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Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Emirates seems to be extending its presence into Eastern Europe. Yesterday, EK made its 1st appearance in Poland through the launch of a daily non-stop service to Warsaw. Makes you wonder how much longer LOT Polish is going to have without a partner or buyer and how this new EK service changes the landscape concerning LOT's international aspirations with the 787 out of business? Will this in fact affect efforts by the Polish gov't to get out of the airline business through privatization before it becomes too late to save the airline?

http://www.emirates247.com/business/...debut-in-style-2013-02-07-1.494128
By Staff Published Thursday, February 07, 2013 (Key segments provided from the article - below)

Emirates touched down in Warsaw today, marking the airline’s first scheduled service to Poland and its 129th international destination. Emirates’ daily flight to Warsaw, operated by an Airbus A330-200 aircraft, is the first international service to offer a First Class product in Poland.

The UAE is already the single largest Middle East trading partner of Poland, with trade between the two nations totalling nearly Dh1 billion per year. This new service is expected to further enhance economic links between the UAE and Poland.

“Our commitment to Poland is clear. We are excited to be here and we are here for the long-haul,” said HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Chairman and Chief Executive of Emirates Airline & Group, at a gala dinner hosted to mark Emirate’s Polish debut.

Emirates has become the only international airline to offer first class seats into Warsaw. “With our new service, we are now the only international airline operating First Class into Warsaw, thanks to our Airbus A330-200 wide-bodied aircraft, offering a total of 237 seats to Dubai and beyond each day,” said Sheikh Ahmed.

“Today’s launch is a significant one not only for Emirates, but also for Poland. This new service will enable direct links into Poland, facilitating travel for tourists and traders from East Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Stimulating trade and driving demand for not only our services, but the new destination is an integral part of our growth strategy and we see Warsaw as an important part of this,” said Sheikh Ahmed.

“This is truly an important day and a great honour for Warsaw Chopin Airport to have an Emirates aircraft on our tarmac,” said Michał Marzec, Director of Warsaw Chopin Airport. “Emirates’ presence in the region enhances our airport’s prestige and importance as a regional hub. Passengers from Poland and Central Eastern Europe will benefit from the launch of the direct air services to Dubai as well as convenient onward travel to India, Asia, Australia and Africa.”

The strong bilateral trade relations between the UAE and Poland are evident in the large number of Polish businesses that operate within the UAE. With this new daily direct service from Dubai, trade between the two economies is expected to increase exponentially, aided by a convenient flight schedule and increased consumer awareness.

An enabler for trade, Emirates SkyCargo will offer an average of 210 tonnes of belly-hold capacity per week on the new service. Key exports from Poland include pharmaceuticals, cosmetics and electronic products; while some of the main imports are machinery, sporting goods, medical equipment, electrical equipment and leather products.

Emirates’ flight EK 179, an Airbus A330-200 aircraft, will take off daily from Dubai at 0730hrs and land in Warsaw at 1045hrs – served by a 237 seat Airbus A330-200 in a three-class configuration. The return flight EK180 will depart Warsaw at 1350hrs arriving in Dubai at 2215hrs the same day. Emirates’ daily flight to Warsaw, operated by an Airbus A330-200 aircraft, is the first international service to offer First Class seats in Poland.

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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:51 pm

Hm. Never would have guessed that a non-stop daily Dubai-Warsaw (or UAE-Poland for that matter) would be warranted. You learn something new every day.
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 1):

Hm. Never would have guessed that a non-stop daily Dubai-Warsaw (or UAE-Poland for that matter) would be warranted. You learn something new every day.

Why not? Poland is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. To me it seems like a smart move by EK to add Poland to their network.
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:13 pm

We'll have to see if QR upgrades their current daily A320 to something larger. Poles now have 2 direct daily services to the ME.

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder how much longer LOT Polish is going to have without a partner or buyer and how this new EK service changes the landscape concerning LOT's international aspirations with the 787 out of business?

Well, the only longhual routes LO has at the moment is to the USA and Beijing. I doubt many people are going to fly WAW-DXB-USA, so their main routes should be fine. PEK...well, it's only 3 weekly anyway. I think it should be safe.
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:31 pm

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 1):

Clearly it is primarily based upon connections in DXB.
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting 777klm (Reply 2):
Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 1):

Hm. Never would have guessed that a non-stop daily Dubai-Warsaw (or UAE-Poland for that matter) would be warranted. You learn something new every day.

Why not? Poland is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe

And Poland's population is the 6th largest of the 27 EU member states.
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:53 pm

While not high-yielding traffic, there are large Polish communities in Australia, which EK has covered very well. Now they all have one-stop service to Poland. Basically the EK and to some extent QR flights allow 1-stops from Poland to most of Asia and South Asia without backtracking to FRA or MUC.

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder how much longer LOT Polish is going to have without a partner or buyer and how this new EK service changes the landscape concerning LOT's international aspirations with the 787 out of business? Will this in fact affect efforts by the Polish gov't to get out of the airline business through privatization before it becomes too late to save the airline?
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
Well, the only longhual routes LO has at the moment is to the USA and Beijing. I doubt many people are going to fly WAW-DXB-USA, so their main routes should be fine. PEK...well, it's only 3 weekly anyway. I think it should be safe.

One of LOT's hopes with the 787 was that it would allow it to open new destinations in Asia (likely NRT, SIN, ICN, etc). The EK and QR flights will affect significantly the projected passenger numbers for those flights. So, if LOT survives, where will those 8 787s go? They only need 4-5 787s to serve the current longhaul network (ORD, JFK, YYZ, PEK).
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting Hoya (Reply 6):

One of LOT's hopes with the 787 was that it would allow it to open new destinations in Asia (likely NRT, SIN, ICN, etc). The EK and QR flights will affect significantly the projected passenger numbers for those flights. So, if LOT survives, where will those 8 787s go? They only need 4-5 787s to serve the current longhaul network (ORD, JFK, EK).

Good point....so from an IAH / O&G perspective, what IF...a big if....LO took the remaining 787's and utilized them to start either a charter or premium service business (complete with an option for 7th freedom rights operations out of a neighboring country)? The idea I had in mind would be LO providing a 787 to start an "O&G Shuttle" out of Norway through Aberdeen to IAH assuming SK were not capable or interested in running such a service on their own? It could be a good way to generate a good return on this routing providing a reasonably sufficient cash infusion while in the process of righting or re-inventing itself. Just a thought...likely abit outlandish, but I think LO needs to get creative with its future.

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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:49 pm

What's the break down of WAW - US/ Canada traffic. Would there be any room to add an additional North American destination like YVR so LOT & AC could codeshare US west coast destnations out of Van?
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting Hoya (Reply 6):
While not high-yielding traffic, there are large Polish communities in Australia, which EK has covered very well. Now they all have one-stop service to Poland. Basically the EK and to some extent QR flights allow 1-stops from Poland to most of Asia and South Asia without backtracking to FRA or MUC.

From what I read on Polish sites many flights are completely sold out. EK estimates that 60-70% of traffic will use DXB as a transit point. Do not forget about cargo as well.
Also, there is a lot of business traffic from places like ICN, NRT, KIX that right now do not get full F or J class all the way to WAW and will surely choose EK for that reason alone.
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:56 am

But for Poles, isn't the fastest way to Asia via Moscow on Aeroflot, then on Finnair via Helsinki, then on Turkish Airlines via Istanbul and only then via the Middle Eastern hubs of Doha and Dubai? Why would someone fly all the way to the Persian Gulf to reach places such as Tokyo, Seoul or Hong Kong?

For me Emirates and Qatar make sense if you are flying from Warsaw to India, South-East Asia, Africa or Australia. Or am I missing something?
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:43 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):

You'd be quite surprised by the amount of pax EK pull from China and Japan via DXB and onto Europe! One notable thing about their Dublin service has been the Chinese and Japanese tour groups on board pretty much every flight. It's even taken EK and the Dublin Airport Authority by surprise.
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:26 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 11):

True, but is their cost structure that much lower in comparison to other European carriers that they manage to make a profit? I know that quite often the Persian Gulf carriers can be cheaper than their competitors. Also, what happens in markets which are not premium heavy as I suppose is the case with Athens, Dublin or Warsaw?
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:41 am

Quoting Hoya (Reply 6):
So, if LOT survives, where will those 8 787s go? They only need 4-5 787s to serve the current longhaul network (ORD, JFK, YYZ, PEK).

I have read somewhere that their plan was to utilize 4 787s on their transatlantic network and the rest to Asia.
Time will tell if LO still exists to take all of their 787s...
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):
But for Poles, isn't the fastest way to Asia via Moscow on Aeroflot, then on Finnair via Helsinki, then on Turkish Airlines via Istanbul and only then via the Middle Eastern hubs of Doha and Dubai? Why would someone fly all the way to the Persian Gulf to reach places such as Tokyo, Seoul or Hong Kong?

For me Emirates and Qatar make sense if you are flying from Warsaw to India, South-East Asia, Africa or Australia. Or am I missing something?

If EK offers a lower fare and better service (all widebody service), Poles will choose EK. What's a couple extra hours on such a long journey? You can ask the same question on why Poles would choose to fly WAW-ORD/JFK via MUC/FRA/LHR even though LO offers non-stops - lower fares and better service (many refuse to fly the old 767s).
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting Hoya (Reply 14):

Yes but flying to North America via Germany is not such a detour, so one could understand it. For me, flying to China or Japan via the Persian Gulf is like flying to North America via Istanbul.

Is there a market between Poland and Africa?
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):
But for Poles, isn't the fastest way to Asia via Moscow on Aeroflot, then on Finnair via Helsinki, then on Turkish Airlines via Istanbul and only then via the Middle Eastern hubs of Doha and Dubai? Why would someone fly all the way to the Persian Gulf to reach places such as Tokyo, Seoul or Hong Kong?

For me Emirates and Qatar make sense if you are flying from Warsaw to India, South-East Asia, Africa or Australia. Or am I missing something?

The same way many people in Germany, France or the UK do the same even if they have far more direct services to those destions (which Poland has none but PEK a few times a week) and more chances to connect in Western Europe without backtracking.
 
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RE: Emirates Makes Polish Debut In Warsaw

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:25 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 16):

Yes but that is why I asked earlier today how profitable are these flights from areas which are not premium heavy. It is easy for the Persian Gulf carriers to sell discounted flights in economy class from Germany, Britain or France when they know Business and First class are going to sell well. I guess cargo will help.