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Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:03 am

Hey all,

After my recent Westjet flight from LAX to YYC I had a short chat with the captain. He informed me that Westjet is in talk with Boeing about a 737-900 order. According to him Westjet can see its first 737-900 joining the fleet in 2014 already.
Has anyone else heard something about this?

If this is true, I think Westjet will become the sole airline operating all next generation 737 series.
 
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Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:14 am

If this indeed is true, then they will be ordering the 737-900ER. The standard -900 is no longer in production. Also, Westjet will be the first airline to operate all NG-series airplanes.
 
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Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:17 am

Do they still have any of the 736s in their fleet?
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Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:21 am

The B373-900ER would be an ideal aircraft on the main trans-con trunk routes. I can't see it being a significant order if comes to pass, perhaps a dozen units. How does the range compare to the 700 and 800?
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:32 am

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 2):
Do they still have any of the 736s in their fleet?

Thirteen, as of December.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
How does the range compare to the 700 and 800?

Slightly longer; the 73G (with winglets) has a range of about 3,440nm, with 3,100nm for the -800; still move than sufficient for anything they need to do.

I wonder if the -900ER might encourage them to do some short t/a flights - perhaps to the UK and Ireland, maybe even Quebec to regional French cities? Range-wise it would work, but do they have any plans in that direction?
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
I wonder if the -900ER might encourage them to do some short t/a flights - perhaps to the UK and Ireland, maybe even Quebec to regional French cities? Range-wise it would work, but do they have any plans in that direction?

Does the 9ER have the legs for that? It seems like even the 73G would have trouble with that, unless it was from St. Johns like AC to LHR.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:01 am

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 2):
Do they still have any of the 736s in their fleet?

They are a regular here at LGA.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:23 am

Pilot rumor. 50/50 it is true.

Why do people think that pilots or FAs have insight to the strategic and capital planning initiatives of an airline?
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:24 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
I wonder if the -900ER might encourage them to do some short t/a flights - perhaps to the UK and Ireland, maybe even Quebec to regional French cities? Range-wise it would work, but do they have any plans in that direction?

WestJet CFO Vito Culmone said during a presentation at an investor's conference recently (sorry, can't find a link) that crossing oceans wasn't even on their radar right now.

I personally feel that that is a smokescreen. Given their steady growth, trans-at flights are inevitable. I would peg a timeline of about 5-7 before we see it, but that would certainly put it well within the realm of WS's radar.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
Why do people think that pilots...have insight to the strategic and capital planning initiatives of an airline?

Because senior pilots have friends that work in head office? It's not so far-fetched to think that they talk about work.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
Why do people think that pilots or FAs have insight to the strategic and capital planning initiatives of an airline?

While your statement is completely true, as far as pilot rumors go this one isn't completely farfetched at all.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
Why do people think that pilots or FAs have insight to the strategic and capital planning initiatives of an airline?

they have either friends in management or are management pilots themselves  
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:29 am

Quoting PH-BFA (Reply 10):
they have either friends in management or are management pilots themselves

Don't forget that a senior pilot at WestJet could own quite a bit of stock in the company.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:23 am

The 737-900ER with winglets is good for about 2800nm with a 177- passenger load. Do they have in mind something like YYC-HNL with something like 150-passengers or YVR/YYC into the Carribean where the range would work rather well or from Atlantic Canada points to YVR. It would work well on a strong winds day westbound from YYZ/YUL.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:36 am

I am surprised there has been no 900 to date. I have been told several times on here it would not work, but I disagree. I am pretty sure a new MAX order will include the 9.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
The B373-900ER would be an ideal aircraft on the main trans-con trunk routes

   As well as YVR - Hawaii and to CUN from many origins.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
I wonder if the -900ER might encourage them to do some short t/a flights - perhaps to the UK and Ireland, maybe even Quebec to regional French cities? Range-wise it would work, but do they have any plans in that direction?

Not sure it has the legs for that as someone would be doing it already. I think if WS are going to take on AC and all the other major airlines and their respective alliances plus Canadian Affair (TS), they will do it properly with a 787 (or a widebody anyway).
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 7):
Why do people think that pilots or FAs have insight to the strategic and capital planning initiatives of an airline?

He is a stakeholder in the company, and like all stakeholders he would probably have that kind of information that all shareholders would be privy to, which would include information about aircraft acquisitions.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:44 am

Do they fly YYC-HNL now? It would be a good summer plane for YYZ-YVR and winter to FLL from YUL or YYZ.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:07 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 15):
Do they fly YYC-HNL now?

With a leased in 757 as the 73 cant make it with any meaningful load.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:48 am

Given WS's profits and high LF's, the 739ER seems a likely addition.

WS ordered another 738 (a conversion from a 73G order). Now 19 738's in service and 4 on order (all due 2013). Along with 30 73G's on order thru 2018. It seems likely that many of the 73G's will be converted to the 738, 739ER or MAX.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 12):
The 737-900ER with winglets is good for about 2800nm with a 177- passenger load.

WS is reconfiguring their 738's to seat 174 so any 739ER would likely seat more than 177. Likely 190 or more.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
I am pretty sure a new MAX order will include the 9.

Agreed. By 2018 (when the MAX 9 enters service), WS will have many 738 routes that could support a capacity boost. If/when WS orders the MAX, it will likely be a mixed 8/9 order.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 15):
It would be a good summer plane for YYZ-YVR and winter to FLL from YUL or YYZ.

Agreed, along with many other routes.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
He is a stakeholder in the company, and like all stakeholders he would probably have that kind of information that all shareholders would be privy to, which would include information about aircraft acquisitions.

And as a publicly-traded company shareholders have legal access ONLY to publicly disclosed information, which would include signficant things such as major capital purchase decisions. If the pilot WAS privy to insider, non-disclosed, material information he would be breaking the law by discussing it publicly.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
He is a stakeholder in the company, and like all stakeholders he would probably have that kind of information that all shareholders would be privy to, which would include information about aircraft acquisitions.

Not to be pedantic, but a stakeholder and a shareholder are not the same thing.

All employees of any company could be considered stakeholders of that company.

Now, assuming you mean shareholder in all cases (as in, owning stock), and assuming that shareholders somehow had access to info that the rest of the world didn't, how do you know he is a shareholder?

All the OP said was that he spoke with the captain on his flight. He never said who the captain was, or why this captain would have insider info that some other pilot wouldn't have.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting hoMsar (Reply 19):

Shareholder is probably accurate in this case. It's pretty hard to work for WS and not be a shareholder. A senior pilot would probably have quite a pile of stock through the company plans.
WS makes a pretty big deal of it...one of their ad tag lines is something like 'because owners care' implying you get better service because everyone working there owns a part of the company.

As for being in on the rumour mills about fleet ideas...WS is still small enough that a lot of people know a lot of people in the company. (I recently flew on their newest plane, which they made a fuss over as it was the 100th plane in the fleet).
So, it would be too easy for the coffee or adult pop talk to revolve around the pros and cons of different frames, or even that the 739 was a possibility...which given their groeth and load factors seems like a really, really logical thing from the outside anyway!
As for exchange rules, there is probably nothing material in the idea that they might get a different version of the 737. If a substantial order was in the works and ready to sign it might be material, and of course the impending purchase of 30 A350 s to launch international service is material. (OK, I made that one up, but it would be material if it were true).
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting BE77 (Reply 20):
WS makes a pretty big deal of it

Revenue sharing day is by far the best day of the year at any WS station.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
I personally feel that that is a smokescreen.

Given your handle, I can see why you'd say this!

I don't share your view. This rumour has been bouncing around in different forms for about the last 7-8 years. I remember being told by a WS CS agent that one of her friends from HQ was site surveying major gateways in western Europe. Nothing has ever materialized, and rather than do their own flying T/A WS has focussed on what they do best, and signed codeshares with their minority of travellers who want to fly WS on their way to Europe. I suspect the demise of Zoom burned itself into WS's memory.

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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:55 am

World WS look into serving YYZ-LHR or YUL-CDG with the 737-900ER??
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:26 am

Quoting amsspot (Thread starter):
World WS look into serving YYZ-LHR or YUL-CDG with the 737-900ER??

I honestly dont think they can be competitive given the products of their competitiors on those routes
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 22):
World WS look into serving YYZ-LHR or YUL-CDG with the 737-900ER??

I don't think the 737-900ER has the range for it.

According to Boeing, the plane's range is 3235 nm, which is 200 miles short for YUL-CDG and 300 miles short for YYZ-LHR.
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:26 pm

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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 21):
Can't wait to see some stretchy 737s in teal and navy!

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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting BE77 (Reply 20):
As for exchange rules, there is probably nothing material in the idea that they might get a different version of the 737. If a substantial order was in the works and ready to sign it might be material, and of course the impending purchase of 30 A350 s to launch international service is material. (OK, I made that one up, but it would be material if it were true).

If it is a change from one type of 737 to another for an existing order, I agree, not material; if it is a new order of aircraft that would likely be material. Since they have a mix of 737-700/800 deliveries from now out to 2018 scheduled - changes would not be surprising. As they say - corporations "consider" all sorts of things all the time, which is a very different thing from actually "planning" or even "pre-planning" an actual transaction. That said, outside of the executive office I put EXTREMELY little confidence in anything any other employee says about any corporate plans.
 
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RE: Rumor:Westjet To Order 737-900

Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:44 pm

Quoting robsaw (Reply 27):
If it is a change from one type of 737 to another for an existing order, I agree, not material; if it is a new order of aircraft that would likely be material.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see a conversion of future orders to the B739ER and as you mentioned,it would not be a new order.

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