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Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:51 am

Saudi Arabian is expecting 20 777-300ER aircraft... The airline's CEO outlined his North American aspirations

He anticipates launching Toronto late 2013 and LAX early 2014

I was expecting another carrier from the Mid East to announce LAX soon, but it definetly wasn't Saudi Arabian. I was expecting an announcement from Qatar or Etihad. Definitely a surprise


http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...north-american-growth-aspirations/
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:53 am

When it was first announced I thought YYZ was starting this summer. Perhaps I remembered wrong.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:56 am

I'm also waiting for either Qatar or Etihad...
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:13 pm

Yes news has been out a couple months.

SV To YYZ And LAX In 2013 And 2014 (by concordeloss Dec 31 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 2):
I'm also waiting for either Qatar or Etihad...

I bet it wont be to long before LAX will see either EY QR or both parked at TBIT.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:49 pm

Will they be using the 3 class 77W to LAX?
And I imagine this flight could be around 15+ hours? correct?
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:06 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
Will they be using the 3 class 77W to LAX?
And I imagine this flight could be around 15+ hours? correct?

Indeed. Only 65nm shorter than DXB-LAX.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:37 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):

Thanks.
I don't know a whole lot about SV or JED but will this be mainly a O&D route?
Why would anyone choose JED as a transfer point as opposed to DXB?
By the way, how many flights a week any ideas?
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:00 pm

I think this is the first connection on Skyteam from US West Coast to MidEast. Not a great connection point but better than nothing maybe?
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:58 pm

Will these flights be launched from JED, RUH, DMM or all?
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:55 pm

Why not IAH? Big surprise though.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):

Probably there is a market. There are tons of Lebanese/Indian/Pakistanese/Syrian in Saudi Arabia who have Canadian passport (they lived there for 3 or 4 years to get the "1st world" passport in order to have more security, and then back to Saudi)... sometimes their parents live in Saudi and they live in Canada and so on, so I assume this generates traffic. Also from my experience dealing with locals, I noticed a good number of Saudis have relatives living in Canada (not hard to understand specially for Saudi women... and Canada has very lax immigration rules compared to the likes of the US... so it is an easy safe haven). And most of them seem to prefer Ontario compared to Western provinces (compared to Asians, for instance).

Also, there are more and more Saudi students in NA (I think now they are the 2nd or 3rd contingent of foreign students in the US!) and I reckon a good number of them also study in Canadian universities.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:12 pm

It's about time Saudia adds another US destination. They are an okay airline to fly with, and I've flown them plenty. Saudia often has LOW fares to the USA.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 1):
When it was first announced I thought YYZ was starting this summer. Perhaps I remembered wrong.

It was earlier announced as Q3 without a specific date. It appears to be now slipping to Q4.

One of the more attractive liveries.
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:52 pm

Very much looking forward to seeing another carrier flying the 777 to LAX! SV has one of my favorite liveries as well.

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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:22 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 4):
I bet it wont be to long before LAX will see either EY QR or both parked at TBIT.

ive been hearing since 2010 that QR and EY were going to fly to LAX and nothing has happened since then, meanwhile EK has come, added two flights a day, and then taken 1 flight off due to 777s being needed elsewhere. Surely QR and EY know the market are there...
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:36 pm

15+ hour flights with no wine or cocktails? No thank you.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:42 pm

Perhaps with all this expansion into the West, the authorities might make TWOV slightly easier (i.e. let transit pax leave the airport for a night or two, rather than being stuck in the deathy boring terminals). Fingers crossed.
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 17):
Perhaps with all this expansion into the West, the authorities might make TWOV slightly easier (i.e. let transit pax leave the airport for a night or two, rather than being stuck in the deathy boring terminals). Fingers crossed.

Don't hold your breath waiting. More realistically, they might add some more amenities inside of the airports for transit passengers...
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:14 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 18):

Actually one of the very few public spaces (other than Western compounds, embassies, etc.) in Saudi where their particular rules (i.e. women covered with the abaya, separation of men and women in cafes, etc.) do not really apply are the airside in airpots (and planes itself), other than the obvious like alcohol.

I guess it wouldn't really be very practical to separate women and men while they are waiting for a plane (specially when you consider that they are going to be mixed inside the plane anyway), it would probably pose some problem with foreign companies to obligue SQ or MH air hostesses to be covered with the abaya until the moment they enter the plane... and at the end of the day those passengers are buying a ticket to a sinful place like Europe, the US, Beirut or Dubai... so why bother if they are going to sin in a few hours anyway  .
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:32 am

Getting off topic for a second, Is it my imagination, but didnt Saudia once fly to Orlando at one time or another?
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 11):
and Canada has very lax immigration rules compared to the likes of the US

You don't know much about Canada, do you....?
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting flaps30 (Reply 20):
Getting off topic for a second, Is it my imagination, but didnt Saudia once fly to Orlando at one time or another?

Correct. Started in 1994 as a seasonal (July-September) tag-on from JFK twice a week using 747-300. Not sure whether it was extended beyond September or whether the seasonal service was repeated after 1994.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...irport-airlines-service-to-orlando

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:10:52]

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:12:30]
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
Why would anyone choose JED as a transfer point as opposed to DXB?

  

Absolutely.....I personally, would never choose JED over DXB, but that's my choice.....I'm guesssing there would be a lot of India and other S.Asia bound passengers who would go for SV if the fares were lower......

Quoting lax777lr (Reply 16):
15+ hour flights with no wine or cocktails? No thank you.

Again, this would be an important factor for some passengers (like me)  smile , but for some others, the fare and only the fare, would matter....

All in all, if it provides more options to S.Asian destinations like India, and helps to even slightly bring down the absolutely ridiculous fares that airlines charge during peak season, I'll be very happy......

[Edited 2013-02-05 17:09:39]
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 23):
Again, this would be an important factor for some passengers (like me) , but for some others, the fare and only the fare, would matter....

Egyptair is a dry airline as well and it is relatively successful with transit passengers.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:49 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 24):
Egyptair is a dry airline as well and it is relatively successful with transit passengers

Thanks....I didn't know that.....but that's exactly what I'm saying....there will be passengers who choose to fly SV irrespective of no alchohol onboard and transiting through RUH or JED.....I never said they won't be successful anywhere in my thread above......
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:53 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 23):
Again, this would be an important factor for some passengers (like me)   , but for some others, the fare and only the fare, would matter....

All in all, if it provides more options to S.Asian destinations like India, and helps to even slightly bring down the absolutely ridiculous fares that airlines charge during peak season, I'll be very happy......

You could always smuggle some booze on the plane  
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:07 am

Quoting Continental (Reply 26):
You could always smuggle some booze on the plane  

And get arrested on landing in JED? No thank you. Not only drinking but also being intoxicated is illegal in KSA, isn't it?
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting Continental (Reply 26):
You could always smuggle some booze on the plane

It would be fairly easy to bring a couple of minatures onboard with you. Having said that, most people can live without booze for a few hours. The inflight catering on SV is actually pretty good.
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 28):
Quoting Continental (Reply 26):
You could always smuggle some booze on the plane

It would be fairly easy to bring a couple of minatures onboard with you. Having said that, most people can live without booze for a few hours. The inflight catering on SV is actually pretty good.

I love a good wine or single malt but if someone can't go on one flight without alcohol it says more about the person than the restrictions of the airline.

I am enjoying all the new liveries that are coming to YYZ. Now if only Cathay will schedule the B748F for spotters and not their cargo requirements all will be well  .

It will be interesting to see how Saudi markets these flights. I have a strong feeling there might be some built up demand for family who are in both countries to more easily visit each other. Indian, Pakistani, and Philippinos for example who are in both countries. There is also a lot of white collar and professional Canadians who work for prescribed periods in Saudi and go back and forth every few months. It is also Canada's second largest export market in the region with lots of room for growth.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:22 pm

Saudia has good fares.Saudi Arabia-USA has always been underserved. I don't think they will have to work at selling th flights.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:19 pm

Does anyone know if Americans or Canadians need a Saudi visa in order to make a connection in Saudi Arabia and you remain "in transit" at the airport?
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RE: Saudi Arabian Announces YYZ And LAX

Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting AirForceAM (Reply 31):
Does anyone know if Americans or Canadians need a Saudi visa in order to make a connection in Saudi Arabia and you remain "in transit" at the airport?

No transit visa required for U.S. or Canadian passports unless the passport contains a stamp for Israel in which case they would probably be refused entry.