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Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:39 pm

This rumor has been around for a few months ago, but it's apparently closer to becoming reality now than before. Talk is that AMR is trying to negotiate with pilots to allow a third-party operator to run a San Juan prop base (which isn't much of a secret).

That third-party airline is supposedly Virgin Islands-based Seaborne Airlines, and instead of just being a codeshare deal, there has been talk Seaborne might take on the American Eagle brand.

Perhaps not coincidently, Seaborne just moved to San Juan's terminal D, sharing check-in space with AA.

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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:44 pm

I have heard that AMR announced internally today that AA plans to codeshare with Cape Air out of SJU to EIS/VQS/MAZ/NEV, so not sure if Seaborne is still in the mix ...
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:03 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
I have heard that AMR announced internally today that AA plans to codeshare with Cape Air out of SJU to EIS/VQS/MAZ/NEV, so not sure if Seaborne is still in the mix ...

Yes, this has been announced, but this would be on top of the Cape Air deal, which has also been concurrently in the works. The Cape Air deal isn't very extensive and operates exclusively as a feeder agreement - Cape Air flights can't be booked individually as AA segments.

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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:03 am

So des this mean we'll see AE-branded Twin Otters if this happens? That should be interesting..
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:07 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
So des this mean we'll see AE-branded Twin Otters if this happens? That should be interesting..

Maybe Seaborne will take on some Dash 8s or ATRs as well if this happens.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:08 am

Would Seaborne get new planes for this or would they just use the twin otters? And if they did get new planes, what would they be?

I guess what would really be cool to see would be an amphibious Eagle painted otter..

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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:11 am

well Seaborne keeps changing their schedules close-in, so maybe this is being driven from the Seaborne side of the house as "wishful" thinking ....

Cape Air already has a relationship with American...
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:36 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 2):
Yes, this has been announced, but this would be on top of the Cape Air deal, which has also been concurrently in the works. The Cape Air deal isn't very extensive and operates exclusively as a feeder agreement - Cape Air flights can't be booked individually as AA segments.

Interesting - can't necessarily see why this is that important to AA, but perhaps AA really does still want to keep a branded position throughout the Caribbean, including the smaller islands.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
Interesting - can't necessarily see why this is that important to AA, but perhaps AA really does still want to keep a branded position throughout the Caribbean, including the smaller islands.

I'd argue that's exactly what it wants to do. And if the flying is at-risk - which I would go out on a limb and assume any such deal with Seaborne would be - little harm for AA in doing this.

There has also been talk AA would like to get some prop flying for Miami for Bahamas/intra-Florida.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
So des this mean we'll see AE-branded Twin Otters if this happens?
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Maybe Seaborne will take on some Dash 8s or ATRs as well if this happens.

They have Saab 340's on property and they are hiring flight attendants for them right now.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
There has also been talk AA would like to get some prop flying for Miami for Bahamas/intra-Florida.

And yet they just shut down Executive and the ATR operation. WTF??
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
if the flying is at-risk - which I would go out on a limb and assume any such deal with Seaborne would be - little harm for AA in doing this.

Sure - makes sense.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
There has also been talk AA would like to get some prop flying for Miami for Bahamas/intra-Florida.

Now that I could totally see. I could definitely see AA wanting to put some cheap props into some of the smaller Bahamas (BIM, TCB, GHB) and Florida (APF, GNV, etc.) markets.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 10):
And yet they just shut down Executive and the ATR operation. WTF??

Simple. BB is no doubt way, way cheaper than OW.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
So des this mean we'll see AE-branded Twin Otters if this happens? That should be interesting..
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
Maybe Seaborne will take on some Dash 8s or ATRs as well if this happens.
Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 9):
They have Saab 340's on property and they are hiring flight attendants for them right now.

Yep, operating out of SJU......

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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 3):
So des this mean we'll see AE-branded Twin Otters if this happens? That should be interesting..

Hmmm that would be interesting, what I would find really interesting is if they open up a MNI-SJU route with the twin otters... Wishful thinking of course...
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
There has also been talk AA would like to get some prop flying for Miami for Bahamas/intra-Florida.

Could this possibly mean MLB service?
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:14 pm

The funny thing is AA pilots dont lose with this. It could only help fill mainline flights. None of these were mainline flights anyway. So it is a win win.

But you have to wonder what and who ALPO is representing in this...because they are doing a real sh***y job representing the Eagle pilots.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:10 am

as mentioned earlier, it looks like Cape Air is already on the move.... now to see if Seaborne gets added into the mix.

We have friends in high places! American Airlines and Cape Air have announced their new expanded codeshare relationship in the Caribbean. The codeshare agreement now includes Cape Air’s flights between San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU) and the following destinations: Vieques and Mayaguez, Puerto Rico; Nevis; Anguilla; and Tortola.

Members of the American Airlines AAdvantage® program will be able to earn and redeem miles on the codeshare flights operated by Cape Air, providing another valuable benefit of the relationship. Customers can begin booking travel on codeshare flights as early as today for travel beginning Feb. 7, 2013 to Vieques, Mayaguez, Nevis, and Anguilla – and for travel beginning on April 1, 2013 for Tortola.

Visit www.aa.com to book online.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:01 pm

Well, AA returns to Mayaguez, but would this be the first time that AA has had a presence of some sort at Vieques?

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 14):
Could this possibly mean MLB service?

I'd like to see DAB get AA service as well.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 17):
but would this be the first time that AA has had a presence of some sort at Vieques?

No. Eagle flew to Vieques in the mid-00's.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 am

Effective immediately Seabourne and AA are now interlining. In addition to combining check-in facilities at SJU, they will combine at STX (completed) and STT.
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:53 am

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 18):

As far as I know , the service never started. Ticket counter was set up and start up date announced, but I dont think they ever began flying the route.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:51 am

American Eagle/Executive never flew to Vieques, they conducted several flights as proving runs from SJU but Vieques airport was unable to get certification or the infrastructure to welcome AE scheduled services.
 
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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 13):
Hmmm that would be interesting, what I would find really interesting is if they open up a MNI-SJU route with the twin otters... Wishful thinking of course...

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RE: Rumor: Seaborne May Fly As American Eagle

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:15 pm

I mentioned it in the weekly schedule update thread, but thought it deserved a post on this topic too. In addition to the interline agreement with AA, Seaborne is launching SJU-DOM/FDF/PTP. The new flights will be operated by SF3s. Codesharing would seem like the logical next step...it will be interesting to see what happens.

Press release here: http://www.seaborneairlines.com/wp-c...ads/SAL-DOMPTP-Feb-19-Engl-Spa.pdf
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