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AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:33 am

Dear All,

in order to consolidate the AA/US merger threads (and after input from users, which we highly appreciate) the moderators decided to start separate threads each discussing one aspect of the AA/US merger and its impact to both the industry and the two airlines involved.

Please continue discussing this hot news in their individual official threads:

AA/US Merger Impact: Fleet
AA/US Merger Impact: Hubs
AA/US Merger Impact: Employees
AA/US Merger Impact: HQ
A/US Merger Impact: Livery
AA/US Merger Impact: Unions (THIS THREAD ONLY)
AA/US Merger Impact: Routes
AA/US Merger Impact: Inflight Service

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Bobloblaw
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:56 pm

I would expect the merger guarantees the CWA will win a union vote at AA for agents
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:25 pm

APA is almost certainly going to be the union representing the Pilots as USAPA has no love lost with ALPA either and they like an inhouse union.

TWU represents the dispatchers at both carriers, so they will be around. TWU also represents the AA mechanics, I am not sure who represents US mechanics but i think it could be AMFA.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
I am not sure who represents US mechanics but i think it could be AMFA.

That would be the IAM, who also represents fleet.

I would expect both workgroups to be TWU post-merger.
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:17 pm

Fellow Pilots,
Today, your union ratified the MOU with 75% of the members voting to approve the agreement.
This is an historic vote. Should the merger of American Airlines and US Airways occur, your endorsement of this MOU now establishes a clear path forward for the pilots of US Airways, highlighted with $1.6 billion in economic improvements for you over the next six years. Of no less importance, your ratification also insures that your union will arrive at the merger as equal partners with APA in pay, benefits and working conditions – which is of paramount importance during any integration process.
Ten months ago when this process began, USAPA was relegated to the sidelines and ignored. Your union adopted an aggressive strategy and began working with other unions at US Airways to establish the Union Labor Coalition. We used an assertive communications and media approach, consulted with experts in mergers, visited Capitol Hill frequently, filed a legal motion in the American Airlines bankruptcy hearing and made our voice heard. As a result, your union was an equal participant in five-party negotiations that included the management of the two airlines, APA, USAPA and the UCC.
Perhaps most importantly, we learned how to work together, East and West, North and South, and with the leadership at APA. Our BPR, Negotiating Committee and Officers came together with one goal in mind – to achieve the best deal possible in a merger scenario for you and your families.
In the past, US Airways management has refused serious standalone negotiations with your union until seniority integration was resolved. Since management put that argument aside in the MOU negotiations, they can no longer use it as an excuse should the merger not occur.
The next step is finding out whether there will be a merger with American Airlines in bankruptcy. We expect that answer soon. If so, we will begin further negotiations with the parties to the MOU regarding the JCBA and finally, seniority integration.
Regards,

Gary Hummel
USAPA President
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:12 pm

It is sad to say, but when the dust settles, you're going to have three groups (among pilots): the AA guys (who'll be dominant), and the US East and West guys, who'll continue to bicker and brawl over seniority.

The only way it gets completely done is if the AA contingent use their numeric advantage to push through a deal - and I bet it works out to an AA guys win scenario in any event.

US pilots will get a great deal more money, but no more love, than before. AA pilots will learn, to their shock and dismay, that they are not measurably better-off post merger than they were before; and if new management takes over, they'll still fight 'em.
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
The only way it gets completely done is if the AA contingent use their numeric advantage to push through a deal - and I bet it works out to an AA guys win scenario in any event.

US pilots will get a great deal more money, but no more love, than before. AA pilots will learn, to their shock and dismay, that they are not measurably better-off post merger than they were before; and if new management takes over, they'll still fight 'em.

It's not going to be like AA's purchase of TWA, where every TWA pilot was junior to the newest AA pilot. But, I could see AA pilots coming up with a seniority list that puts AA pilots in a better position than US pilots, and simply merges the US-East and US-West pilots, based on hire dates.

So, when you start having AA captains flying with US F/Os, and vice versa, you could have some interesting conversations in the cockpits and in the ops. office.

I also think Doug Parker is going to be shocked, the first time he does something that doesn't sit well with AA employees, and the union leadership starts bad mouthing him the way they bad mouthed Crandall, Carty, Arpey, and Horton.
 
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:18 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
It's not going to be like AA's purchase of TWA, where every TWA pilot was junior to the newest AA pilot.

No question about it. TWA was a bundle of assets, no longer financially viable on its own. US is a sound carrier.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
But, I could see AA pilots coming up with a seniority list that puts AA pilots in a better position than US pilots, and simply merges the US-East and US-West pilots, based on hire dates.

I could see that, too...

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
So, when you start having AA captains flying with US F/Os, and vice versa, you could have some interesting conversations in the cockpits and in the ops. office.

...which might be Doug's real goal, here; have APA do for US what they have thus far failed to do themselves. I am very concerned that it could end up sticking the old HP folks the worst.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
I also think Doug Parker is going to be shocked, the first time he does something that doesn't sit well with AA employees, and the union leadership starts bad mouthing him the way they bad mouthed Crandall, Carty, Arpey, and Horton.

Yep.
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RE: AA/US Merger Impact: Unions

Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
where every TWA pilot was junior to the newest AA pilot.

Didn't happen that way, and the facts are there for all to see. There are TWA pilots still flying, and some AA on furlough. That scenario coudn't exist under the asserted circumstances.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
I could see AA pilots coming up with a seniority list that puts AA pilots in a better position than US pilots,

Won't, and can't happen. The McCaskill/Bond legislation (ironically a result of TWA/AA merger) will play a large part in how this SLI goes. This may force a resolution to the HP/US SLI that has tarnished the profession, lowered pilot pay, and deminished the definition of "Binding Arbitration".
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