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Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:08 am

Looks like an incident over the Atlantic this past weekend Feb. 3rd involving BA 67 servicing LHR-PHL in which fumes were reported by the cock pit crew which required an immediate landing after the crossing at Goose Bay. Any new information on what caused the fumes and the long delay?

http://avherald.com/h?article=45d588a2

Accident: British Airways B772 over Atlantic on Feb 3rd 2013, first officer incapacitated due to fumes on flight deck
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Feb 6th 2013 18:56Z, last updated Wednesday, Feb 6th 2013 22:15Z

A British Airways Boeing 777-200, registration G-ZZZC performing flight BA-67 from London Heathrow,EN (UK) to Philadelphia,PA (USA) with 158 people on board, was enroute at FL380 over the Atlantic Ocean about 450nm eastnortheast of Goose Bay,NL (Canada) when the crew detected fumes on the flight deck causing eye and throat irritation. About 25 minutes later the first officer became nauseous. Both flight crew donned their oxygen masks, the captain declared PAN and diverted the aircraft to Goose Bay where the aircraft landed safely about 80 minutes after detecting the fumes and about 45 minutes after the first officer became incapacitated.

The Canadian TSB reported that the passengers remained on board of the aircraft until a replacement aircraft arrived. Both flight crew underwent medical examinations with no anomalies found, both flight crew were deemed fit for flying. British Airways maintenance attempted to determine the source of or duplicate the fumes but were unable to do so, the aircraft was returned to service.

A replacement Boeing 777-200 registration G-VIIH departed Goose Bay 10 hours after landing and reached Philadelphia with a delay of 11 hours.

The incident aircraft was ferried to London Heathrow on Feb 6th 2013 as flight BA-9157. A ground observer reported the aircraft prompted an emergency response at Heathrow Airport after touch down on runway 27R when the aircraft veered off the centerline and the crew suspected a tyre had blown on landing. Emergency services checked the right hand main gear before the aircraft taxied to the apron.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130203/1215Z/EGLL/KPHL
 
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:12 am

Has anyone else noticed that these reports always seem to come from BA? Remember a few years back when their 757s had issues with fumes in the cabin?

Are they just the only ones reporting it or are they just really unlucky?
 
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
Has anyone else noticed that these reports always seem to come from BA? Remember a few years back when their 757s had issues with fumes in the cabin?

Those were typical RB211-535C oil fumes issues ......
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:55 pm

Lets not forget either the two BA pilots who have passed away lately bringing fume contamination to the headlines once again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...flight-pictured.html#axzz2KFypzYUS
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:25 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
Those were typical RB211-535C oil fumes issues ......

There were also a number of incidents with the later engined aircraft... I can remember one incident in 2008/2009 with a BA 757 having to make an emergency landing after takeoff from Barcelona due to fumes in the cabin/ cockpit

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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:57 pm

BA has always had this problem on the 757,767 fleet for years.
First it was thought the problem was the mobile jet A oil was being over filled in the engines,getting into the compressor airflow valve which in turn gets into the bleed air system.It initially looks like a blue mist then dissipates quite quick.
Most other operators of the 535E4B on the 757 never really experienced it as much and supposedly used more oil at times than BA.
The 524Gs on the 767 ( and 747) seem to have this problem also but only quite often on the 767s.
 
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:19 am

Quoting gcpet (Reply 4):
There were also a number of incidents with the later engined aircraft... I can remember one incident in 2008/2009 with a BA 757 having to make an emergency landing after takeoff from Barcelona due to fumes in the cabin/ cockpit

Are you saying the RB211-535E4s too.

Quoting shuttle9juliet (Reply 5):
First it was thought the problem was the mobile jet A oil was being over filled in the engines

There was a call out asking maintenance to lower the Oil limit topups on the -C & it worked fine, the -E4 never had any similiar issue.
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:06 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):

Yes as BA only had RB211-535E4s on their 757's since around 2002 due to the 535C engined aircraft being retired.

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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:11 pm

All well and good talking about Rolls Royce Engines.

But G-ZZZC has GE Engines
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:09 pm

Quoting gcpet (Reply 7):
Yes as BA only had RB211-535E4s on their 757's since around 2002 due to the 535C engined aircraft being retired.

Not retired, but sold to DHL.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 8):
G-ZZZC has GE Engines

 
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
Has anyone else noticed that these reports always seem to come from BA? Remember a few years back when their 757s had issues with fumes in the cabin?

I remember some incidents with fumes on flight decks and in the cabin, including emergency landings, of A32Xs from AB and 4U.
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:56 pm

Please remember that fumes in the aircraft do not only come from the engines.
The last two incidents that I have attended were
1. A BA B767 with burning smell in rear galley. One flight attendent taken to hospital!. Traced to one of the Toilet/Galley vent fans which are under the floor near the outflow valve, which had burnt out.
2. An Emirates B777-300ER that diverted here with smoke in the fwd cabin. Traced to the IFE cooling fan which had burnt out.
In both cases the aircraft was dispatched with the offending fan isolated inoperative. (Emirates had no IFE)
I haven't had an engine fume event for many years, not since the BA B757 with C engines left the fleet about 10 years ago.
 
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:10 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 10):
I remember some incidents with fumes on flight decks and in the cabin, including emergency landings, of A32Xs from AB and 4U.

Another incident with a Germania 737.

http://avherald.com/h?article=44a16688&opt=0

First officer partially incapacitated. A blood sample was positive for exposure to tri-ortho-cresyl phosphate.
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 11):
I haven't had an engine fume event for many years, not since the BA B757 with C engines left the fleet about 10 years ago.

Exactly...this was a 535C issue mainly during T/O power......which was controlled by reducing the top limit qty of oil during refilling.
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RE: Incident 2/3: BA #67 LHR-PHL Fumes On Flight Deck

Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:02 pm

Incidently ZZC was parked over at Base today sporting the crest.

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