):
I was wondering why the article didn't mention DL also starting service Jun 1st in that sillicon paper i guess this is why??

Guess so.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:51 pm

and throw the codeshare announcement between AA and DL into the pot

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...ska-airlines-expand-150000083.html
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
and throw the codeshare announcement between AA and DL into the pot

Know you meant AA and AS.    So we'll have AA, AS, UA, WN and now VX all fighting for customers on this route. WN alone has ten flights a day, AA six, AS three. What's four more?
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 12):
Why not look at some city pairs not served currently

From SFO/LAX??? I am pretty sure most would agree any city not served from SFO/LAX from VX that doesn't have 4+ carriers on the route already is just not qualified enough to be a VX future destination.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 17):

From SFO/LAX??? I am pretty sure most would agree any city not served from SFO/LAX from VX that doesn't have 4+ carriers on the route already is just not qualified enough to be a VX future destination.

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:28 pm

Didn't Virgin America learn from SNASFO?
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):


Didn't Virgin America learn from SNASFO?

Could be a test to see if the VX model appeals to SJC travelers. SNA was a dead end for expansion, SJC is another matter. With a dearth of new VX capacity in the near future short haul ex-LAX will increase utilization. IF they get some positive income on the books and SJC does well, SJC could serve as a potential new base for VX.

Not holding my breath on that but we'll see....
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8):
As if VX needs another route that does poorly. Why David Cush hasn't been fired is beyond me. Their route planners again and again have shown that they haven't an original thought in their heads
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 17):
From SFO/LAX??? I am pretty sure most would agree any city not served from SFO/LAX from VX that doesn't have 4+ carriers on the route already is just not qualified enough to be a VX future destination.

I was going to say the same thing. My theory is Cush waited for DL to announce the route, at which time it became VX's kind of market - WAY too much capacity and competition. So in he jumps! What a magnificent (and successful) strategy...
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 12):
Why not look at some city pairs not served currently, or served poorly and go after that market. I would rather be the big fish in a small ocean than the small fish in the big ocean

What a silly idea! You'd never make it in VX's management or route planning team!  

And I say again, good luck to all the VX investors.

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:45 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 19):
Didn't Virgin America learn from SNASFO?

That gets me wondering...I am interested in seeing the numbers for SFO-SAN. That route has been there forever and it must be working since they haven't eliminated it yet. So maybe SJC could work out in the future. I could see a daily SJC transcon working...
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:57 pm

VX has a press release now on their website:
http://www.virginamerica.com/press-r...-from-san-jose-to-los-angeles.html

LAX - SJC 0700 0810
LAX - SJC 1255 1405
LAX - SJC 1655 1805
LAX - SJC 2045 2155



SJC - LAX 0635 0745
SJC - LAX 0855 1005
SJC - LAX 1450 1600
SJC - LAX 1850 2000
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:59 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 7):
Just for the record, still no official PR from Delta yet.
Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 9):
I was wondering why the article didn't mention DL also starting service Jun 1st in that sillicon paper i guess this is why??

OK, more evidence. GH just tossed this thing out in hopes of dissuading VX and it didn't work.

IMHO it's time for VX to lose Cush. I think he's had his chance there and it still isn't working any better. Possibly worse. It's a tough challenge, but I think the time has come for another leader to see if they can get to the next level of success. I think they might start by abandoning the exclusive focus on LAX/SFO. They need to pursue options anywhere they come. LAX and SFO are too limiting. LAX is a zoo with everybody in play there.

I still don't get where the planes for all these new routes are coming from. I thought VX deferred all deliveries.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
I still don't get where the planes for all these new routes are coming from. I thought VX deferred all deliveries.

If you recall sometime back I believe it was in NOV/DEC12 when VX cut down operations significantly. For example over the summer I believe VX was 5x daily on SEA-SFO, now on some days are down to as little as 2x. That's where the planes are coming from. SEA as a whole has taken a huge hit in schedule reduction from LAX as well

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:35 pm

UA will likely be the first to pull the route. I'm curious if Horizon will stick on the route. AA is a maybe. Southwest isn't going anywhere.

Between DL and VX adding this route, no one will make money on it.

SJC-LAX is one of those fascinating routes with various equipment. You can choose a prop on Horizon's Q400, an all economy RJ on AA's CRJs/ERJs, a two class RJ with UA's CR7, an all economy mainline jet with Southwest's 737, and soon to be 2 class full service on VX's A320s.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 16):
Know you meant AA and AS.  

Thanks I did. That was one helluva typo, but if AA and DL did decide to codeshare....A.net would probably implode!
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:51 pm

Why does VX insist on entering heavily saturated/competitive markets, especially when there are other markets that could be better served by them?

Clearly VX has done a great job going after AA customers at DFW. Perhaps they should try going after DL customers at ATL, DTW and maybe MSP. I don't see why SFO/LAX-ATL wouldn't work for them. Even better, why don't they try going after UA at IAH.

VX has a lot of potential, however, they definitely need new leadership to put them on the right track.

I would wish them good luck on this new route, but I doubt that will help them...
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:35 pm

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 28):
VX has a lot of potential, however, they definitely need new leadership to put them on the right track

Given their track record those are some highly competitive markets you mentioned so
Your suggestion of routes don't seem to differ from the leadership you question at VX  
They are already planning on taking on UA at EWR. I cant honestly say which airport is a bigger gorilla to tackle EWR/IAH....either way apparently we should expect hourly service backlash  
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 25):
If you recall sometime back I believe it was in NOV/DEC12 when VX cut down operations significantly. For example over the summer I believe VX was 5x daily on SEA-SFO, now on some days are down to as little as 2x. That's where the planes are coming from. SEA as a whole has taken a huge hit in schedule reduction from LAX as well

OK, hadn't noticed that. Interesting.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 26):
AA is a maybe. Southwest isn't going anywhere.

I think AA won't let it go because of history in SJC. THey have held on to BNA-LAX/LGA for a long time.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 26):
Between DL and VX adding this route, no one will make money on it.

So true

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 26):
SJC-LAX is one of those fascinating routes with various equipment. You can choose a prop on Horizon's Q400, an all economy RJ on AA's CRJs/ERJs, a two class RJ with UA's CR7, an all economy mainline jet with Southwest's 737, and soon to be 2 class full service on VX's A320s.

The RJ guys will have the worst margin, but I guess they will lose the least $$$.

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 28):
Why does VX insist on entering heavily saturated/competitive markets, especially when there are other markets that could be better served by them?
Quoting OC2DC (Reply 28):
VX has a lot of potential, however, they definitely need new leadership to put them on the right track.
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 29):
Your suggestion of routes don't seem to differ from the leadership you question at VX

I think with everybody pounding on AA, VX would be smart to go mess with them in MIA to high end Caribbean. Cush is just ignoring everything else in order to build their brand in LAX/SFO. I might be crazy, but I don't think VX can ever be much in LAX. They will never engender broad loyalty. The market is too splintered and the int'l routes are too important to the deep pocket customers. VX could be the 2nd guy in MIA. B6 killed MHT by going into BOS. VX should attempt that in MIA (FLL).
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 21):
That gets me wondering...I am interested in seeing the numbers for SFO-SAN. That route has been there forever and it must be working since they haven't eliminated it yet.

I would also love to see the numbers.

Virgin seems to be maintaining about 4-5 daily r/t in the market (no change since they started flying it in Feb of 2008) while of course adding no other routes. And what's really amazing is they only have 2 competitors -- WN and UA! (Seems kind of few by VX's standards!) However, it is a rather good-sized market with about 1,500PDEW so if VX isn't making a profit there, it would be pretty sad.

I do find it interesting that the last 2 additiions to the VX route map have been a bit unusual for the carrier: LAX-LAS and now LAX-SJC. A couple of new routes not involving SFO. A couple of new markets added from only LA. A couple of short hauls. Are these just "stocking-stuffers" -- something small to use some a/c time until something better comes along? Has the company "maxed out" at SFO? Could there be some other strategies emerging from VX that will (finally) change the look of the route map somewhat over the next year?

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 29):
Your suggestion of routes don't seem to differ from the leadership you question at VX  
They are already planning on taking on UA at EWR. I cant honestly say which airport is a bigger gorilla to tackle EWR/IAH....either way apparently we should expect hourly service backlash  

I would band the EWR market into the general New York market (includes JFK) which is obviously high in competition (i.e. everybody and their mother flies form New York to LAX/SFO , AA, UA, B6, DL, VX). Clearly, they are going to be up for a big battle when they start that route.

LAX-IAH only has UA and MQ (and WN if you count HOU). There's also the new entrant, NK, but VX has a much bigger following at LAX and a better product than NK. I think VX would be a great alternative for many on both ends of the route.
SFO-IAH only has UA. Sure UA could retaliate with more frequency or cheaper fares, but how long will that last? Look at what AA did to VX when they entered the DFW-LAX/SFO market. AA gave away "customer appreciation" gift cards and cut fares to ridiculously low levels. That only lasted 2 months and VX been in the market for over 2 years now with some success. I think VX could make it work.

You have to remember that VX is the anti-legacy carrier. They do things differently and I think a lot of people that get irritated with the legacies will look for alternatives, thats where VX steps in.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:59 pm

VX needs to get into IAH, UA is vulnerable there and I think that market is ripe for the picking given SFO-IAH is a UA monopoly. With only RJ competition from LAX, it would be another good addition and to get at UA while they are still going through difficulties.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:02 pm

I don't suppose they would consider serving LAX/SFO-RDU? RDU is home to the Research Triangle Park...may be some high yielding passengers flying between RDU and the West Coast, no? Granted, US already flies SFO-RDU plus DL and AA have introduced LAX-RDU.

BNA? STL? MCI? AUS?
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
I think AA won't let it go because of history in SJC.

Actually, given what AA's history at SJC is (buying AirCal and it's SJC hub, gutting the hub like a fish, then doing the exact same thing with Reno Air), I would argue that invoking AA's history at SJC suggests the opposite. AA barely even has a token presence at SJC at this point, and I don't see them hesitating to cut it further if the financial conditions warrant it.

And, as someone who used to fly SJC-LAX on a monthly basis, and as someone who likes to see competition/options, I'm happy to read both VX's and DL's intentions to start the route (although DL hasn't announced it formally yet). Hopefully everyone succeeds while keeping fares from going through the roof...
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8):
As if VX needs another route that does poorly.

Why would it do poorly?

LA basin - Bay area is one of the worlds busiest markets.

Clearly there folks on boths ends of California that would happily take advantage of the new opportunity.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8):
Why David Cush hasn't been fired is beyond me.

Obviously the owners/investors support him. That's what matters, not the A.net peanut gallery.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8):
Their route planners again and again have shown that they haven't an original thought in their heads.

Going for a large and popular market is a failure in your mind?

Companies survey travelers, and corporate clients. I suspect LAX-SJC came near the top of VX customer wish list as with recent LAX-LAS

Anyhow - for the record SJC airport themselves considers Los Angeles an "underserved" market and has air service incentive package available for new carrier.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 10):
Seems VX is building up LAX a bit lately. Good for them and I hope they find great success.

They have lots of room for growth facility wise.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 19):
Could be a test to see if the VX model appeals to SJC travelers.

I am sure VX already has a following from SJC already on its existing network.

Also I am sure the airports new air service incentive package helps with the decision.
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 21):
That gets me wondering...I am interested in seeing the numbers for SFO-SAN. That route has been there forever and it must be working since they haven't eliminated it yet.

DOT for 12mos ended Sept.

Airline / Load Factor / Market share / Yield cents
UA - 76% - 36% - 26.2
VX - 77% - 21% - 24.9
WN - 79% - 32% - 23.1

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
LAX and SFO are too limiting. LAX is a zoo with everybody in play there.

They are large markets. Airlines (as with most business) go where the people are.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 25):
UA will likely be the first to pull the route.

   UA with its SFO buildup and pull down at OAK/SJC has clearly signaled the secondary station can be sacrificed.

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 27):
Why does VX insist on entering heavily saturated/competitive markets

Like mentioned previously LAX-SJC is a good sized market. Almost 4,600 people seek to fly between the South Bay to LA Basin daily.

I'm sure VX flyers on both ends would appreciate the flight.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 30):
I do find it interesting that the last 2 additiions to the VX route map have been a bit unusual for the carrier: LAX-LAS and now LAX-SJC. A couple of new routes not involving SFO.

LAX-LAS was simply to compliment the long existing SFO-LAS flight and was long overdue.

LAX-SJC is a bit like SFO-SAN - a major market from your hub
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 21):
I could see a daily SJC transcon working...

And I've "seen" that possibility for 5 years out of SAN with Virgin. Advice: don't hold your breath Socal'!  
Quoting warden145 (Reply 35):
Hopefully everyone succeeds while keeping fares from going through the roof...
AS, AA, UA, VX, DL, and WN -- that's an awful lot of everyone to succeed... The DOT reports in Table 1A for 2Q12 that LAX-SJC had a total of 1720 O&D pax per day which equals 860 PDEW. There are certainly some connecting pax on the route but still... Five cx sharing maybe 1000 PDEW?

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
Airline / Load Factor / Market share / Yield cents
UA - 76% - 36% - 26.2
VX - 77% - 21% - 24.9
WN - 79% - 32% - 23.1

Thank you for that  
After a quick check at all 3 airline websites I found exactly what I figured. All 3 are charging the same price basically every day ~$160 each way. I don't know how to interpret these numbers to the fact that VX only has 3 flights a day to UA and WN who have 8 each. VX seems to be making more money per flight than WN?
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 37):
AS, AA, UA, VX and WN -- that's an awful lot of everyone to succeed... The DOT reports in Table 1A for 2Q12 that LAX-SJC had a total of 1720 O&D pax per day which equals 860 PDEW. There are certainly some connecting pax on the route but still... Five cx sharing maybe 1000 PDEW?

Per SJC Airport, the true daily demand was more like 4,592 between South Bay and LA Basin. (I believe they used 2011 figures)

There is a lot of spill of traffic using other airports and hence why SJC has an incentive program in place for new LAX flight and has designated it to be an "underserved" market.

I have no doubt the market can be stimulated by new service, question is how much of this native market that SJC identified would migrate back to using SJC versus continuing to drive to SFO/OAK with the added choice to LA basin.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:22 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 38):
I don't know how to interpret these numbers to the fact that VX only has 3 flights a day to UA and WN who have 8 each.

More accurately, Virgin has been running ~4/5 flights/day most of the time lately; WN is consistently at 9/day. UA varies by day, week and month (?) but my best estimate (guess) would be ~8/9 per day.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
Per SJC Airport, the true daily demand was more like 4,592 between South Bay and LA Basin. (I believe they used 2011 figures.)

And that may be but I'd sure love to see how they came up with that number. (I would bet they have some SFO-departing pax in there that are believed to actually be from the South Bay.) Ah, leakage and statistics!
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
There is a lot of spill of traffic using other airports and hence why SJC has an incentive program in place for new LAX flight and has designated it to be an "underserved" market.

I guess SJC got their wish! (Must be one hell of an incentive package...) Intriguing that they felt that 4 cx -- UA, AA, AS and WN -- all flying to LAX airport -- created an "underserved" market! It will be very interesting to see how all the combatants work through this.

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:50 am

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 27):
Why does VX insist on entering heavily saturated/competitive markets, especially when there are other markets that could be better served by them?

Yeah, and why San José of all places? Fly to something like Montréal instead, where current fares are high and nonstop options are scant from Calif. It seems they are just entering an already-well-served blood bath on the LAX-SJC route.... I still don't understand why they didn't try to build up their Toronto service before they so quickly pulled it.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:09 pm

You cannot fault Virgin for pulling out of Toronto. The problem of flying to Canada is the cost of doing business. The high airport fees and ticket taxes make the cost of a ticket expensive. This is why Allegiant is having so much success in flying from Grand Forks, ND and Plattsburgh, NY.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Also I am sure the airports new air service incentive package helps with the decision.

The incentive for new service SJC-LAX is a one year waiver on fees. A focus city would provide additional support beyond that, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

I would think the DL Connection service would qualify for the fee waiver as well.

http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/busines...evelopment+|+Air+Service+Incentive

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 15):
So we'll have AA, AS, UA, WN and now VX all fighting for customers on this route

and Delta

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):

OK, more evidence. GH just tossed this thing out in hopes of dissuading VX and it didn't work.

not at all. They have been looking to replace the capacity they lost when they dumped the MQ codeshare on intra-cali routes. Do not be surprised(as i said in the other thread) to see LAX-FAT/MRY/SBA come at some point.
I do think this was rushed up because of VX though.

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 27):
I don't see why SFO/LAX-ATL wouldn't work for them. Even better

because Delta will do a major capacity dump.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 38):

There is a lot of spill of traffic using other airports and hence why SJC has an incentive program in place for new LAX flight and has designated it to be an "underserved" market.

So Delta will also be able to use this? or is it just for new carriers to SJC?
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:29 pm

Quoting AS739BSI (Reply 32):
VX needs to get into IAH,

VX needs to get into ATL because of the film and entertainment industry. Lots of Zombies will want to fly VX
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 44):

VX needs to get into ATL because of the film and entertainment industry. Lots of Zombies will want to fly VX

Haha they would lose even more money!! UA couldnt make it happen from LAX,so i don't think it would be a good idea for VX to go into a hub like ATL....
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:56 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 4):
What makes you hyink that? Do you have a link to verify their Q4 2012 numbers? I don't believe they have posted those public yet...

Apparently, and this was from a VX employee, they couldnt pay their employees on time last week.
 
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 43):
They have been looking to replace the capacity they lost when they dumped the MQ codeshare on intra-cali routes. Do not be surprised(as i said in the other thread) to see LAX-FAT/MRY/SBA come at some point.
I do think this was rushed up because of VX though.

Does anybody know why the codeshares were dumped? It now seems possible that they were dumped to make room for some of the new routes out of LAX.

With Delta having dropped SLC-SBA and SLC-MRY in previous years, I would be surprised to see those stations resurrected out of LAX. Though certainly LAX-SBA is a quick turn.

But then I think most folks here have not been expecting the buildup out of LAX that is taking place for the Widget. Me, I'd like to see them go for LAX-SMX.  

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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:52 pm

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 46):
Apparently, and this was from a VX employee, they couldnt pay their employees on time last week.

And did anyone bother to read the letter the company put out to employees?

The payroll vendor ADP messed up, there was an issue with bonus and 401k payments and result ADP failed to make the direct deposit and instead issued folks paper checks on the same day.

The company/ADP is paying for any overdraft or late payment issues employees experienced.
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RE: Virgin America To Launch LAX-SJC

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 46):
Apparently, and this was from a VX employee, they couldnt pay their employees on time last week.

well...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
And did anyone bother to read the letter the company put out to employees?

I also read it only had to do with the Pilots and Inflight though that is not from a VX employee or reliable source so correct me if I am wrong. I know a couple of Guest Service VX employees and I heard no complaints. This could have happened last year and most people would speculate the same thing as you are now. This could have happened to AA or F9 and people would think that and all I have to say to it is again ....

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 4):
o you have a link to verify their Q4 2012 numbers? I don't believe they have posted those public yet...


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