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Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Was having a discussion the other day with someone who regularly commutes from the Middle East to Taiwan.

That got me thinking, why isn't there any passenger service by the 'big 3' middle east carriers to TPE?

And come to think of it, why don't BR or CI fly to the Middle East either?

The absence of flights isn't because of political, cross-straits issues is it? There has to be a sizable market for TPE-Middle East service, particularly the potential onward connections to Europe.

Anyone know why and care to elaborate?
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trex8
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:17 pm

CI used to fly to Jeddah and Dhahran in the 80s. There were strong political military ties back then but then the Saudi government started to kow tow to Beijing (and then they got those IRBMs in the late 80s from Beijing). CI had pax Abu Dhabi flights till 2-3 years ago but only cargo now. Traffic just cant support it anymore with all the new ME players.
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:53 pm

The reason must be political. The three big Gulf carriers know that mainland China holds more potential than Taiwan so they don't want to risk upsetting the government in Beijing.
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:05 pm

Strange that not even Emirates have started services there yet! Must be on their radar.
China Air Cargo serve some cargo routes to the middle east from there so there must be some sort of demand
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:23 pm

I think the political issue has gone after Mainland and Taiwan has signed the bilateral contracts. As KLM and JAL can fly to TPE now, there is no longer any political issue.

True, ME carriers are in ME but they heavily depend on connections to EU. But actually the EU-Taiwan market is very limited. Only KLM serves 1xdaily non-stop to TPE. Both CI and BR use BKK as a stop in their flight to EU. Most of the passengers can use HKG, SIN or KUL to transfer, which is often cheaper and more convenient.
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:36 pm

There are massive connection possibilities to get to the mid-east.

I keep hearing that TPE is high on EKs list of future destinations.
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting justinlee (Reply 4):
I think the political issue has gone after Mainland and Taiwan has signed the bilateral contracts. As KLM and JAL can fly to TPE now, there is no longer any political issue.

Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."

I would suggest that someone who is either Chinese (justinlee), or is living in China (myself) is better placed to comment.

Truly, there have been massive increases in direct "cross-straits" flights in recent years, unthinkable five years ago. IMO, it's a significant contributing factor to Cathay Pacific's downturn over the last few years.

China Eastern alone serve thirteen mainland cities, as per this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Taoyuan_International_Airport

I live in Kunshan; 'Little Taiwan' and there are over 100,000 Taiwanese in my city.

On the odd occasion I read something about Taiwan/mainland relationships in the newspaper, it's invariably about more positive relationships.

On an unrelated subject, I first visited Israel in 2000. The experience was miles away from what BBC and CNN had spun to me prior to my travel.

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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:23 am

TPE-Middle East/Africa/Europe/South America isn't a very big market. TPE's O&D is much bigger in markets such as TPE-SFO/LAX/NYC/YVR/SEA etc.
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:34 am

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):
Strange that KLM uses its KLM Asia brand to serve TPE. That would suggest there are still some prickly issues surrounding flights to the "two Chinas."

We have discussed about the issue of KLM before:

What Is The Point Of KLM Asia? (by KaiTak747 Nov 9 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5606996&searchid=5607563&s=KLM+Asia#ID5607563
 
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RE: Why No Middle East-TPE Services?

Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):

China Airlines also served Dubai back then as well as Cairo on the African side.

EVA Air served Dubai from 1990s to 2000 or so, both passenger and cargo flights, cargo service ended in 2011.

Mandarain Airlines served Abu Dhabi, this was later taken over by China Airlines.

Quoting raffik (Reply 3):
China Air Cargo serve some cargo routes to the middle east from there so there must be some sort of demand
CI cargo only serve Abu Dhabi in the region, its their hub.

For those who may not know Emirates cargo currently serve TPE and Saudia cargo did in the past from the 80s upto 2003.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 6):

Indeed strange that KL Asia brand should continue despite reform in China-Taiwan aviation treaty.

[Edited 2013-02-07 10:26:29]