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ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:22 am

Flight Global on 4 Feb reported that ANA have asked Boeing to accelerate deliveies of the remaining 3 77E's on order, with the continuing 787 grounding costing them dearly in cancelled domestic routes.
JA743A is scheduled for April, JA744A for later this year and JA745A was not due until next year.
Presumably 743A will be in final assembly by now, but I'm wondering how easy a task it is to change round production of the 777's to accommodate such requests.
Maybe QR will ask for earlier remaining 77W delivery slots now as well.
 
Carpethead
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:47 pm

Since they are 772ERs, maybe they will be reconfigured for int'l operations.
Still they are short 17 widebody aircraft due to the grounding.
I am still surprised that they haven't entered into some dry or wet-lease deal for 738 and/or A320.
Widebody lift on short notice is pretty rare and next to impossible to arrange for a premium carrier like ANA.
 
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:58 pm

Here is one of those rare 772ER's arriving for paint last year. It does look odd with those Pratts so used to seeing it with the GE's

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...ippon/Boeing-777-281-ER/2106851/L/
 
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:39 pm

Things can get changed. With about 6 months of notice, the production order can be changed. The later it is changed, the higher costs involved. Getting the PW engines early would be a big roadblock, but it is possible that for the right price that it can happen.

There are a few 777-200ER slots out there for Asiana and ANA. For an extra special customer like ANA, things can be done. Expediting fees can be made to suppliers. Other airlines are willing to trade slots. It’s virtually impossible for a new customer to get expedited delivery slots, but for an existing customer with the supply chain already setup for all the customer options, it can happen for the right price.

Trading slots around when high production is in demand is rare. However when there is a recession and financial credit crunch, airplanes get swapped all the time. In 2009 & 2010, customers were struggling to get financing and airlines were paying fees to push back deliveries. There was a lot of shuffling that happened.
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Burkhard
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:21 pm

And I assume Boeings tries everything possible to make ANA happy with this...
 
nethkt
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:09 am

But don't you think 787s will be back flying anytime soon? Or no hope?
Is it just a precaution that ANA wants to have the 77Es earlier, just in case?
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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RE: ANA Want Earlier Remaining 77E Deliveries.

Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:15 am

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
But don't you think 787s will be back flying anytime soon? Or no hope?

I don't think they will be back in service soon. The meaning of 'soon' is quite ambiguous at this time.
One or two months, maybe six months; we will have to see what the investigation finds out and what the countermeasures are, but there is hope.
The only remaining outstanding orders for widebody jets other than 787s are the three 772ERs.
Hence, both ANA & JAL have yet to announce next year's int'l plans.